rialb said:

hhhhdmt said:

i really do think its that simple. Most songwriters are at their peak at their age

And apart from the four songs that i did mention, what other notable song did wendy and lisa co write with p? None

Didn't Lisa write "Power Fantastic?" I know she wasn't given credit but I believe there was a fan Q & A and one of the questions was about that song and she said she wrote it.

I don't think it's just about how many songs they co-wrote with him, I think it has more to do with exposing him to different kinds of music and encouraging him to try different things. I do think that their influence is overstated and without them Prince would have been fine but I also think that once they left we lost out on some fantastic music that would have been created.

Yes, Power Fantastic is based on an instrumental by Lisa titled Carnival.

The impact Lisa and Wendy had on his writing is blatantly obvious when you listen to the music. Parade and Lovesexy are 2 years apart, chronologically, but they are leagues different.

Spinlight said:

Parade and Lovesexy are 2 years apart, chronologically, but they are leagues different.

Damn. Brought it home right there.

hhhhdmt said:

OH Please, i like the revolution but wendy and lisas influence is vastly overstatted. They co-wrote 4 good tracks with him, Computer Blue, Mountains, 17 days, and SISIA. Thats it, the rest was all Prince, plain and simple as that Wendy and Lisa may be good writers but they are nowhere near Prince's caliber when it comes to writing a song. Thats why Prince has written 99 percent of his best stuff by himself As far as Prince best stuff being with them, most writers are at their peak in their 20's. That is the age when most songwriters are at their best and it just so happened that Prince was at his best at that age. He had written so many good songs, his decline in songwriting was bound to happen.

[Edited 4/5/11 20:50pm]

Lisa colaborated with Prince a lot more since she joined the band via Dirty Mind

Lisa & Wendy together colaborated with Prince on a good number of songs more than you mentioned.

Prince played Power Fantastic during the ONA era, Lisa Coleman created that piece Prince added lyrics, that's something that happened a lot

the decline you talk about can be true, but when you have people like Wendy Lisa Eric. the Revolution Jill it would/could/can help keep that decline from happening to a later period.

Even Eric Leeds acknowledged some of the best stuff they ever did was with Wendy & Lisa (I think that says more than 4 songs)

Everyone in the camp was bewildered by that move.

What we hear after the break was Prince still riding the creative ways of the previous period (can't even really count SOTT & Black Album cause a lot of that was written during the Dream Factory era) Lovesexy/Batman/Graffiti Bridge(most of the best songs from this album written during the 1982-1986 period) had some good songs that feel into a common Prince vibe of previous albums, but we do see a decline in output and quality starting to take place.

jaawwnn said:

I wonder would Prince be interested in scoring TV shows? If he was jealous of anything it could be that kind of career.

Wendy & Lisa weren't guaranteed to be famous on their own but they're in a very select group of people who worked with Prince who were able to capitalise on their fame to launch their own careers. It's possible (albeit unlikely!) to have a W&L interview without mentioning Prince, the same cannot be said for most of the other people who worked with him.

I don't think he was jealous either. I do think he might have felt betrayed when Wendy got upset with him for fining her for drinking a beer. I don't think it was a 'business' decision, nor was it a good one if he says it was. I think it was personal somehow, and it's interesting that after that Susannah was still in a relationship with him and left a bit later.

In This Bed I Scream speaks volumes to Prince's connection with W & L

In This Bed I Scream

2 these walls I talk
Tellin' 'em what I wasn't strong enough 2 say
2 these walls I talk
Tellin' 'em how I cried the day U went away

How do we ever lose communication?
How do we ever lose each other's sound?
Baby, if U wanna, we can fix the situation
Maybe we can stop the rain from coming down

Yeah

In this bed I scream
Lonely nights I lay awake thinking of U
And if I'm cursed with a dream
A thousand times I feel whatever I've put U through

Tell me, how're we gonna put this back 2gether?
How're we gonna think with the same mind?
Knowing all along that life is so much better
Living and loving 2gether all the time

Living and loving

In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream

In this car I drive
I'm looking 4 the road that leads back 2 the soul we shared
With my very life
I'd gladly be the body upon the cross we bear (Cross we bear)

How do we ever lose communication? (How did we?)
How do we ever lose each other's sound? (I don't know)
Baby, if U wanna, we can fix the situation
Maybe we can stop the rain from coming down

Maybe we can't, maybe we can
Stop the rain, stop the rain

In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream
I scream

In this bed I scream

jaawwnn said:

I wonder would Prince be interested in scoring TV shows? If he was jealous of anything it could be that kind of career.

