to do the concert that you expect? I've read some posters griping about how he didn't play one song or another, or how this was wrong or that...

does the artist form a contract with the audience by nature of a ticket purchase? yes, the ticket admits bearer to performer on a given night, and time. but that contract does not imply set list, length of each song played, or who will be singing what song

therefore, don't we go see prince because we expect the unexpected? certainly he'll play a certain 10 or 13 songs..the rest is up to him to create an entertaining show...but his song selection is up to him, not what we want...isn't it?

Hell as long as he plays... I'm cool... he can play "the song that never ends" and make it sound good.

^id soo love to hear that :]

he owes me $50 for the lifetime NPGMC membership.

I think that the only thing he owes us is to show up and play.

Of course we hope for things, but that doesn't mean we'll get them.

Some people act like Prince is supposed to call them and clear the music, outfits and guest performers with them first.

If they don't like what goes on, they always have the option of saving their money and keeping their asses home.

I can truly say that there were only 3 shows of 34 that I was not happy about. Two of them involved personal drama, and one involved acoustics at the venue.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he owes me $50 for the lifetime NPGMC membership.

BlackAdder7 said:

to do the concert that you expect? I've read some posters griping about how he didn't play one song or another, or how this was wrong or that...

does the artist form a contract with the audience by nature of a ticket purchase? yes, the ticket admits bearer to performer on a given night, and time. but that contract does not imply set list, length of each song played, or who will be singing what song

therefore, don't we go see prince because we expect the unexpected? certainly he'll play a certain 10 or 13 songs..the rest is up to him to create an entertaining show...but his song selection is up to him, not what we want...isn't it?

few years back i e-mailed paisley park with my song list. but, he has never played lion sleeps tonight in any concert i've been to....

seriously, i think it's a little bit of both. buying a ticket to a 'prince' concert implies entry to a show comprised of 'prince' music, or what we commonly hold to be prince music.

each of us no doubt has a personal definition of what 'prince' music is, different from the person beside us. yet, overall, there is a consistent theme. those of us familiar with his music might have a broader mental definition of what prince is, knowing his catalogue of ballads and acoustic work. the less fanatic fan, not familiar with all of prince's work, would maybe think of the song 'purple rain' as the prince standard.

if prince were to sell tickets to a prince concert and surprise the audience by choosing that moment to roll out a new catalogue of country western lullabies, well, people might consider he'd breached his contract. yet, he wouldn't have breached anything since the concert would, in fact, be a prince show.

must be tough to be prince and try to guess which audience wants what.

IMO, If Prince played all of the songs you liked, he's always going to leave someone out. Not everyone has the same taste as you and if you haven't noticed Prince does something for everyone. He goes from Funk music to R&B to Rock. So for everyone saying that he owes them... get off your rocker... He's doing what he was put on this earth to do.... Make music... and he doesn't owe you a thing.

Prince owes fans nothing. Since he has been doing concerts, fans have gotten plenty from him onstage - they have seen and heard things that only Prince can do for them. I have been going to Prince gigs since the Controversy Tour and each experience was worth far more than the price of admission.

If I bought a ticket to a show, the only thing he owes me is a show. We all have different agendas and preferences, including him. Since he's the one putting on the show, he gets to set his agenda. I've never understood the "the show sucked because he didn't do my favorite song" mindset. Ok, he didn't do your favorite song but what about the songs he did perform??

prince needs to stop using his hits as an excuse to play his crappy music too .. and see its not for the fans .. its for prince .. because someone needs to stop hiim for his own sake .. it doesnt matter what "style" he is playing .. prince fans love all his styles .. just not his crappy songs that were lazily written as life filler for his next bloated purchase .. he owes himself less embarassing himself making himself sing and play that crap .. deep cuts are fine .. but even prince knows that prince died after the name change .. artistically he became just another "artist" .. and even that is being generous .. there is nothing that compares to the original prince music .. sure he became slightly less embarassing when he stole prince name back .. but he is still riding on the real prince fumes .. selling music and shows based upon love for the original prince music .. not based on love for who he is now and the music he creates now .. sure everyone tries to love his new music .. but ultimately its impossible .. prince does not respect himself enough to set the bar higher .. and as a result, with every tour and every new album full of crap .. he diminishes the value of his own self as an artist .. aka selling out for the payday

TrevorAyer said:

prince needs to stop using his hits as an excuse to play his crappy music too .. and see its not for the fans .. its for prince .. because someone needs to stop hiim for his own sake .. it doesnt matter what "style" he is playing .. prince fans love all his styles .. just not his crappy songs that were lazily written as life filler for his next bloated purchase .. he owes himself less embarassing himself making himself sing and play that crap .. deep cuts are fine .. but even prince knows that prince died after the name change .. artistically he became just another "artist" .. and even that is being generous .. there is nothing that compares to the original prince music .. sure he became slightly less embarassing when he stole prince name back .. but he is still riding on the real prince fumes .. selling music and shows based upon love for the original prince music .. not based on love for who he is now and the music he creates now .. sure everyone tries to love his new music .. but ultimately its impossible .. prince does not respect himself enough to set the bar higher .. and as a result, with every tour and every new album full of crap .. he diminishes the value of his own self as an artist .. aka selling out for the payday

How moronic and perosnalized you all take this. He is doing nothing that artists 30 years in the business are doing regarding set lists etc.

