Amen! I don't think he was even in town, with the weather, I doubt he'd run the risk of getting trapped in Dallas with a show in NY on Monday. These event organizers just suck, not Prince's fault. And the weather was a killer! Not to mention, this superbowl kinda sucks. So... I hate this kind of BS, Prince gets the heat and he don't deserve it!

You had to know the perennial haters would post about this, trying to blame Prince, but it really shows a lack of their understanding of organizational processes. It is OBVIOUS the event organizers couldn't deliver, period.

Often for events like this (attached to some other major event) like the NBA Allstars, Oscars, Superbowl, heck even the annual Black Caucus events, are organized by ancillary groups. Generally these types of events are underwritten by major corporations as in the case with say, the Oscars--Sony will underwrite the event as a promotion any losses they incur are insignificant. In this instance, it doesn't appear the organizers had that benefit and therefore it was solely on the event organizer to coordinate, promote and pay the entertainment. Clearly whomever the event organizers were they didn't have the pull nor did they properly promote or fund the gig. The first clue was they were holding the event in a tent in the middle of winter.

I see their concept and I suppose it could have worked but you have to be "in" with the "in-crowd" to get the right people there to create the right buzz to get the money there and for an event of this magnitude, you always need a major sponsor. I suspect with competing events and it being Texas that they didn't do their homework they way they should have.

This one was not Prince's fault.

"The land of the free" indeed!

W2A

sweething said:

You had to know the perennial haters would post about this, trying to blame Prince, but it really shows a lack of their understanding of organizational processes. It is OBVIOUS the event organizers couldn't deliver, period.

Often for events like this (attached to some other major event) like the NBA Allstars, Oscars, Superbowl, heck even the annual Black Caucus events, are organized by ancillary groups. Generally these types of events are underwritten by major corporations as in the case with say, the Oscars--Sony will underwrite the event as a promotion any losses they incur are insignificant. In this instance, it doesn't appear the organizers had that benefit and therefore it was solely on the event organizer to coordinate, promote and pay the entertainment. Clearly whomever the event organizers were they didn't have the pull nor did they properly promote or fund the gig. The first clue was they were holding the event in a tent in the middle of winter.

I see their concept and I suppose it could have worked but you have to be "in" with the "in-crowd" to get the right people there to create the right buzz to get the money there and for an event of this magnitude, you always need a major sponsor. I suspect with competing events and it being Texas that they didn't do their homework they way they should have.

This one was not Prince's fault.

And what does that mean?

SCNDLS said:

sweething said:

You had to know the perennial haters would post about this, trying to blame Prince, but it really shows a lack of their understanding of organizational processes. It is OBVIOUS the event organizers couldn't deliver, period.

Often for events like this (attached to some other major event) like the NBA Allstars, Oscars, Superbowl, heck even the annual Black Caucus events, are organized by ancillary groups. Generally these types of events are underwritten by major corporations as in the case with say, the Oscars--Sony will underwrite the event as a promotion any losses they incur are insignificant. In this instance, it doesn't appear the organizers had that benefit and therefore it was solely on the event organizer to coordinate, promote and pay the entertainment. Clearly whomever the event organizers were they didn't have the pull nor did they properly promote or fund the gig. The first clue was they were holding the event in a tent in the middle of winter.

I see their concept and I suppose it could have worked but you have to be "in" with the "in-crowd" to get the right people there to create the right buzz to get the money there and for an event of this magnitude, you always need a major sponsor. I suspect with competing events and it being Texas that they didn't do their homework they way they should have.

This one was not Prince's fault.

And what does that mean?

It means that the organizers clearly did not have the "following" or financial base to make it happen there. In contrast I don't believe the same concert in LA would have been an issue because the pool of people who could/would come up with $1500+ for an intimate event with Prince is greater.

sweething said:

SCNDLS said:

And what does that mean?