Wendy & Lisa weren't guaranteed to be famous on their own but they're in a very select group of people who worked with Prince who were able to capitalise on their fame to launch their own careers.

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It doesn't seem quite right to put it that way. They've said that, for a time, they really struggled to keep their careers afloat and to get work after the Revolution. I think we shouldn't underestimate the significance of sexism in the entertainment industry.

strmn said:

jaawwnn said:

I wonder would Prince be interested in scoring TV shows? If he was jealous of anything it could be that kind of career.

Wendy & Lisa weren't guaranteed to be famous on their own but they're in a very select group of people who worked with Prince who were able to capitalise on their fame to launch their own careers.

[Edited 4/6/11 4:31am]

It doesn't seem quite right to put it that way. They've said that, for a time, they really struggled to keep their careers afloat and to get work after the Revolution. I think we shouldn't underestimate the significance of sexism in the entertainment industry.

Right, and they have also said the industry wanted them to be marketed as 'Prince girls' still

strmn said:

jaawwnn said:

I wonder would Prince be interested in scoring TV shows? If he was jealous of anything it could be that kind of career.

Wendy & Lisa weren't guaranteed to be famous on their own but they're in a very select group of people who worked with Prince who were able to capitalise on their fame to launch their own careers.

[Edited 4/6/11 4:31am]

It doesn't seem quite right to put it that way. They've said that, for a time, they really struggled to keep their careers afloat and to get work after the Revolution. I think we shouldn't underestimate the significance of sexism in the entertainment industry.

true, true. I meant it as a compliment though. He probably tainted them as well but... well, what can you do.

I don't think it was a jealousy issue, but a control issue.

So I agree with StonedImmaculate's post...

I don't think he was jealous of W&L's contributions,

they just weren't his ideas and he wants his output

to come from him.

I think it is funny (and kinda immature) that one of

Prince's standard statements during the

Welcome2America shows has been that whenever

he performs a song that he wrote but was recorded

by one of his associated bands, Prince will say:

"Who wrote this?!?"

Prince wants his credit!

Another one-liner that he's been throwing out at the W2A

shows that makes me

"I got so many hits, I'll be here all night!"

OldFriends4Sale said:

hhhhdmt said:

OH Please, i like the revolution but wendy and lisas influence is vastly overstatted. They co-wrote 4 good tracks with him, Computer Blue, Mountains, 17 days, and SISIA. Thats it, the rest was all Prince, plain and simple as that Wendy and Lisa may be good writers but they are nowhere near Prince's caliber when it comes to writing a song. Thats why Prince has written 99 percent of his best stuff by himself As far as Prince best stuff being with them, most writers are at their peak in their 20's. That is the age when most songwriters are at their best and it just so happened that Prince was at his best at that age. He had written so many good songs, his decline in songwriting was bound to happen.

[Edited 4/5/11 20:50pm]

Lisa colaborated with Prince a lot more since she joined the band via Dirty Mind

Lisa & Wendy together colaborated with Prince on a good number of songs more than you mentioned.

Prince played Power Fantastic during the ONA era, Lisa Coleman created that piece Prince added lyrics, that's something that happened a lot

the decline you talk about can be true, but when you have people like Wendy Lisa Eric. the Revolution Jill it would/could/can help keep that decline from happening to a later period.

Even Eric Leeds acknowledged some of the best stuff they ever did was with Wendy & Lisa (I think that says more than 4 songs)

Everyone in the camp was bewildered by that move.

What we hear after the break was Prince still riding the creative ways of the previous period (can't even really count SOTT & Black Album cause a lot of that was written during the Dream Factory era) Lovesexy/Batman/Graffiti Bridge(most of the best songs from this album written during the 1982-1986 period) had some good songs that feel into a common Prince vibe of previous albums, but we do see a decline in output and quality starting to take place.

