johnart said:

LMFAO at all the "for the Children" attitude like someone made them watch a Santa beheading.

The chirrunz will live. Please.

Right?

But, hey - we mustn't let facts or reason get in the way of a good rant. Especially if it's "for the children."

How many of you who are making fun of the scholarship recipients have actually watched the WFAA video about how they were treated at the event?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/...99269.html

Obviously, this is far from the worst bad thing that can happen to young people. But these students have a specific grievance with Mr. Prince Rogers Nelson, which he has a unique ability to redress. That's why we're talking about them on this site.

electricberet said:

How many of you who are making fun of the scholarship recipients have actually watched the WFAA video about how they were treated at the event?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/...99269.html

Obviously, this is far from the worst bad thing that can happen to young people. But these students have a specific grievance with Mr. Prince Rogers Nelson, which he has a unique ability to redress. That's why we're talking about them on this site.

Wow - you really are out there in the deep end. Who - exactly - has made fun of the kids?

They do not have a grievance with Prince. A grievance is brought against someone who is at fault. Prince is not at fault for what happened in Dallas.

This whole conversation reminds me of a magnet I saw once. It read, "I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was going to blame you."

johnart said:

LMFAO at all the "for the Children" attitude like someone made them watch a Santa beheading.

The chirrunz will live. Please.

The whole damn event was supposed to be "for the Children". Was it not?

electricberet said:

Genesia said:

electricberet said:

How many of you who are making fun of the scholarship recipients have actually watched the WFAA video about how they were treated at the event?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/...99269.html

Obviously, this is far from the worst bad thing that can happen to young people. But these students have a specific grievance with Mr. Prince Rogers Nelson, which he has a unique ability to redress. That's why we're talking about them on this site.

Wow - you really are out there in the deep end. Who - exactly - has made fun of the kids?

They do not have a grievance with Prince. A grievance is brought against someone who is at fault. Prince is not at fault for what happened in Dallas.

This whole conversation reminds me of a magnet I saw once. It read, "I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was going to blame you."

Well, pardon my irritation. I might be in a better mood if I had gotten to see Prince last weekend. Instead, I'm waiting for my refund. I have explained in great detail in the main thread why I think that Prince is partly to blame for what happened here, along with the organizers and everyone else who knew things were headed south and did nothing about it. But that is a different point. If you think Prince shouldn't do anything, fine. No need to keep reading this thread. But the OP suggested that we might brainstorm on ideas for how he could "make up" for what happened if he chooses to do so.

If I was a young musician who had been invited to Dallas to open for Prince, and was told after the concert was supposed to start that he was a no-show, I would be upset. And I probably wouldn't find a lot of humor in the Simpsons references.

[Edited 2/7/11 14:14pm]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Well, had I wasted a trip to Dallas and $1500+ on that bullshit...my WRATH would be MERCILESS and downright VICIOUS!

Since I didn't but some deserving children did...SOMEBODY has to think of them! Because Prince sure as hell didn't when he was reportedly on Friday, sitting his ass in his limo outside the hotel going...

[img:$uid]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/SexyBeautifulOne/BBHM-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

The event's organizer (that Arnold guy) has refuted the claim about Prince being outside the hotel and has said that Prince wasn't there.

The scholarship kids (who aren't really kids) got reimbursed. All the ticket holders got their money back.

Prince may or may not do something nice for the scholarship recipients. The whole thing just happened two days ago. If he does something for them, great. If not, I'm not gonna worry about it.

So...well, that's about it.

Jakeasaurus said:

electricberet said:

Should we start a new thread under the heading "Prince should do nothing to make up for the charity event because it's not his fault?" That way, those who are of that opinion could post their comments there. The OP in this thread asked for suggestions about what Prince could do to make it up.

Actually, now that I think of it, there's already a thread for those who want to absolve Prince from any blame:

http://prince.org/msg/12/352267

[Flame snip - luv4u]

Thanks for the clarification. I was beginning to wonder why I am spending all this time on the internet speaking up for people I've never met.

electricberet said:

Genesia said:

Wow - you really are out there in the deep end. Who - exactly - has made fun of the kids?

They do not have a grievance with Prince. A grievance is brought against someone who is at fault. Prince is not at fault for what happened in Dallas.

This whole conversation reminds me of a magnet I saw once. It read, "I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was going to blame you."