It means that the organizers clearly did not have the "following" or financial base to make it happen there. In contrast I don't believe the same concert in LA would have been an issue because the pool of people who could/would come up with $1500+ for an intimate event with Prince is greater.

Do you know how many millionaires/billionaires live in Texas and Dallas, specifically, please.

There are major benefits/events going on here on a weekly basis that go off without a hitch and generate 100s of millions of dollars. But that has nothing to do with this.

This situation is due to a janky promoter trying to make a quick buck by using P's name and a charity as a draw. This event was a victim of poor, last minute planning by a shady promoter, that's all. They JUST announced this in December. Common sense would tell you that given the competing SB events they should have had at least a 6 month lead time to generae sales. It has nothing to do with it being held in Dallas.

Oh and let me add that I attended the first two of P's shows at the Roosevelt in LA back in 2007. The GA tix were $312 and the other were $3121 per couple. The first shows that I attended, sold all 300 of the $312 tix and SOME of the $3121 tix. (Almost the same per ticket price as the Dallas show.) But it was not a sellout.

The first two shows were the best selling of the concert series while the rest tanked quickly because they could not sell the higher tix. Matter of fact the last few shows were cancelled due to poor ticket sales and that was pre-recession. So, being in LA is absolutely no guarantee that a ridiculously priced show is going to sell just because it's in LA.

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SCNDLS said:

Oh and let me add that I attended the first two of P's shows at the Roosevelt in LA back in 2007. The GA tix were $312 and the other were $3121 per couple. The first shows that I attended, sold all 300 of the $312 tix and SOME of the $3121 tix. (Almost the same per ticket price as the Dallas show.) But it was not a sellout.

The first two shows were the best selling of the concert series while the rest tanked quickly because they could not sell the higher tix. Matter of fact the last few shows were cancelled due to poor ticket sales and that was pre-recession. So, being in LA is absolutely no guarantee that a ridiculously priced show is going to sell just because it's in LA.

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You need to read my post again. You're putting so many words in my mouth I cant even breath.

And yes, I know quite well the economic standing in Dallas, Texas.

As I've stated the event organizers were the problem. At this event/this time, it didn't work.

As for 3121, i seem to recall Prince was announcing those concerts only days before/day of.

I'm not from LA if that's where you going with this, sorry.

sweething said:

SCNDLS said:

And what does that mean?

It means that the organizers clearly did not have the "following" or financial base to make it happen there. In contrast I don't believe the same concert in LA would have been an issue because the pool of people who could/would come up with $1500+ for an intimate event with Prince is greater.

If LA was struck with a snowstorm prior to this hypothetical event that paralyzed traffic for several days, I'm guessing they would have had the same problem. Yes, I know it doesn't snow in LA; I went to college there. But it doesn't snow very often in DFW, at least not like this. Neither Prince nor the organizers could have predicted the weather before this week. That said, the organizers have behaved completely irresponsibly as many have pointed out on the other thread. Moreover, given that orgers like SCNDLS were able to predict the disaster before it happened, I don't think you can completely exonerate Prince for agreeing to this deal in the first place. As I said in another thread, I think he could have sold out the American Airlines Center if he had played a regular concert there. He has been trying all sorts of creative ways to make money in this recession, which is understandable, but this was one experiment that did not work.

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sweething said:

SCNDLS said:

Oh and let me add that I attended the first two of P's shows at the Roosevelt in LA back in 2007. The GA tix were $312 and the other were $3121 per couple. The first shows that I attended, sold all 300 of the $312 tix and SOME of the $3121 tix. (Almost the same per ticket price as the Dallas show.) But it was not a sellout.

The first two shows were the best selling of the concert series while the rest tanked quickly because they could not sell the higher tix. Matter of fact the last few shows were cancelled due to poor ticket sales and that was pre-recession. So, being in LA is absolutely no guarantee that a ridiculously priced show is going to sell just because it's in LA.

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You need to read my post again. You're putting so many words in my mouth I cant even breath.

And yes, I know quite well the economic standing in Dallas, Texas.