Oh, come on! You can't possibly know that.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

motherfunka said:

LMAO! Wendy and Lisa released several albums and came nowhere near the success of Prince. Not bashing W&L, but they weren't even a one hit wonder. Everyone knows what you hear on those albums are almost entirely Prince.

LMAO!

Really? Then why exactly is it...that Prince has NEVER...since..."came nowhere near the success of Prince"...when "Wendy & Lisa were Hired musicians there to play what prince wanted them to play"?

Really? Diamonds and Pearls and combined sold more than Around The World In A Day and Parade combined.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Lisa colaborated with Prince a lot more since she joined the band via Dirty Mind

Lisa & Wendy together colaborated with Prince on a good number of songs more than you mentioned.

Prince played Power Fantastic during the ONA era, Lisa Coleman created that piece Prince added lyrics, that's something that happened a lot

the decline you talk about can be true, but when you have people like Wendy Lisa Eric. the Revolution Jill it would/could/can help keep that decline from happening to a later period.

Even Eric Leeds acknowledged some of the best stuff they ever did was with Wendy & Lisa (I think that says more than 4 songs)

Everyone in the camp was bewildered by that move.

What we hear after the break was Prince still riding the creative ways of the previous period (can't even really count SOTT & Black Album cause a lot of that was written during the Dream Factory era) Lovesexy/Batman/Graffiti Bridge(most of the best songs from this album written during the 1982-1986 period) had some good songs that feel into a common Prince vibe of previous albums, but we do see a decline in output and quality starting to take place.

I've rarely read so much bullshit in a single post. The equation Prince's success = Wendy & Lisa is plain stupid. They contributed to his success. They are not the main reason. The reason is an overgifted young man in his twenties at the peak of his creativity. Moreover don't forget Sheila E, Doctor Fink, Sonny T, Michael B and many others.

You're talking about decline. But to me, it is wrong. It is mainly a commercial decline. There are amazing albums that have been released afterwards : SOTT, Lovesexy, TGE, The Undertaker, The Truth, The Rainbow Children, One Nite Alone, Lotus Flower (the cd not the whole thing).

When Prince kicked their asses out, according to you, they should have released amazing stuff, masterpieces but no... some decent albums, some interesting stuff sometimes but nothing groundbreaking, nothing great, no big success. Sorry these two girls are both good musicians but they are not the geniuses you would like them to be.

Moreover the amazing performer playing the guitar, the bass, the keys on stage like a madman is neither Wendy nor Lisa. The guy who played the best gig I have ever witnessed in my life at Le New Morning was neither Wendy nor Lisa. It was PRINCE.

I'm personally happy The Revolution is over. I prefer John B to Bobby Z. I prefer Prince alone on the guitar to Wendy struggling with funk riffs. And I prefer Neto's latin touch to Lisa. In fact Prince is a much better musician nowadays and his entourage is more skilled and professional.

[Edited 4/6/11 9:36am]

ohYeeeeeah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Lisa colaborated with Prince a lot more since she joined the band via Dirty Mind

Lisa & Wendy together colaborated with Prince on a good number of songs more than you mentioned.

Prince played Power Fantastic during the ONA era, Lisa Coleman created that piece Prince added lyrics, that's something that happened a lot

the decline you talk about can be true, but when you have people like Wendy Lisa Eric. the Revolution Jill it would/could/can help keep that decline from happening to a later period.

Even Eric Leeds acknowledged some of the best stuff they ever did was with Wendy & Lisa (I think that says more than 4 songs)

Everyone in the camp was bewildered by that move.

What we hear after the break was Prince still riding the creative ways of the previous period (can't even really count SOTT & Black Album cause a lot of that was written during the Dream Factory era) Lovesexy/Batman/Graffiti Bridge(most of the best songs from this album written during the 1982-1986 period) had some good songs that feel into a common Prince vibe of previous albums, but we do see a decline in output and quality starting to take place.

I've rarely read so much bullshit in a single post. The equation Prince's success = Wendy & Lisa is plain stupid. They contributed to his success. They are not the main reason. The reason is an overgifted young man in his twenties at the peak of his creativity. Moreover don't forget Sheila E, Doctor Fink, Sonny T, Michael B and many others.