Well, pardon my irritation. I might be in a better mood if I had gotten to see Prince last weekend. Instead, I'm waiting for my refund. I have explained in great detail in the main thread why I think that Prince is partly to blame for what happened here, along with the organizers and everyone else who knew things were headed south and did nothing about it. But that is a different point. If you think Prince shouldn't do anything, fine. No need to keep reading this thread. But the OP suggested that we might brainstorm on ideas for how he could "make up" for what happens if he chooses to do so.

If I was a young musician who had been invited to Dallas to open for Prince, and was told after the concert was supposed to start that he was a no-show, I would be upset. And I probably wouldn't find a lot of humor in the Simpsons references.

As would EVERYBODY on this thread that's trying to fake the funk!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

johnart said:

LMFAO at all the "for the Children" attitude like someone made them watch a Santa beheading.

The chirrunz will live. Please.

The whole damn event was supposed to be "for the Children". Was it not?

Well thank god it wasn't for Cancer patients cause I'm sure folk would be dying left and right.

Stay strong, children, stay strong.

Prince doesn't need to make up for this event, but not because he's entirely without blame in the situation. It's true that Prince should be making better business decisions and were Prince to have not endorsed this promoter's event in the first place, we wouldn't be here bickering about where to point the fingers. Were Prince to have properly managed his business and properly done due diligence when it comes to situations like this as opposed to simply letting the money talk, the event coordinators wouldn't have had an event to fuck up in the first place.

Regardless, he doesn't need to make up for the event because he wasn't the one handling it. He's a hands off performer who simply wants to list his requirements, receive his payment, arrive, perform, and leave without ever having to involve any red tape or any sort of contracts and white noise. To think he would have the presence of mind to make sure this event was going off proper is naive at best and an expensive misjudgement at worst.

This is par for the course with Prince's business decisions. He does not make use of professional management or representation any longer, preferring to handle things via whichever channel moves him at the time. This has been the case for quite some time after his career was mishandled by L Londell McMillan. Even when Londell was in the picture, Prince called every shot and did not, presumably, heed any wiser business advice he may have received.

Bringing up the kids is a cheap shot, but its hollow. The children are the least affected next to people who simply were not going to the event. Doesn't make the disappointment right, but it also doesn't mean that Prince is OBLIGATED to fulfill anything for those children. He ain't involved in that shit. The promoters are. He does agree to do it, but he doesn't agree to administer it or be involved in any legwork.

electricberet said:

Genesia said:

Wow - you really are out there in the deep end. Who - exactly - has made fun of the kids?

They do not have a grievance with Prince. A grievance is brought against someone who is at fault. Prince is not at fault for what happened in Dallas.

This whole conversation reminds me of a magnet I saw once. It read, "I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was going to blame you."

Well, pardon my irritation. I might be in a better mood if I had gotten to see Prince last weekend. Instead, I'm waiting for my refund. I have explained in great detail in the main thread why I think that Prince is partly to blame for what happened here, along with the organizers and everyone else who knew things were headed south and did nothing about it. But that is a different point. If you think Prince shouldn't do anything, fine. No need to keep reading this thread. But the OP suggested that we might brainstorm on ideas for how he could "make up" for what happened if he chooses to do so.

If I was a young musician who had been invited to Dallas to open for Prince, and was told after the concert was supposed to start that he was a no-show, I would be upset. And I probably wouldn't find a lot of humor in the Simpsons references.

[Edited 2/7/11 14:14pm]

What is the point of "brainstorming?" Because...what...Prince is going to read this thread? Or take the advice of anyone here?

You can go into all the "detail" you want, but Prince is not to blame for this. You're just looking for someone to lay your disappointment on - displaced though it may be. The "kids" everyone's taking up for are probably whining less than you, in fact.

Efan said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Well, had I wasted a trip to Dallas and $1500+ on that bullshit...my WRATH would be MERCILESS and downright VICIOUS!

Since I didn't but some deserving children did...SOMEBODY has to think of them! Because Prince sure as hell didn't when he was reportedly on Friday, sitting his ass in his limo outside the hotel going...

[img:$uid]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/SexyBeautifulOne/BBHM-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

The event's organizer (that Arnold guy) has refuted the claim about Prince being outside the hotel and has said that Prince wasn't there.

The scholarship kids (who aren't really kids) got reimbursed. All the ticket holders got their money back.

Prince may or may not do something nice for the scholarship recipients. The whole thing just happened two days ago. If he does something for them, great. If not, I'm not gonna worry about it.

So...well, that's about it.

