Hi,

Just got a new, supposedly ultimate, FLAC version of the album and...

It doesn't contain "17" at the beginning (starts with Rootie Kazootie), but instead it ends with a track named "24", that i'd never heard or heard of before (and isn't listed on Princevault).

WTF???

This is what The Vault book has to say....

"The album, entitled "24" was completed by mid 1994, with the following tracklisting...

17

Rootie Kazootie

Space

Guitar Segue

Asswoop

Ethereal

Parlor games

MichaelB

Got 2 Give It Up

Sonny T

It was the 1988 version that had the track titled 24.

It was part of "The Dopamine Rush Suite" that took up half the album.

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Is the track "24" the same as the instrumental "24" on the "Fantasia" bootleg?

CD 2 from "Fantasia":

2-1. Power From Above (4:35)
2-2. Carmen On Top (3:42)
2-3. Go Carmen Go (4:33)
2-4. Powerline (4:02)
2-5. All That (5:28)
2-6. The Juice (4:06)
2-7. Fun Part II (2:01)
2-8. Fantasia Erotica (2:57)
2-9. Rootie Kazootie (7:03)
2-10. Space (4:47)
2-11. Guitar Segue (1:05)
2-12. Asswoop (7:08)
2-13. Ethereal Segue (0:32)
2-14. Parlor Games (4:02)
2-15. Michael Segue (0:40)
2-16. (Got 2) Give It Up (7:18)
2-17. Sonny & Miles Segue (1:40)
2-18. 24 (6:47)

The last track ("24") probably has nothing to do with the "24" (1988/1993) projects. The title was probably invented by Moonraker (at the time). Ah, bootleggers...

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^^ 24 on the '88 version of "24" runs at only 4min 38-40.

One more thing: "24" on the "Fantasia" bootleg is the same as "Instrumental" on "Work It 2.0, Volume 4" (first track of CD 2).

o_O i didnt know there was a 24.. i thought there was just 8 and 16?

wtf is this!

olb99 said:

One more thing: "24" on the "Fantasia" bootleg is the same as "Instrumental" on "Work It 2.0, Volume 4" (first track of CD 2).

Interesting, thanks. Looks like Moonraker are getting a bit mixed up?

dyvrdown said:

o_O i didnt know there was a 24.. i thought there was just 8 and 16?

wtf is this!

There are two versions of 24, one was made in 1988, the other made in 93.

Both remain unreleased, but both are widely circulating.

TheDigitalGardener said:

dyvrdown said:

o_O i didnt know there was a 24.. i thought there was just 8 and 16?

wtf is this!

There are two versions of 24, one was made in 1988, the other made in 93.

Both remain unreleased, but both are widely circulating.

i guess thats why i hadnt heard of it ._.

i have 8 and 16 cause they were released. i probably have the songs from 24, but theyre in a pile of other unreleased stuff i have so i never knew they were part of an album =p

lmao just checked, and i do have them. most of them anyways lol smh where've i been.

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TheDigitalGardener said:

olb99 said:

One more thing: "24" on the "Fantasia" bootleg is the same as "Instrumental" on "Work It 2.0, Volume 4" (first track of CD 2).

Interesting, thanks. Looks like Moonraker are getting a bit mixed up?

Yep, and I guess the guy who compiled that "ultimate" version of "24" took the tracks from "Fantasia" without even doing 5 minutes of research. I like the idea of fan-made bootlegs/compilations/remixes, but there are a lot of low-quality "releases" out there...

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TheDigitalGardener said:

dyvrdown said:

o_O i didnt know there was a 24.. i thought there was just 8 and 16?

wtf is this!

There are two versions of 24, one was made in 1988, the other made in 93.

Both remain unreleased, but both are widely circulating.

There are THREE albums named "24", the two you mention plus a third version recorded around 1995 which is not circulating. Snippets of 2 tracks from this third project were officially released, though (on a promo sampler and in the first NPG Ahdio Show) and both are jazz versions of Kamasutra tracks.

As for the "24" song on my bootleg, it's the 6 minutes Moonraker track you mention (nothing to do with Dopamine Rush). Does anyone know what the real title of this track is or at least when it was recorded?

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That's an instrumental that Prince recorded by himself and hasn't anything to do with Madhouse.

It was added to 24 and titled that way by bootleggers.

Most probably the track hails from 89.

vitriol said:

(I'd forgotten)

Anyway, the version of the album discussed by the OP can be anything but 'ultimate'.

It lacks '17' because it had already been released on 1-800 NF and includes that instrumental at the end because bootlegers were lacking info.

vitriol said:

(I'd forgotten)

Anyway, the version of the album discussed by the OP can be anything but 'ultimate'.

It lacks '17' because it had already been released on 1-800 NF and includes that instrumental at the end because bootlegers were lacking info.

I think it's from the 4 CD Madhouse set, not sure though. Damn amateurs!!! They shoulda included 17 anyway so we'd have had the whole album in FLAC with the same sound quality and level

^Well, both T on his magnificent 'Preposition' and GetBlue on 'Work It' also chose to skip the track as it's NOT unreleased.

Cleverly, neither set includes the 89 instrumental as '24'.

If you want the full album as intended you can do it yourself by adding '17' and dumping '24'.