As I've stated the event organizers were the problem. At this event/this time, it didn't work.

As for 3121, i seem to recall Prince was announcing those concerts only days before/day of.

I'm not from LA if that's where you going with this, sorry.

I read your post just fine. I didn't put words in your mouth. You said:

"In contrast I don't believe the same concert in LA would have been an issue because the pool of people who could/would come up with $1500+ for an intimate event with Prince is greater."

But now you're contradicting everything YOU said with your last post. I read what you said and responded to it. And where you're from is irrelevant. YOU said the same concert in LA wouldn't be an issue because there's a greater pool of people with the funds to go. The LA 3121 shows were announced at least a month or so before they started, at about the same price as the Dallas shows, and STILL did not sellout. My point is pretty clear.

All this just goes to show that the Super Bowl should always be held in cities like Miami, Phoenix and Los Angeles.

Just wait until they have a Super Bowl in New Jersey - in an OUTDOOR stadium.

electricberet said:

sweething said:

It means that the organizers clearly did not have the "following" or financial base to make it happen there. In contrast I don't believe the same concert in LA would have been an issue because the pool of people who could/would come up with $1500 for an intimate event with Prince is greater.

If LA was struck with a snowstorm prior to this hypothetical event that paralyzed traffic for several days, I'm guessing they would have had the same problem. Yes, I know it doesn't snow in LA; I went to college there. But it doesn't snow very often in DFW, at least not like this. Neither Prince nor the organizers could have predicted the weather before this week. That said, the organizers have behaved completely irresponsibly as many have pointed out on the other thread. Moreover, given that orgers like SCNDLS were able to predict the disaster before it happened, I don't think you can completely exonerate Prince for agreeing to this deal in the first place. As I said in another thread, I think he could have sold out the American Airlines Center if he had played a regular concert there. He has been trying all sorts of creative ways to make money in this recession, which is understandable, but this was one experiment that did not work.

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[Edited 2/5/11 9:56am]

Totally agree the weather certainly MAY have been a factor, but it sounds as if ticket sales from the jump weren't happening. Sounds to me (again just speculating) that Prince may have given some people an opportunity to do this (and use his name) and like you said, it didn't work. Why? Its Dallas!

Maybe they should have had Willie Nelson or Ache-Breaky guy as the headliner -- clearly Prince fans didn't want to, or couldn't afford the ticket prices. All that Dallas money tends to be, let's say concentrated with a certain "few".

p.s. before anyone gets tooooooo incensed, i'm partially kidding to lighten up the moment. Have a good Saturday!

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RodeoSchro said:

All this just goes to show that the Super Bowl should always be held in cities like Miami, Phoenix and Los Angeles.

Just wait until they have a Super Bowl in New Jersey - in an OUTDOOR stadium.

I don't agree with that all. This was a freakish weather event. It was 76 degrees Friday and Saturday and 72 on Sunday in Dallas last week. Most of the country and ALL of the cities hosting the SB in the next 3 years were affected this week. Indy had over a foot of snow. Not to mention Miami had a monsoon in 2007 and it rained most of the week last year too. So, shit just happens.

And didn't ya'll get snow down in H-town, Rodeo???

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sweething said:

electricberet said:

If LA was struck with a snowstorm prior to this hypothetical event that paralyzed traffic for several days, I'm guessing they would have had the same problem. Yes, I know it doesn't snow in LA; I went to college there. But it doesn't snow very often in DFW, at least not like this. Neither Prince nor the organizers could have predicted the weather before this week. That said, the organizers have behaved completely irresponsibly as many have pointed out on the other thread. Moreover, given that orgers like SCNDLS were able to predict the disaster before it happened, I don't think you can completely exonerate Prince for agreeing to this deal in the first place. As I said in another thread, I think he could have sold out the American Airlines Center if he had played a regular concert there. He has been trying all sorts of creative ways to make money in this recession, which is understandable, but this was one experiment that did not work.

