purplecam said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Question: In this instance, should the people who didn't receive what they wanted, just be happy that you two got what you wanted?

Yes they should!

I'll bet one trip through the washing machine and that shirt became a hand puppet.

I totally agree with the above posts.

datdude said:

hollywooddove said:

I have and always will expect MORE from Prince, because he is a rare talent. I think it is fair to say, that through the changes of different styles and so forth, the least of us Prince fans can tell when he is goofing off and not living up to it.

I expect Prince to inspire me, and challenge me, but he can not do so with poorly thought out material. Why do I expect that? I expect that out of all good art, and Prince is a great artist when he applies himself, and his strangeness has always been a derivative of that in my opinion.

Has he spoiled me? Yes. And I thank him for it. I thank him by mindlessly buying every album he puts out. I am not looking for old sounding music, I never know what to expect when I get a new Prince cut, but it is that expectation that is exciting. And where there is an expectation, there will always be a doorway to exhuberation or disappointment. This is the nature of the beast.

herein lies the essence of the thread topic. there seems to be such subjectivity as to when this is; and honestly i find it kind of paternalistic to say so dogmatically WHEN this "occurs." it seems to be an argument levied at him whenever someone doesn't like an album (based on a genre, preference, disdain for spiritual content, etc.) as opposed to an honest critique. i'll say NPS and The Vault are times when i've "felt" this, (and to me The Vault's very title kinda gave it away as a contractual album) but as much as i may not prefer Chaos and Disorder, or as much as ppl dislike Planet Earth, or MPLS i wouldn't say in either case that he "mailed them in" or that they're "pure rubbish" (and such comments ABOUND on here; and hollywooddove i'm not saying from you in particular). So to have high expectations is a good thing but its the unbalanced, unbridled, venom, whining and nostalgia that imply he's made NOTHING worthwhile since the 80s that taints the vibe of the org, and more often than not that IS the predominant vibe here.

Exactly. It's not about a "Prince can do no wrong" attitude...it's just about recognizing that most bitching and moaning around here actually has little to do with Prince and his music.

skywalker said:

datdude said:

herein lies the essence of the thread topic. there seems to be such subjectivity as to when this is; and honestly i find it kind of paternalistic to say so dogmatically WHEN this "occurs." it seems to be an argument levied at him whenever someone doesn't like an album (based on a genre, preference, disdain for spiritual content, etc.) as opposed to an honest critique. i'll say NPS and The Vault are times when i've "felt" this, (and to me The Vault's very title kinda gave it away as a contractual album) but as much as i may not prefer Chaos and Disorder, or as much as ppl dislike Planet Earth, or MPLS i wouldn't say in either case that he "mailed them in" or that they're "pure rubbish" (and such comments ABOUND on here; and hollywooddove i'm not saying from you in particular). So to have high expectations is a good thing but its the unbalanced, unbridled, venom, whining and nostalgia that imply he's made NOTHING worthwhile since the 80s that taints the vibe of the org, and more often than not that IS the predominant vibe here.

Exactly. It's not about a "Prince can do no wrong" attitude...it's just about recognizing that most bitching and moaning around here actually has little to do with Prince and his music.

How would you know that? lmao. You guys are so fucking presumptuous about other people, it's sick. You. Do. Not. Know. People. Here. Like. That. So stop trying to diagnose people over the internet and just let them have their opinions. It doesn't hurt you in ANY WAY.

These opposing faction threads are so funny sometimes...has anyone heard of a moderate fan...or agreeing to disagree?

Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

Exactly. It's not about a "Prince can do no wrong" attitude...it's just about recognizing that most bitching and moaning around here actually has little to do with Prince and his music.

How would you know that? lmao. You guys are so fucking presumptuous about other people, it's sick. You. Do. Not. Know. People. Here. Like. That. So stop trying to diagnose people over the internet and just let them have their opinions. It doesn't hurt you in ANY WAY.

There's the answer to the OP's question.

Oops! I guess my question will go unanswered?

Graycap23 said:

Whiskas31 said:

Without trying to offend any Prince fans, i really believe we are the most spoilt and least appreciative of all fans.

[Edited 2/3/11 11:48am]

100% agree but constructive critic is a good thing.

The problem seems 2 be that a lot of folks just like 2 complain.

Yeah...about criticism!

Real, perceived, constructive, feigned and otherwise. To a whole lot of folks around here...any criticism of Prince is often viewed as dissin'...hatin'...and a call to arms.

purplethunder3121 said:

These opposing faction threads are so funny sometimes...has anyone heard of a moderate fan...or agreeing to disagree?

No one is aware of that term....Release the sticks out your asses guys. It'll feel sooo much better

lavender1983 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

These opposing faction threads are so funny sometimes...has anyone heard of a moderate fan...or agreeing to disagree?

No one is aware of that term....Release the sticks out your asses guys. It'll feel sooo much better

Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

Exactly. It's not about a "Prince can do no wrong" attitude...it's just about recognizing that most bitching and moaning around here actually has little to do with Prince and his music.

How would you know that? lmao. You guys are so fucking presumptuous about other people, it's sick. You. Do. Not. Know. People. Here. Like. That. So stop trying to diagnose people over the internet and just let them have their opinions. It doesn't hurt you in ANY WAY.

How would I know that most bitching an moaning at prince.org actually has little to do with Prince?

Look at what you and I just typed to/at each other!

Look at most of the exchanges around here.