In the original reports...(that Arnold guy) was the one "claiming" that he was there. I don't know because I wasn't. Though there are a lot of people who were, that have said, he was.

Interesting to see that some of the same people who defend Prince as someone who can do no wrong also view him as a heartless a*hole who could not possibly be moved to do anything to help any of the people who are unfortunate enough to cross his path. Prince truly is an enigma, isn't he?

Anyway, I keep thinking of this skit from Mr. Show for some reason:

electricberet said:

Interesting to see that some of the same people who defend Prince as someone who can do no wrong also view him as a heartless a*hole who could not possibly be moved to do anything to help any of the people who are unfortunate enough to cross his path. Prince truly is an enigma, isn't he?

Anyway, I keep thinking of this skit from Mr. Show for some reason:

Nah, his fans are just fickle as fuck and usually don't give a damn UNLESS and UNTIL...his special brand of bullshit involves them personally.

Just take a stroll down Org Memory Lane, you'll some of the same folks defending Prince to high heaven, clowning like hell over their missing Lotus Flow3r t-shirts, or their missing CrystalBall shit.

.

[Edited 2/7/11 14:36pm]

electricberet said:

Interesting to see that some of the same people who defend Prince as someone who can do no wrong also view him as a heartless a*hole who could not possibly be moved to do anything to help any of the people who are unfortunate enough to cross his path. Prince truly is an enigma, isn't he?

Anyway, I keep thinking of this skit from Mr. Show for some reason:

I keep thinking of this for some reason:

johnart said:

I keep thinking of this for some reason:

Wrong...but hilarious.

electricberet said:

Genesia said:

Life is full of disappointments. A better lesson for those kids to learn would be to put the blame where it belongs.

Now that's cold-hearted. I think they've already learned a lot about how the music business really works and their place in the world. Perhaps Prince could teach some more kids a lesson by failing to show up in New York for his preannounced charity donation?

Genesia said:

johnart said:

I keep thinking of this for some reason:

Wrong...but hilarious.

You wouldn't think it was funny if you were a bunny with a scholarship and a dream.

Efan said:

Genesia said:

Wrong...but hilarious.

You wouldn't think it was funny if you were a bunny with a scholarship and a dream.

<-- me, 10 seconds ago - literally

Jimmyjames1 said:

I've been to his concerts...he makes his "fans" wait hours on end before the show starts! Very disrespectful to say the least! You guys are on drugs if you think this isn't about money. He's greedy, he hasn't made a descent album in years, and he's a hypocrite! He's been divorced twice....

Oh yeah he's been divorced twice makes him a horrible human being! Perhaps you're on something.

Efan said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Well, had I wasted a trip to Dallas and $1500+ on that bullshit...my WRATH would be MERCILESS and downright VICIOUS!

Since I didn't but some deserving children did...SOMEBODY has to think of them! Because Prince sure as hell didn't when he was reportedly on Friday, sitting his ass in his limo outside the hotel going...

[img:$uid]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/SexyBeautifulOne/BBHM-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

The event's organizer (that Arnold guy) has refuted the claim about Prince being outside the hotel and has said that Prince wasn't there.

The scholarship kids (who aren't really kids) got reimbursed. All the ticket holders got their money back.

Prince may or may not do something nice for the scholarship recipients. The whole thing just happened two days ago. If he does something for them, great. If not, I'm not gonna worry about it.

So...well, that's about it.

There is a lot of conflicting information about exactly how close Prince got to the Hotel InterContinental on Friday night. Since the organizers were promising all week that the show would go on, I'm not putting much stock in their account of what happened.

If Prince never looks at this website, and no one in his inner circle looks at it, then I agree it is a waste of time to talk about what he could do to make people feel better about the non-Event. I guess I was under the impression that he is vaguely aware of what people are saying here, since he directed a song lyric recently at the "haters on the Internet." In any event, since there isn't much brainstorming going on here, I guess I'll have to find some other outlet for my frustration.

electricberet said:

Efan said:

The event's organizer (that Arnold guy) has refuted the claim about Prince being outside the hotel and has said that Prince wasn't there.

The scholarship kids (who aren't really kids) got reimbursed. All the ticket holders got their money back.

Prince may or may not do something nice for the scholarship recipients. The whole thing just happened two days ago. If he does something for them, great. If not, I'm not gonna worry about it.

So...well, that's about it.