Plus you all make it sound like everyone is walking out of the concerts lol.

Plus: I see you have your Prince ticket in hand.

i.e. please shut the entire fuck up from now on.

xlr8r said:

TrevorAyer said:

prince needs to stop using his hits as an excuse to play his crappy music too .. and see its not for the fans .. its for prince .. because someone needs to stop hiim for his own sake .. it doesnt matter what "style" he is playing .. prince fans love all his styles .. just not his crappy songs that were lazily written as life filler for his next bloated purchase .. he owes himself less embarassing himself making himself sing and play that crap .. deep cuts are fine .. but even prince knows that prince died after the name change .. artistically he became just another "artist" .. and even that is being generous .. there is nothing that compares to the original prince music .. sure he became slightly less embarassing when he stole prince name back .. but he is still riding on the real prince fumes .. selling music and shows based upon love for the original prince music .. not based on love for who he is now and the music he creates now .. sure everyone tries to love his new music .. but ultimately its impossible .. prince does not respect himself enough to set the bar higher .. and as a result, with every tour and every new album full of crap .. he diminishes the value of his own self as an artist .. aka selling out for the payday

How moronic and perosnalized you all take this. He is doing nothing that artists 30 years in the business are doing regarding set lists etc.

Plus you all make it sound like everyone is walking out of the concerts lol.

Plus: I see you have your Prince ticket in hand.

i.e. please shut the entire fuck up from now on.

um no prince ticket and i responded to the topic while u blah blah about the poster that u know nothing about .. and yeah no doubt there would be people walking out if he only played newer music .. just like they walked out on the gold tour .. so how bout u stfu from now on

TrevorAyer said:

xlr8r said:

How moronic and perosnalized you all take this. He is doing nothing that artists 30 years in the business are doing regarding set lists etc.

Plus you all make it sound like everyone is walking out of the concerts lol.

Plus: I see you have your Prince ticket in hand.

i.e. please shut the entire fuck up from now on.

um no prince ticket and i responded to the topic while u blah blah about the poster that u know nothing about .. and yeah no doubt there would be people walking out if he only played newer music .. just like they walked out on the gold tour .. so how bout u stfu from now on

wtf are you talking about..stfu and sit down somewhere with your whining ass

There is no way Prince could play all my favorite songs. He'd have to play for atleast a week, probably more. At my age I would probably have a heart attack.

hmmm.

In the context of his concerts, Prince doesn't owe me anything.

You pay tickets to see a musical act for whatever reasons you want--but the artist can't take everyone's expectations and motivations into account.

The only thing I ever expect is the artist to behave like a professional--show up on time, make it look like you at least practiced, and whatever you play, just do a good job at it. Prince doesn't really fail at that.

I stopped going to his shows mainly because I didn't like the songs he was playing (I get bored with greatest hits type shows) and I didn't like the jazz-band fusion thing he'd been doing with some of his post-2000 shows. Also, I just bore easily. Oh, and I hate audience participation and sermons (which I'm told Prince has long ago cooled off on)

But, I'd say Prince probably beats most live acts still. I mean, other than the fact that he doesn't play songs you like, does this man ever have a bad show?

TrevorAyer said:

prince needs to stop using his hits as an excuse to play his crappy music too .. and see its not for the fans .. its for prince .. because someone needs to stop hiim for his own sake .. it doesnt matter what "style" he is playing .. prince fans love all his styles .. just not his crappy songs that were lazily written as life filler for his next bloated purchase .. he owes himself less embarassing himself making himself sing and play that crap .. deep cuts are fine .. but even prince knows that prince died after the name change .. artistically he became just another "artist" .. and even that is being generous .. there is nothing that compares to the original prince music .. sure he became slightly less embarassing when he stole prince name back .. but he is still riding on the real prince fumes .. selling music and shows based upon love for the original prince music .. not based on love for who he is now and the music he creates now .. sure everyone tries to love his new music .. but ultimately its impossible .. prince does not respect himself enough to set the bar higher .. and as a result, with every tour and every new album full of crap .. he diminishes the value of his own self as an artist .. aka selling out for the payday

You forgot the "IMO". Because that's what all that is, your opinion on what Prince "needs" to do.

