Prince - send me CD versions of Slaughterhouse, The Chocolate Invasion and Xpectation and we'll consider it even.

Se7en said:

Prince - send me CD versions of Slaughterhouse, The Chocolate Invasion and Xpectation and we'll consider it even.

Militant said:

LazarusHeart said:

But his flash based sites are atrocious and embarrassingly outdated feeling.

This is neither here nor there, but Flash on any device drains the power

considerably, and is quite clunky. Many will refute it, but Flash is going

the way of Sony Walkmen--it'll take a while but it's going to diminish

considerably in use.

And, as matter of opinion, the iPhone is simply unbeaten. It's more elegant,

and just cooler than any Android with an unbeaten App Store. But, again, opinion.

What's not opinion is that the potential reach of the App Store could

be a cash cow for Prince--It's insanely successful. There's simply no competition

out there to compare. Prince distributes his music at concerts, at Target, and

through Newspapers, so he should be accustomed to trying new methods.

Launching another interactive, flash-based crapsperiance ala lotusfailure is just the same old crap.

No way in hell is the iPhone cooler than the Droid-X or Nexus S. Even the G2 with it's brushed aluminium is way more awesome. Still, if you enjoy having to jailbreak in order to get functionality that either should have been there from the start, or Steve Jobs decided you shouldn't have, then by all means enjoy iOS.

Prince will embrace new tech and make a mobile app sooner or later, I'm almost positive.

Flash will eventually concede to the new WebM open video format that Google, Mozilla and Opera are all supporting. Too bad Apple seem to want to stick with lame ass proprietary H.264.

And in all my years of tech support, the ONLY people that have EVER had problems with flash are using OSX... .never had a single issue with Flash on Windows or Linux. go figure.

Yup, it's cooler than both.

As far as my 17 years of IT service, 11 of them involved software scripting

and distribution with only 50 computers out of 120,000 desktops being macs.

It's an unfair percentage of course, but we never had issues with macs.

The night before anything is pushed to PC desktops whether using

Novel's Zenworks or M/S's SMS, everyone always did a great deal

of praying.

And open source code on cellphones spells potential security disaster.

Apple products are just better. And of course, cooler.

Again, opinion.

[Edited 1/15/11 22:30pm]

I have a suggestion for those of you (on valium) who are so willing to DONATE your money to Prince:

Send 77$ my way. I won't send you anything in return.

See? It's the same as if Prince had a new swindle-club.

vitriol said:

I have a suggestion for those of you (on valium) who are so willing to DONATE your money to Prince:

Send 77$ my way. I won't send you anything in return.

See? It's the same as if Prince had a new swindle-club.

Do you accept PayPal?

I have said for years that Prince should just have a simple website with MUSIC, just lots and lots of music, to be purchased with just the click of a mouse, per song, per album or per live show.

It should be an easy to use website that offers the music at a fair price, with a decent customer service. It should contain as much as possible of all his officially released, as well as all of his unrelased music. It should also offer unedited soundboard recordings of many of his live shows.

It should not, I repeat not, contain anything else than that, other than a word of news every now and then. That means no 'exclusive memberships', no forums, no pictures of Prince in fancy cars and clothes, no coffee mugs or icehockey shirts, no flashy nonsense or floating jellyfishes in a purple universe, no religious mumbo jumbo, no nothing of that.

Just music man, nothing but loads and loads of great music. And a ticket service when there are shows.

--

[Edited 1/16/11 16:35pm]

If such site will be created, I think Prince is too compulsive to stay with this website project.

Most of creative people get bored easy with the same thing. Maybe that's why he is not touring because he doesn't want any pressure.

He wants to create his music, the only passion he was faithful to his entire life, IMO.

Se7en said:

Prince - send me CD versions of Slaughterhouse, The Chocolate Invasion and Xpectation and we'll consider it even.

Or at least offer stuff like that for sale on cd.

And no crappy mp3 burned to cd-r shite.

LazarusHeart said:

Yup, it's cooler than both.