You're talking about decline. But to me, it is wrong. It is mainly a commercial decline. There are amazing albums that have been released afterwards : SOTT, Lovesexy, TGE, The Undertaker, The Truth, The Rainbow Children, One Nite Alone, Lotus Flower (the cd not the whole thing).

When Prince kicked their asses out, according to you, they should have released amazing stuff, masterpieces but no... some decent albums, some interesting stuff sometimes but nothing groundbreaking, nothing great, no big success. Sorry these two girls are both good musicians but they are not the geniuses you would like them to be.

Moreover the amazing performer playing the guitar, the bass, the keys on stage like a madman is neither Wendy nor Lisa. The guy who played the best gig I have ever witnessed in my life at Le New Morning was neither Wendy nor Lisa. It was PRINCE.

I'm personally happy The Revolution is over. I prefer John B to Bobby Z. I prefer Prince alone on the guitar to Wendy struggling with funk riffs. And I prefer Neto's latin touch to Lisa. In fact Prince is a much better musician nowadays and his entourage is more skilled and professional.

[Edited 4/6/11 9:36am]

No offense but this is a little to harsh. Oldfriends4sale is a good polite poster and we can discuss stuff without being this harsh

Personally i really like the revolution and prefer them to NPG. I give the revolution alot of credit for co writing 4 of prince's best songs. And i am sure they had an impact on his sound. I would love a revolution reunion.

Still i think prince has written most of his best stuff himself. I am glad the revolution had an impact on him in making great albums like PR and Parade. However i do not believe that prince was "jealous" of wendy and lisa.

[Edited 4/6/11 9:51am]

motherfunka said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

LMAO!

Really? Then why exactly is it...that Prince has NEVER...since..."came nowhere near the success of Prince"...when "Wendy & Lisa were Hired musicians there to play what prince wanted them to play"?

Really? Diamonds and Pearls and combined sold more than Around The World In A Day and Parade combined.

So? Purple Rain sold more than all 4 of them combined...and?

ohYeeeeeah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Lisa colaborated with Prince a lot more since she joined the band via Dirty Mind

Lisa & Wendy together colaborated with Prince on a good number of songs more than you mentioned.

Prince played Power Fantastic during the ONA era, Lisa Coleman created that piece Prince added lyrics, that's something that happened a lot

the decline you talk about can be true, but when you have people like Wendy Lisa Eric. the Revolution Jill it would/could/can help keep that decline from happening to a later period.

Even Eric Leeds acknowledged some of the best stuff they ever did was with Wendy & Lisa (I think that says more than 4 songs)

Everyone in the camp was bewildered by that move.

What we hear after the break was Prince still riding the creative ways of the previous period (can't even really count SOTT & Black Album cause a lot of that was written during the Dream Factory era) Lovesexy/Batman/Graffiti Bridge(most of the best songs from this album written during the 1982-1986 period) had some good songs that feel into a common Prince vibe of previous albums, but we do see a decline in output and quality starting to take place.

I've rarely read so much bullshit in a single post. The equation Prince's success = Wendy & Lisa is plain stupid. They contributed to his success. They are not the main reason. The reason is an overgifted young man in his twenties at the peak of his creativity. Moreover don't forget Sheila E, Doctor Fink, Sonny T, Michael B and many others.

You're talking about decline. But to me, it is wrong. It is mainly a commercial decline. There are amazing albums that have been released afterwards : SOTT, Lovesexy, TGE, The Undertaker, The Truth, The Rainbow Children, One Nite Alone, Lotus Flower (the cd not the whole thing).

When Prince kicked their asses out, according to you, they should have released amazing stuff, masterpieces but no... some decent albums, some interesting stuff sometimes but nothing groundbreaking, nothing great, no big success. Sorry these two girls are both good musicians but they are not the geniuses you would like them to be.

Moreover the amazing performer playing the guitar, the bass, the keys on stage like a madman is neither Wendy nor Lisa. The guy who played the best gig I have ever witnessed in my life at Le New Morning was neither Wendy nor Lisa. It was PRINCE.

I'm personally happy The Revolution is over. I prefer John B to Bobby Z. I prefer Prince alone on the guitar to Wendy struggling with funk riffs. And I prefer Neto's latin touch to Lisa. In fact Prince is a much better musician nowadays and his entourage is more skilled and professional.