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I agree 100% that some of his "fans" are far more critical than supportive. You tell him things he needs to be doing, all the wrong things he's done and then call yourself "die-hard fans"

skywalker said:

Spinlight said:

How would you know that? lmao. You guys are so fucking presumptuous about other people, it's sick. You. Do. Not. Know. People. Here. Like. That. So stop trying to diagnose people over the internet and just let them have their opinions. It doesn't hurt you in ANY WAY.

How would I know that most bitching an moaning at prince.org actually has little to do with Prince?

Look at what you and I just typed to/at each other!

Look at most of the exchanges around here.

[Edited 2/4/11 14:41pm]

Look at the entire thread. If it isn't bait, then what is it? Ask to discuss why people have their opinions? It's weird. People who constantly praise everything Prince does because they apparently just appreciate him that much are woefully intolerant of people who feel differently.

Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

How would I know that most bitching an moaning at prince.org actually has little to do with Prince?

Look at what you and I just typed to/at each other!

Look at most of the exchanges around here.

[Edited 2/4/11 14:41pm]

Look at the entire thread. If it isn't bait, then what is it? Ask to discuss why people have their opinions? It's weird. People who constantly praise everything Prince does because they apparently just appreciate him that much are woefully intolerant of people who feel differently.

I understand. I've been on MJ boards and you can't say ONE THING that isn't NICE about him or you are banned for life. I like the diversity of opinions because it shows that we are humans and not crazy fanatical fan boys and girls. WE"RE REAL. But I have an issue with people that constantly have something to pick on. They are never satisfied and act like they know what's best for his career and then they claim to be his biggest supporters and have all their albums and stuff. I'm like "you're not his advisor, so STFU". Those are people I can't stand.

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Maytiana said:

Spinlight said:

Look at the entire thread. If it isn't bait, then what is it? Ask to discuss why people have their opinions? It's weird. People who constantly praise everything Prince does because they apparently just appreciate him that much are woefully intolerant of people who feel differently.

I understand. I've been on MJ boards and you can't say ONE THING that isn't NICE about him or you are banned for life. I like the diversity of opinions because it shows that we are humans and not crazy fanatical fan boys and girls. WE"RE REAL. But I have an issue with people that constantly have something to pick on. They are never satisfied and act like they know what's best for his career and then they claim to be his biggest supporters and have all their albums and stuff. I'm like "you're not his advisor, so STFU". Those are people I can't stand.

LOL! We're better than his advisors. We're his customers! We...actually...happen to know a thing or two about what we like, want and appreciate. As well as what we don't like, don't want and don't appreciate!

It's the people who are supposedly completely satisfied that need to STFU. If they're so happy and content with everything, what someone else feels about it, wouldn't bother them so much.

The "negative" stuff that's being said about Prince NOW...by us "spoilt fans"...is child's play...compared to the "negative" shit that was being said about Prince back in the '80's!

If us "spoilt fans" had been as thinned skinned towards...any and all forms of criticism of Prince...as his so-called..."happy and content...satisfied fans"...of now-a-days are. His career...wouldn't have made it past "Dirty Mind"!

And that's the honest to God...TRUTH!!!

[Edited 2/4/11 18:46pm]

thedance said:

Whiskas31 said:

Why complain?

I complain because:

1) I am 1 who is feeling very un-satisfied with Prince releases post Warner Bros.

2) I miss the days with single releases, maxi singles - with extended versions, music videos etc etc..... and why don't we get any live downloads.

3) Prince could run his business in a far better way

Spoiled?

I just know everything was far better, the quality was far higher before he left WB!

Before the attacks on me comes:

I am still enjoying the old music 1978-1995, and also enjoying Prince concerts.... so I'm not leaving the org.

His recent albums are good, but not brilliant like the music used to be, imo.

I enjoy my freedom of speech, including this "critisizm" (spelled?).......

I'm not going to attack you for some great points on my post. Thanks!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

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Maytiana said:

I understand. I've been on MJ boards and you can't say ONE THING that isn't NICE about him or you are banned for life. I like the diversity of opinions because it shows that we are humans and not crazy fanatical fan boys and girls. WE"RE REAL. But I have an issue with people that constantly have something to pick on. They are never satisfied and act like they know what's best for his career and then they claim to be his biggest supporters and have all their albums and stuff. I'm like "you're not his advisor, so STFU". Those are people I can't stand.

LOL! We're better than his advisors. We're his customers! We...actually...happen to know a thing or two about what we like, want and appreciate. As well as what we don't like, don't want and don't appreciate!

It's the people who are supposedly completely satisfied that need to STFU. If they're so happy and content with everything, what someone else feels about it, wouldn't bother them so much.

The "negative" stuff that's being said about Prince NOW...by us "spoilt fans"...is child's play...compared to the "negative" shit that was being said about Prince back in the '80's!

If us "spoilt fans" had been as thinned skinned towards...any and all forms of criticism of Prince...as his so-called..."happy and content...satisfied fans"...of now-a-days are. His career...wouldn't have made it past "Dirty Mind"!

And that's the honest to God...TRUTH!!!

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Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

How would I know that most bitching an moaning at prince.org actually has little to do with Prince?

Look at what you and I just typed to/at each other!

Look at most of the exchanges around here.

[Edited 2/4/11 14:41pm]

Look at the entire thread. If it isn't bait, then what is it? Ask to discuss why people have their opinions? It's weird. People who constantly praise everything Prince does because they apparently just appreciate him that much are woefully intolerant of people who feel differently.

I hear you, but maintain that most complaining at this site has more to do with us (whether pro Prince, anti or whatever) than it does what Prince is actually doing/not doing. Myself included.