As far as my 17 years of IT service, 11 of them involved software scripting

and distribution with only 50 computers out of 120,000 desktops being macs.

It's an unfair percentage of course, but we never had issues with macs.

The night before anything is pushed to PC desktops whether using

Novel's Zenworks or M/S's SMS, everyone always did a great deal

of praying.

And open source code on cellphones spells potential security disaster.

Apple products are just better. And of course, cooler.

Again, opinion.

[Edited 1/15/11 22:30pm]

Android's core apps are far superior. People want their smartphones to be as adept as possible when it comes to having great mobile versions of services they already use. Herein lies Apple's problems - they don't have any web services. You want incredible, native versions of Google Search, Google Translate, YouTube, Maps, Gtalk, Google Calendar, Google Earth, Picasa, Google Reader, Google Docs, you simply can't get these on iOS, or you get inferior versions with much less functionality. All services I used HEAVILY before I even started using Android, meaning that it was the logical solution.

Add in killer mobile-only apps to the mix like Google Navigation (with Street View) mode, Google Voice, Google Goggles, SkyMap, YouTube Leanback Remote, and it's an easy win. Furthermore, the word from within the music industry is that the upcoming Google Music is going to decimate iTunes in a very short space of time. Throw in complete convergence with forthcoming Android tablets like the Motorola XOOM, LG G-Slate, and other products like Google TV, and again - an easy win. Even Steve Jobs knows this, hence the raging anti Google rants he's been going on at internal Apple staff events. Android marketshare is already slapping iOS in the face.

Open source on cellphones is a potential security disaster? How so? I use Linux on my laptop. No security issues here. Android is a Linux based OS. Chrome is an open source browser and there's no security issues. Same with Firefox. Symbian is the most popular mobile OS in the world given it's dominance on featurephones, and it's open source too.

^^ I love my android phone, i was worried about it being different to the web i used at home, but it's almost exactly the same.

squirrelgrease said:

If those that joined feel they got their money's worth and not raw-dogged by a syphilitic donkey, then more power to them.

If I had a T-shirt to show for the time I paid $77 and got raw-dogged by a syphilitic donkey, I could see your analogy.

But, unlike Lotusflow3r.com, the donkey did not promise me a T-shirt. So, I don't think your analogy is valid.

OneMoJam said:

squirrelgrease said:

If those that joined feel they got their money's worth and not raw-dogged by a syphilitic donkey, then more power to them.

If I had a T-shirt to show for the time I paid $77 and got raw-dogged by a syphilitic donkey, I could see your analogy.

But, unlike Lotusflow3r.com, the donkey did not promise me a T-shirt. So, I don't think your analogy is valid.

Militant said:

LazarusHeart said:

Yup, it's cooler than both.

As far as my 17 years of IT service, 11 of them involved software scripting

and distribution with only 50 computers out of 120,000 desktops being macs.

It's an unfair percentage of course, but we never had issues with macs.

The night before anything is pushed to PC desktops whether using

Novel's Zenworks or M/S's SMS, everyone always did a great deal

of praying.

And open source code on cellphones spells potential security disaster.

Apple products are just better. And of course, cooler.

Again, opinion.

[Edited 1/15/11 22:30pm]

Android's core apps are far superior. People want their smartphones to be as adept as possible when it comes to having great mobile versions of services they already use. Herein lies Apple's problems - they don't have any web services. You want incredible, native versions of Google Search, Google Translate, YouTube, Maps, Gtalk, Google Calendar, Google Earth, Picasa, Google Reader, Google Docs, you simply can't get these on iOS, or you get inferior versions with much less functionality. All services I used HEAVILY before I even started using Android, meaning that it was the logical solution.

Add in killer mobile-only apps to the mix like Google Navigation (with Street View) mode, Google Voice, Google Goggles, SkyMap, YouTube Leanback Remote, and it's an easy win. Furthermore, the word from within the music industry is that the upcoming Google Music is going to decimate iTunes in a very short space of time. Throw in complete convergence with forthcoming Android tablets like the Motorola XOOM, LG G-Slate, and other products like Google TV, and again - an easy win. Even Steve Jobs knows this, hence the raging anti Google rants he's been going on at internal Apple staff events. Android marketshare is already slapping iOS in the face.