[Edited 4/6/11 9:36am]

1.) I actually shouldn't be responding to your post. Should I expect name calling next?

2.) No where did I ever equate Prince being successful because of Wendy & Lisa

3.) I never said they are the main reason Prince is successful

4.) Your obviously over reacting and acting emotionly. You say 'what about Sheila E & Matt Fink' etc, I could have listed more people but in the bolded statement (U didn't read that?) I mention more people than Wendy & Lisa... I can add the Time Vanity Susannah too

5.) I responded to the person who said Prince went into a decline as far as the music output is concerned. And he did. Please don't tell me u can compare any of his later musical outputs to the the 1983-1986 years

6.) I never said he made no good albums afterwards Diamonds & Pearls had a good commercial success but it was just that commercial. I love Rainbow Children ONA time period and music. I also love 20Ten but from most of the other albums mostly sprinkles of songs

7.) Where according to me did I say should they have released amazing albums? a) they were pigeonholed as Prince girls, b) the Prince/W&L/Revolution/1980's proteges combination was spectacular that's where they should have been

8.) You're reacting to me like someone who is having a fit

[Edited 4/6/11 10:25am]

SagsWay2low said:

Of course he was. They had vaginas and he didn't.

Nonsense

ohYeeeeeah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Lisa colaborated with Prince a lot more since she joined the band via Dirty Mind

Lisa & Wendy together colaborated with Prince on a good number of songs more than you mentioned.

Prince played Power Fantastic during the ONA era, Lisa Coleman created that piece Prince added lyrics, that's something that happened a lot

the decline you talk about can be true, but when you have people like Wendy Lisa Eric. the Revolution Jill it would/could/can help keep that decline from happening to a later period.

Even Eric Leeds acknowledged some of the best stuff they ever did was with Wendy & Lisa (I think that says more than 4 songs)

Everyone in the camp was bewildered by that move.

What we hear after the break was Prince still riding the creative ways of the previous period (can't even really count SOTT & Black Album cause a lot of that was written during the Dream Factory era) Lovesexy/Batman/Graffiti Bridge(most of the best songs from this album written during the 1982-1986 period) had some good songs that feel into a common Prince vibe of previous albums, but we do see a decline in output and quality starting to take place.

I've rarely read so much bullshit in a single post. The equation Prince's success = Wendy & Lisa is plain stupid. They contributed to his success. They are not the main reason. The reason is an overgifted young man in his twenties at the peak of his creativity. Moreover don't forget Sheila E, Doctor Fink, Sonny T, Michael B and many others.

You're talking about decline. But to me, it is wrong. It is mainly a commercial decline. There are amazing albums that have been released afterwards : SOTT, Lovesexy, TGE, The Undertaker, The Truth, The Rainbow Children, One Nite Alone, Lotus Flower (the cd not the whole thing).

When Prince kicked their asses out, according to you, they should have released amazing stuff, masterpieces but no... some decent albums, some interesting stuff sometimes but nothing groundbreaking, nothing great, no big success. Sorry these two girls are both good musicians but they are not the geniuses you would like them to be.

Moreover the amazing performer playing the guitar, the bass, the keys on stage like a madman is neither Wendy nor Lisa. The guy who played the best gig I have ever witnessed in my life at Le New Morning was neither Wendy nor Lisa. It was PRINCE.

I'm personally happy The Revolution is over. I prefer John B to Bobby Z. I prefer Prince alone on the guitar to Wendy struggling with funk riffs. And I prefer Neto's latin touch to Lisa. In fact Prince is a much better musician nowadays and his entourage is more skilled and professional.

[Edited 4/6/11 9:36am]

Skill and professionalism are vastly overrated. I'll take feel over those two every single time. They tend to lead to very polished and boring music. That's one of the reasons why I don't believe that Prince has been very successful when he has attempted to play rock music.

Here's an example, look at the Rolling Stones. For the last 25+ years they have toured with very skilled and professional side musicians (keyboard players, horn sections, backing singers) but would you rather see the Stones of today or the Stones circa the late '60s/early '70s? It is imporrtant for musicians to be able to play their instruments but it's not the most important thing.