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[Edited 2/5/11 9:56am]

Totally agree the weather certainly MAY have been a factor, but it sounds as if ticket sales from the jump weren't happening. Sounds to me (again just speculating) that Prince may have given some people an opportunity to do this (and use his name) and like you said, it didn't work. Why? Its Dallas!

Maybe they should have had Willie Nelson or Ache-Breaky guy as the headliner -- clearly Prince fans didn't want to, or couldn't afford the ticket prices. All that Dallas money tends to be, let's say concentrated with a certain "few".

Well, keep in mind that Prince has played Dallas many times, starting with his very first tour in 1979. He played the American Airlines Center twice in 2004 and at least one of those concerts was a sellout according to Prince-Live. But I don't think this concert was directed at the local crowd anyway. It was aimed at people flying in for the Super Bowl, and it was billed as a charity event even though that may have been misleading. Based on what we're learning about the way the concert was organized, I imagine Prince's management had some clue that there was a possibility things would not come off as planned. I hope that the lesson Prince learns is not that he should avoid Dallas, but that he should stick to doing concerts that pull in a wide audience as the MSG shows have done. And give us some remasters!

SCNDLS said:

RodeoSchro said:

All this just goes to show that the Super Bowl should always be held in cities like Miami, Phoenix and Los Angeles.

Just wait until they have a Super Bowl in New Jersey - in an OUTDOOR stadium.

I don't agree with that all. This was a freakish weather event. It was 76 degrees Friday and Saturday and 72 on Sunday in Dallas last week. Most of the country and ALL of the cities hosting the SB in the next 3 years were affected this week. Indy had over a foot of snow. Not to mention Miami had a monsoon in 2007 and it rained most of the week last year too. So, shit just happens.

And didn't ya'll get snow down in H-town, Rodeo???

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Nope, no snow. Just a lot of ice and frigid air.

I didn't say Houston should get another Super Bowl, either. We shouldn't. Our weather is almost as risky as Dallas'.

I'm saying, stay where the odds are the weather will be great. It less likely that Dallas will be 76 degrees in late January/early February than it will be 46 degrees.

And does ANYONE think New York City is going to be anything but freezing in 2014? Really?

RodeoSchro said:

SCNDLS said:

I don't agree with that all. This was a freakish weather event. It was 76 degrees Friday and Saturday and 72 on Sunday in Dallas last week. Most of the country and ALL of the cities hosting the SB in the next 3 years were affected this week. Indy had over a foot of snow. Not to mention Miami had a monsoon in 2007 and it rained most of the week last year too. So, shit just happens.

And didn't ya'll get snow down in H-town, Rodeo???

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Nope, no snow. Just a lot of ice and frigid air.

I didn't say Houston should get another Super Bowl, either. We shouldn't. Our weather is almost as risky as Dallas'.

I'm saying, stay where the odds are the weather will be great. It less likely that Dallas will be 76 degrees in late January/early February than it will be 46 degrees.

And does ANYONE think New York City is going to be anything but freezing in 2014? Really?

The problem with Dallas holding the Super Bowl is that, when we get bad weather in winter, there are no snowplows to deal with it. The local news said last night that all the snowplows in Dallas had to be imported from West Texas to deal with this storm. Also, the city has a policy of putting down sand rather than salt. Cities that get snow more regularly are prepared for this sort of thing. We weren't.

Front page of Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...ce_concert

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electricberet said:

RodeoSchro said:

Nope, no snow. Just a lot of ice and frigid air.

I didn't say Houston should get another Super Bowl, either. We shouldn't. Our weather is almost as risky as Dallas'.

I'm saying, stay where the odds are the weather will be great. It less likely that Dallas will be 76 degrees in late January/early February than it will be 46 degrees.

And does ANYONE think New York City is going to be anything but freezing in 2014? Really?