Open source on cellphones is a potential security disaster? How so? I use Linux on my laptop. No security issues here. Android is a Linux based OS. Chrome is an open source browser and there's no security issues. Same with Firefox. Symbian is the most popular mobile OS in the world given it's dominance on featurephones, and it's open source too.

Were you not the one JUST SAYING you hate people who spew opinions like they are fact? Practice what you preach. The point isn't to justify your opinion on what phone is better. The point is that he should have a presence in the App Store and this does not preclude him from having a presence in a Droid app. See that? It's called universality. Prince and his music should be UNIVERSAL. Not overly complicated, not difficult to purchase, not complicated to get what you paid for.

I understand, empathize with, and agree with your description of Prince's contribution to you being invaluable. I feel the same. However, that is because his music has helped me through some of the worst times a person could ever imagine to experience. Not because I jacked off to his stupid flower site or because I sat around listening to slow mo voices on an hour long radio show of music I really already had for the most part. If Prince is going to engage in an endeavor that commercializes his music in a way that is akin to making it a commodity, then he should be judged by the same standards any other shmuck sellin' something is.

Your fandom should not blind you to when you are being taken advantage of. The website's offerings were not even legitimate market value of $77. Your emotional bond to the LotusFlower website is nice, but that doesn't mean it is actually worth more than it is. It was a failed commercial endeavor, not merely an album you really appreciate.

Spinlight said:

Militant said:

Android's core apps are far superior. People want their smartphones to be as adept as possible when it comes to having great mobile versions of services they already use. Herein lies Apple's problems - they don't have any web services. You want incredible, native versions of Google Search, Google Translate, YouTube, Maps, Gtalk, Google Calendar, Google Earth, Picasa, Google Reader, Google Docs, you simply can't get these on iOS, or you get inferior versions with much less functionality. All services I used HEAVILY before I even started using Android, meaning that it was the logical solution.

Add in killer mobile-only apps to the mix like Google Navigation (with Street View) mode, Google Voice, Google Goggles, SkyMap, YouTube Leanback Remote, and it's an easy win. Furthermore, the word from within the music industry is that the upcoming Google Music is going to decimate iTunes in a very short space of time. Throw in complete convergence with forthcoming Android tablets like the Motorola XOOM, LG G-Slate, and other products like Google TV, and again - an easy win. Even Steve Jobs knows this, hence the raging anti Google rants he's been going on at internal Apple staff events. Android marketshare is already slapping iOS in the face.

Open source on cellphones is a potential security disaster? How so? I use Linux on my laptop. No security issues here. Android is a Linux based OS. Chrome is an open source browser and there's no security issues. Same with Firefox. Symbian is the most popular mobile OS in the world given it's dominance on featurephones, and it's open source too.

Were you not the one JUST SAYING you hate people who spew opinions like they are fact? Practice what you preach. The point isn't to justify your opinion on what phone is better. The point is that he should have a presence in the App Store and this does not preclude him from having a presence in a Droid app. See that? It's called universality. Prince and his music should be UNIVERSAL. Not overly complicated, not difficult to purchase, not complicated to get what you paid for.

I understand, empathize with, and agree with your description of Prince's contribution to you being invaluable. I feel the same. However, that is because his music has helped me through some of the worst times a person could ever imagine to experience. Not because I jacked off to his stupid flower site or because I sat around listening to slow mo voices on an hour long radio show of music I really already had for the most part. If Prince is going to engage in an endeavor that commercializes his music in a way that is akin to making it a commodity, then he should be judged by the same standards any other shmuck sellin' something is.

Your fandom should not blind you to when you are being taken advantage of. The website's offerings were not even legitimate market value of $77. Your emotional bond to the LotusFlower website is nice, but that doesn't mean it is actually worth more than it is. It was a failed commercial endeavor, not merely an album you really appreciate.

squirrelgrease said:

vitriol said:

I have a suggestion for those of you (on valium) who are so willing to DONATE your money to Prince:

Send 77$ my way. I won't send you anything in return.