*sigh*

Its simple as this. Purple Rain, great album. Around The World in a Day. Great album. Parade, pretty average. Before and after Prince has done plenty of high quality albums, some being better than Revolution Era.

The only thing that Revolution Era tops is live performance. I like how with them Prince still looked like a rock/alternative/punk/new wave artist. After than he went much more designer, formal and his shows were more stadium pop rather than that club feel.

Although i am rather fond of Lovesexy era imagery, especially the black and white clothing. The in the round live show was epic even if it was absolutely over the top.

Maytiana said:

I really think so. His career peaked with them and they were a great contribution. According to interviews he fired them because they were contributing too much, but I think it's also because W&L would have become really famous because of him and probably pass him in success.

sources?...actual quotes?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

motherfunka said:

Really? Diamonds and Pearls and combined sold more than Around The World In A Day and Parade combined.

So? Purple Rain sold more than all 4 of them combined...and?

You're the one that said Prince has NEVER come close to the success with Wendy and Lisa. Well Wendy and Lisa "supposedly" had a huge influence on those 2 albums and they had nothing to do with D&P and , which sold better. So in conclusion, he not only came close...he surpassed the success of those 2 albums without them!

BlackAdder7 said:

Maytiana said:

I really think so. His career peaked with them and they were a great contribution. According to interviews he fired them because they were contributing too much, but I think it's also because W&L would have become really famous because of him and probably pass him in success.

sources?...actual quotes?

According to DMSR (Per Nilsen), Prince fired Wendy and Lisa following the Parade tour because they had quit the band before the tour even started. Prince asked them to stay through the tour and they agreed.

There were a lot of factors mentioned as reasons for them quitting in the first place, but not that "they were contributing too much." (Isn't that something Prince would have had control over, anyway?)

Genesia said:

BlackAdder7 said:

sources?...actual quotes?

According to DMSR (Per Nilsen), Prince fired Wendy and Lisa following the Parade tour because they had quit the band before the tour even started. Prince asked them to stay through the tour and they agreed.

There were a lot of factors mentioned as reasons for them quitting in the first place, but not that "they were contributing too much." (Isn't that something Prince would have had control over, anyway?)

my point, articulated much more weller.

motherfunka said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

So? Purple Rain sold more than all 4 of them combined...and?

You're the one that said Prince has NEVER come close to the success with Wendy and Lisa. Well Wendy and Lisa "supposedly" had a huge influence on those 2 albums and they had nothing to do with D&P and , which sold better. So in conclusion, he not only came close...he surpassed the success of those 2 albums without them!

They had just as much influence with Purple Rain & SOTT music too

also Prince made Diamonds & Pearls for the purpose of commercialism to try to make back some money lost during the Lovesexy tour and other thing

Around the World in a Day was made according 2 Prince a F U to the 'music' industry... ATWIAD & Parade followed Prince need for artistic creation & freedom...

Parade would have sold much better if the movie did better...

* Overall, the album was not as radio-friendly as 1999 or Purple Rain,
but it still had two U.S. top 10 hits,
went double platinum and was an important step in Prince's musical evolution, incorporating new instruments and musical styles.

THE ELECTRIFYING MOJO (1986)
-----

On the eve of his birthday in 1986, Prince gave a surprise interview to legendary Detroit disc jockey the Electrifying Mojo. He had never offered a live radio interview before. Of the experience, Mojo later said:

"I had no idea he was going to call. I had no list of questions or anything like that. First I talked to Billy Sparks and he said, 'Hey Mojo! Prince wants to talk to you. You got a minute?' I said, 'Do I have a minute? Give me a minute to make sure we have a tape on,' and Prince says, 'Hey Mojo! What's happening? This is Prince.' If I hadn't heard Billy Sparks' voice prior to that, I may have said, 'Yeah, right.'"

The following is the text of the spoken interview, as transcribed by Rose Gardner on the Emancipation mailing list.


MOJO: Let's talk about the album, Around The World In A Day... which I think was one of the greatest albums.

PRINCE: My favorite!

MOJO: It's absolutely my favorite, without question. Tunes like "Around The World In A Day," "Paisley Park." What type of mood were you in when you recorded that album?