BlackAdder7 said:

to do the concert that you expect? I've read some posters griping about how he didn't play one song or another, or how this was wrong or that...

does the artist form a contract with the audience by nature of a ticket purchase? yes, the ticket admits bearer to performer on a given night, and time. but that contract does not imply set list, length of each song played, or who will be singing what song

therefore, don't we go see prince because we expect the unexpected? certainly he'll play a certain 10 or 13 songs..the rest is up to him to create an entertaining show...but his song selection is up to him, not what we want...isn't it?

Of course there is no contract. Prince can play what he wants.

But equally, the fan isn't under contract to like it. Prince can pick whatever shit he wants, but every fan has the right to call it.

On a seperate note, Prince is often going around saying "playing the hits for the last time", so he is technically miss-selling if a) he come back to town to play them, b) gives up the majority of the show to non hits.

Personally I would prefer to hear all new music at the show, but I can understand casual fans moaning when he leaves out so may hits in favour of cover versions, particularly since he tend to imply that they are often "Hit" shows.

Prince doesn't owe any of us, shit - barring the whole $77 Lotusflower thing. And I'm pretty sure all those folks got their money back, so...

armpit said:

Prince doesn't owe any of us, shit - barring the whole $77 Lotusflower thing. And I'm pretty sure all those folks got their money back, so...

People got their money back? I never did.

He owes me a damned good show for what he charges. And he delivers. I don’t care what songs he plays, because every time I’ve seen Prince he was incredible.

Now I’m not so sure that he owed me that twenty-minute version of Purple Rain he played at MSG. And I think people’s complaints about awful shows during the Larry Graham era are legit. But everyone who plays for a long time makes some crap decisions about set lists, especially when it comes to medleys or working the crowd, and Prince seems to have an overall solid track record for a guy who has been playing live shows since the 1970s.

[Edited 3/29/11 12:37pm]

This reminds me of what I was thinking when Prince announced the 'Welcome 2 America' shows in NYC and now seems like a U.S. Tour. I was thinking it was going to be another 'Greatest Hits' tour and wasn't really thinking I would wanna see another one of thoz shows / tours. Then wifey convinced me to go to the MSG NYC W2A show and I was blown away, then we went to the final South Carolina show and I was blown away again. So I would say that P does NOT owe me anything, tour related (or music related) I just enjoy his shows.

Now I would love another Paisley Park show or he would come to South Florida, do a stadium show and hit Mansion (formerly known as Glam Slam Miami) on South Beach and rock / funk up the house ... [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/4.gif[/img:$uid]

The setlists from this tour are appropriate for arenas. If he played a theater sized venue, then he should have more room to play what he wants and feels like, because it'll be more hardcore fans.

The setlist is a mutual thing because if he plays for >10K people, he is obligated to give them some hits, or people will just walk out and leave and spread the word at it being a show where they didn't know any of the songs.

TrevorAyer said:

prince needs to stop using his hits as an excuse to play his crappy music too .. and see its not for the fans .. its for prince .. because someone needs to stop hiim for his own sake .. it doesnt matter what "style" he is playing .. prince fans love all his styles .. just not his crappy songs that were lazily written as life filler for his next bloated purchase .. he owes himself less embarassing himself making himself sing and play that crap .. deep cuts are fine .. but even prince knows that prince died after the name change .. artistically he became just another "artist" .. and even that is being generous .. there is nothing that compares to the original prince music .. sure he became slightly less embarassing when he stole prince name back .. but he is still riding on the real prince fumes .. selling music and shows based upon love for the original prince music .. not based on love for who he is now and the music he creates now .. sure everyone tries to love his new music .. but ultimately its impossible .. prince does not respect himself enough to set the bar higher .. and as a result, with every tour and every new album full of crap .. he diminishes the value of his own self as an artist .. aka selling out for the payday

This turns my stomach. The man just finished performing several (by all accounts) outstanding and memorable concerts, having lost his brother only days before.

Prince doesn't owe me anything.

Yes

If you dont think you owe fans anything then dont sell your music.

lPoeticl said:

Hell as long as he plays... I'm cool... he can play "the song that never ends" and make it sound good.

Prince is currently calling me hold on

ME:Hello, heys whats up

Prince: Hey I wanna tell you something, thank you for the setlist

Me: uh huh

Prince: It says here you wanted me to sing a song that doesn't end and it goes on and on my friend

Me: yeah!!!

Prince: is it okay if I make some adjustments..

Me: yes!!!!!

Prince: okay here we go, I just wrote it down, "this is the song that always ends, because I don't owe you a damn thing my friend, see I started singing not knowing what it was, but I hope you know I don't owe you a damn thing just because this is that song that always ends let me see you send me another setlist again, I will second bill your ass and shut down my site fast because this is the song that always ends...

Me:

Prince: you like it because I do *click*

[Edited 4/6/11 17:58pm]

Prince cannot please all of the people all of the time. Take what you get or stay home and whine about something else.