See? It's the same as if Prince had a new swindle-club.

Do you accept PayPal?

Of course. But bear in mind you'll be automatically re-charged every year even if the site ceases operations.

So will your children when you die.

Spinlight said:

Militant said:

Android's core apps are far superior. People want their smartphones to be as adept as possible when it comes to having great mobile versions of services they already use. Herein lies Apple's problems - they don't have any web services. You want incredible, native versions of Google Search, Google Translate, YouTube, Maps, Gtalk, Google Calendar, Google Earth, Picasa, Google Reader, Google Docs, you simply can't get these on iOS, or you get inferior versions with much less functionality. All services I used HEAVILY before I even started using Android, meaning that it was the logical solution.

Add in killer mobile-only apps to the mix like Google Navigation (with Street View) mode, Google Voice, Google Goggles, SkyMap, YouTube Leanback Remote, and it's an easy win. Furthermore, the word from within the music industry is that the upcoming Google Music is going to decimate iTunes in a very short space of time. Throw in complete convergence with forthcoming Android tablets like the Motorola XOOM, LG G-Slate, and other products like Google TV, and again - an easy win. Even Steve Jobs knows this, hence the raging anti Google rants he's been going on at internal Apple staff events. Android marketshare is already slapping iOS in the face.

Open source on cellphones is a potential security disaster? How so? I use Linux on my laptop. No security issues here. Android is a Linux based OS. Chrome is an open source browser and there's no security issues. Same with Firefox. Symbian is the most popular mobile OS in the world given it's dominance on featurephones, and it's open source too.

Were you not the one JUST SAYING you hate people who spew opinions like they are fact? Practice what you preach. The point isn't to justify your opinion on what phone is better. The point is that he should have a presence in the App Store and this does not preclude him from having a presence in a Droid app. See that? It's called universality. Prince and his music should be UNIVERSAL. Not overly complicated, not difficult to purchase, not complicated to get what you paid for.

I understand, empathize with, and agree with your description of Prince's contribution to you being invaluable. I feel the same. However, that is because his music has helped me through some of the worst times a person could ever imagine to experience. Not because I jacked off to his stupid flower site or because I sat around listening to slow mo voices on an hour long radio show of music I really already had for the most part. If Prince is going to engage in an endeavor that commercializes his music in a way that is akin to making it a commodity, then he should be judged by the same standards any other shmuck sellin' something is.

Your fandom should not blind you to when you are being taken advantage of. The website's offerings were not even legitimate market value of $77. Your emotional bond to the LotusFlower website is nice, but that doesn't mean it is actually worth more than it is. It was a failed commercial endeavor, not merely an album you really appreciate.

I don't disagree with universality, of course not. And it IS a fact that Android's core, native web service apps are better than Apple's, because Apple have very little web presence and this is the direction that the mobile internet is going. Aside from that, different people obviously have different needs. But really, anything more than that is derailing the topic, admittedly partially my fault, so let's leave that discussion where it is or save it for it's own thread.

Prince should be judged by the same standards? But PRINCE never promised anything from Lotusflow3r. Scott Addison Clay was the one who did that interview that was full of "maybe this" and "potential for that". So I find it a little unfair to blame Prince for that. If my Xbox breaks down, I don't start hurling insults at the CEO of Microsoft. I'm a big Nine Inch Nails fan, and during the last tour they did before going on hiatus, they released a very good iPhone app, and Trent himself said there would be an Android version on the way, and I think he said a Blackberry version too. These apps never surfaced. Do you see me hurling insults at Trent for that? Michael Jackson had a site a few years back that was being maintained and ran by his brother Randy. As I recall, there were promises made and not delivered there too, and that site also closed doors early. Was that Michael's fault? Because I don't recall anyone slating him for that situation. I don't understand why some Prince fans want to hold him PERSONALLY responsible for everything. Prince gets slated LEFT AND RIGHT on these boards at times, and I straight up thinks it's rude and uncalled for in 99% of instances.