PRINCE: Yeah, I sorta had an f-you attitude, meaning that I was making something for myself and my fans. And the people who supported me through the years -- I wanted to give them something and it was like my mental letter.

And those people are the ones who wrote me back, telling me that they felt what I was feeling. Record sales and things like that...it really doesn't matter, ya know. It keeps a roof over your head, and keeps money in all these folks' pockets that I got hangin' around here! (laughs) It basically stems from the music, and I'm just hoping that people understand that money is one thing but soul is another. That's all we're really trying to do, you know? Idon't know.

I wouldn't mind if I just went broke, you know, 'cuz as long as I can play this type of thing and come here, ya know. There were a lot of people there tonight and they turned the lights on and I looked up...it brings tears to your eyes because it's just -- you can feel the love in the room, ya know? And that means more than money. I could just go on for hours...I don't know, I just have fun, and I'm thankful to be alive, ya know?

Maytiana said:

I really think so. His career peaked with them and they were a great contribution. According to interviews he fired them because they were contributing too much, but I think it's also because W&L would have become really famous because of him and probably pass him in success.

Nope, I would not agree with you on this Maytiana. W&L work is good but, from my point of view there's not one album or 'song' for that matter that is BETTER then any of the works he's done with them and without him, this being based on my point of view only. You cannot take away from them the success they've had. I think they would have been successful even if they never recorded one track with Prince.

What people fail to understand is Prince started out as a single musician.At the age of 19 or 20 he signed he his first record deal and that was with out wendy and lisa and the rest of The "Revolution".

He did not sign his first record deal as a band member or part of a band.

People dont understand Prince is a one man performer; he always was and he always will be just that.

As some one mentioned earlier all of his band mates- The Revolution,NPG, and etc... are just hired help. With that in mind, It will always be a revolving door of Musicians in and out of Prince's Musical career.

HMMM I am wondering who he's going to have working on his next CD LOL?

OldFriends4Sale said:

also Prince made Diamonds & Pearls for the purpose of commercialism to try to make back some money lost during the Lovesexy tour and other thing

If you really think that Prince just "threw" Diamonds and Pearls together to make a hit, then I think you're mistaken. He can't dictate what is a hit and what isn't. Gett Off the first single was not a hit. If you think the purpose was commericalism, then why pick that song? If you think that he released Graffiti Bridge thinking it was going to be a huge flop, then I think you're mistaken about that too. Sorry, just my opinion...and yes, like a'holes, everyone has one!

18-year-old girls think all discordant relationships are the result of jealousy - on some level.

motherfunka said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

So? Purple Rain sold more than all 4 of them combined...and?

You're the one that said Prince has NEVER come close to the success with Wendy and Lisa. Well Wendy and Lisa "supposedly" had a huge influence on those 2 albums and they had nothing to do with D&P and , which sold better. So in conclusion, he not only came close...he surpassed the success of those 2 albums without them!

I hadn't said anything about specific albums. My intial reply quoted your mention of Wendy and Lisa not coming nowhere near Prince's success. To which, I still say...neither has HE...because his greatest "success" was Purple Rain!

Now, let's just take the success of Purple Rain out of the equation altogether and suppose that Prince's discography went from 1999 to ATWIAD. We wouldn't even be having this conversation because that's exactly where, musically speaking, it would have ended for all of them. Especially, Prince!

It was only the diehard fans that appreciated ATWIAD and even those numbers would have been significantly smaller, had there been no Purple Rain before it. WB would have never agreed to UTCM, so there'd have been no Parade.

Contractually, he may have still been able to pull off SOTT but he'd have had SLAVE written on his damn face...then...and without having made WB the shitload of money, he made for them with Purple Rain, they so would not have put up with that shit and we'd have never heard the rest.

Wendy and Lisa have had success. Mostly behind the scenes but still legit. In 2010 they received the Emmy Award for Outstanding Original Main Title Theme Music for their work on Nurse Jackie. They received the ASCAP award for "Composers of the Year" for their work on Dangerous Minds, the theme to HBO's Carnivale, Crossing Jordan and Heroes. They have made albums etc They went in a different direction career wise than Prince. I doubt Prince was "jealous". He's just a control freak that prefers run the show or do it solo.