There is a lot of conflicting information about exactly how close Prince got to the Hotel InterContinental on Friday night. Since the organizers were promising all week that the show would go on, I'm not putting much stock in their account of what happened.

If Prince never looks at this website, and no one in his inner circle looks at it, then I agree it is a waste of time to talk about what he could do to make people feel better about the non-Event. I guess I was under the impression that he is vaguely aware of what people are saying here, since he directed a song lyric recently at the "haters on the Internet." In any event, since there isn't much brainstorming going on here, I guess I'll have to find some other outlet for my frustration.

Since you were planning to go, I don't blame you for being frustrated and upset about it not happening. I would be too. But you shouldn't expect that you're going to get anything other than your money back. Still, I hope you are pleasantly surprised--but if you are, I think that would be really nice but not an obligation.

So, Prince doesn't show up at a concert. He dissapoints fans who were convinced he would perform. And everybody has an opinion without knowing the real story. P acts as if he only cares about the money.

What else is new?

Efan said:

Genesia said:

Wrong...but hilarious.

You wouldn't think it was funny if you were a bunny with a scholarship and a dream.

I need new drawzzzzzzzz

Spinlight said:

Prince doesn't need to make up for this event, but not because he's entirely without blame in the situation. It's true that Prince should be making better business decisions and were Prince to have not endorsed this promoter's event in the first place, we wouldn't be here bickering about where to point the fingers. Were Prince to have properly managed his business and properly done due diligence when it comes to situations like this as opposed to simply letting the money talk, the event coordinators wouldn't have had an event to fuck up in the first place.

Regardless, he doesn't need to make up for the event because he wasn't the one handling it. He's a hands off performer who simply wants to list his requirements, receive his payment, arrive, perform, and leave without ever having to involve any red tape or any sort of contracts and white noise. To think he would have the presence of mind to make sure this event was going off proper is naive at best and an expensive misjudgement at worst.

This is par for the course with Prince's business decisions. He does not make use of professional management or representation any longer, preferring to handle things via whichever channel moves him at the time. This has been the case for quite some time after his career was mishandled by L Londell McMillan. Even when Londell was in the picture, Prince called every shot and did not, presumably, heed any wiser business advice he may have received.

Bringing up the kids is a cheap shot, but its hollow. The children are the least affected next to people who simply were not going to the event. Doesn't make the disappointment right, but it also doesn't mean that Prince is OBLIGATED to fulfill anything for those children. He ain't involved in that shit. The promoters are. He does agree to do it, but he doesn't agree to administer it or be involved in any legwork.

He should just have another charity event, its not rocket science, give the man a break, maybe he wasnt feelin well, last check he was also A HUMAN BEING. So i say that he brings in a doctors note and just plan another event, or just donate the money that was raised!!!

electricberet said:

Efan said:

The event's organizer (that Arnold guy) has refuted the claim about Prince being outside the hotel and has said that Prince wasn't there.

The scholarship kids (who aren't really kids) got reimbursed. All the ticket holders got their money back.

Prince may or may not do something nice for the scholarship recipients. The whole thing just happened two days ago. If he does something for them, great. If not, I'm not gonna worry about it.

So...well, that's about it.

There is a lot of conflicting information about exactly how close Prince got to the Hotel InterContinental on Friday night. Since the organizers were promising all week that the show would go on, I'm not putting much stock in their account of what happened.

If Prince never looks at this website, and no one in his inner circle looks at it, then I agree it is a waste of time to talk about what he could do to make people feel better about the non-Event. I guess I was under the impression that he is vaguely aware of what people are saying here, since he directed a song lyric recently at the "haters on the Internet." In any event, since there isn't much brainstorming going on here, I guess I'll have to find some other outlet for my frustration.

Don't be frustrated. Just learn to spend your money more wisely.

Don't spend it on someone that doesn't appreciate that you would spend your money on them, in the first place.

Don't spend it on someone that would have their name attached to something that would cost you money but if it fell through for whatever reason, would deny any and all culpability and head for greener pastures, without so much as a second thought.

Don't spend it on someone with a proven track record of dealing with shady irresponsible people when it comes to their business dealings.

In more precise words...the next time Prince gets to peddling his wares and services in or near your town...

Just say no!

[img:$uid]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/SexyBeautifulOne/cashcow.gif[/img:$uid]

Jimmyjames1 said:

Prince is a greedy has been! He says he's religious but he's all about the money!

You got the wrong man!

Bobby Z fundraiser more than made up for Dallas.