The problem with Dallas holding the Super Bowl is that, when we get bad weather in winter, there are no snowplows to deal with it. The local news said last night that all the snowplows in Dallas had to be imported from West Texas to deal with this storm. Also, the city has a policy of putting down sand rather than salt. Cities that get snow more regularly are prepared for this sort of thing. We weren't.

This has occured the last two winters. I've lived in North Texas for almost 20 years and the worst weather EVER has been in this February and last February. Aside from that it's usually cold a few days here and there in the winter but averages in the 50s/60s with several 70s and some 80s in the winter. That's the NORM, not what we've experience in the last year. The WHOLE country has had wacky weather these past two winters.

SCNDLS said:

electricberet said:

The problem with Dallas holding the Super Bowl is that, when we get bad weather in winter, there are no snowplows to deal with it. The local news said last night that all the snowplows in Dallas had to be imported from West Texas to deal with this storm. Also, the city has a policy of putting down sand rather than salt. Cities that get snow more regularly are prepared for this sort of thing. We weren't.

This has occured the last two winters. I've lived in North Texas for almost 20 years and the worst weather EVER has been in this February and last February. Aside from that it's usually cold a few days here and there in the winter but averages in the 50s/60s with several 70s and some 80s in the winter. That's the NORM, not what we've experience in the last year. The WHOLE country has had wacky weather these past two winters.

Well, you've been here a lot longer than me, so I won't argue with that. And the state and local governments don't have any money for snowplows. Maybe Jerry Jones could donate some?

nursev said:

Front page of Yahoo

http://www.yahoo.com/?fr=fptb-offrhap

Packers fan from Visa commercial misses first super bowl?!?

electricberet said:

SCNDLS said:

This has occured the last two winters. I've lived in North Texas for almost 20 years and the worst weather EVER has been in this February and last February. Aside from that it's usually cold a few days here and there in the winter but averages in the 50s/60s with several 70s and some 80s in the winter. That's the NORM, not what we've experience in the last year. The WHOLE country has had wacky weather these past two winters.

Well, you've been here a lot longer than me, so I won't argue with that. And the state and local governments don't have any money for snowplows. Maybe Jerry Jones could donate some?

He got it.

metallicjigolo said:

nursev said:

Front page of Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...ce_concert

Packers fan from Visa commercial misses first super bowl?!?

Hey

P just need 2 give a donation $$$$ to the foundation he will be paying it 4ward...and passing on

good Karma.....

them kids need that $$$ 4 school.....

he's good 4 it...

DIONNE99 said:

Hey

P just need 2 give a donation $$$$ to the foundation he will be paying it 4ward...and passing on

good Karma.....

them kids need that $$$ 4 school.....

he's good 4 it...

That would be nice. He's already going to be doing that kind of thing for some charitable organizations in New York. But he could do something more specific for the scholarship recipients who thought they were going to perform on the same stage with him: invite them to perform with him at another event. I don't know any of those students but it's pretty clear that they were devastated when the concert was cancelled:

http://blogs.dallasobserv..._after.php

I'm not saying he has any moral obligation to do this, but it would be a nice thing to do.

RodeoSchro said:

And does ANYONE think New York City is going to be anything but freezing in 2014? Really?

It was a balmy 45 in New York City today.

Wow...looks like I was wrong about this show not getting canceled LOL

Sucks for people who had tickets but shit happens. Not too many acts can get away with $1500 a ticket for a show in the middle of Nowhere I guess. If this were in NYC in a very small venue they might have pulled it off.

CrazyL said:

Wow...looks like I was wrong about this show not getting canceled LOL

Sucks for people who had tickets but shit happens. Not too many acts can get away with $1500 a ticket for a show in the middle of Nowhere I guess. If this were in NYC in a very small venue they might have pulled it off.

Middle of nowhere with nothing going but the biggest media event on the planet.

jone70 said:

RodeoSchro said:

And does ANYONE think New York City is going to be anything but freezing in 2014? Really?

It was a balmy 45 in New York City today.

LOL, it was 75 degrees and totally sunny in Houston yesterday.