As for the website's value? SUBJECTIVE. Do you know how much Lotusflow3r cost on import here in the UK in major high street record stores? It was £40. At the current exchange rate, that's $63 just for the music. And it was a few weeks before they even stocked it. On average I pay about £15 for a T-Shirt from an artist I like. That's another $23 on the current exchange rate. So already, we're at $86. What about the access to tickets for the Leno shows and the Paisley Park show that was in November? I know people that went to both. There was little chance of getting into the Leno shows as a fan if you weren't a site member, and same with the PP gig. So, you can't even put a price on that, but hell, I know I'd pay a LOT more than $77 if I had the chance to get inside Paisley Park for a show like that. What about the rehearsal downloads? What about the footage that wasn't available anywhere else, like the DMSR pro-shot footage from the Musicology Tour, what about the unbroadcast Leno performance of 1999, what about "The Undertaker" which was never before available in a digital format at all? I own a DVD bootleg of "The Undertaker", and it cost me $15. So, now, JUST with the things we can put a specific value on, we're at $101. Not worth it? Your opinion. Not mine.

Militant said:

Spinlight said:

Were you not the one JUST SAYING you hate people who spew opinions like they are fact? Practice what you preach. The point isn't to justify your opinion on what phone is better. The point is that he should have a presence in the App Store and this does not preclude him from having a presence in a Droid app. See that? It's called universality. Prince and his music should be UNIVERSAL. Not overly complicated, not difficult to purchase, not complicated to get what you paid for.

I understand, empathize with, and agree with your description of Prince's contribution to you being invaluable. I feel the same. However, that is because his music has helped me through some of the worst times a person could ever imagine to experience. Not because I jacked off to his stupid flower site or because I sat around listening to slow mo voices on an hour long radio show of music I really already had for the most part. If Prince is going to engage in an endeavor that commercializes his music in a way that is akin to making it a commodity, then he should be judged by the same standards any other shmuck sellin' something is.

Your fandom should not blind you to when you are being taken advantage of. The website's offerings were not even legitimate market value of $77. Your emotional bond to the LotusFlower website is nice, but that doesn't mean it is actually worth more than it is. It was a failed commercial endeavor, not merely an album you really appreciate.

I don't disagree with universality, of course not. And it IS a fact that Android's core, native web service apps are better than Apple's, because Apple have very little web presence and this is the direction that the mobile internet is going. Aside from that, different people obviously have different needs. But really, anything more than that is derailing the topic, admittedly partially my fault, so let's leave that discussion where it is or save it for it's own thread.

Prince should be judged by the same standards? But PRINCE never promised anything from Lotusflow3r. Scott Addison Clay was the one who did that interview that was full of "maybe this" and "potential for that". So I find it a little unfair to blame Prince for that. If my Xbox breaks down, I don't start hurling insults at the CEO of Microsoft. I'm a big Nine Inch Nails fan, and during the last tour they did before going on hiatus, they released a very good iPhone app, and Trent himself said there would be an Android version on the way, and I think he said a Blackberry version too. These apps never surfaced. Do you see me hurling insults at Trent for that? Michael Jackson had a site a few years back that was being maintained and ran by his brother Randy. As I recall, there were promises made and not delivered there too, and that site also closed doors early. Was that Michael's fault? Because I don't recall anyone slating him for that situation. I don't understand why some Prince fans want to hold him PERSONALLY responsible for everything. Prince gets slated LEFT AND RIGHT on these boards at times, and I straight up thinks it's rude and uncalled for in 99% of instances.

As for the website's value? SUBJECTIVE. Do you know how much Lotusflow3r cost on import here in the UK in major high street record stores? It was £40. At the current exchange rate, that's $63 just for the music. And it was a few weeks before they even stocked it. On average I pay about £15 for a T-Shirt from an artist I like. That's another $23 on the current exchange rate. So already, we're at $86. What about the access to tickets for the Leno shows and the Paisley Park show that was in November? I know people that went to both. There was little chance of getting into the Leno shows as a fan if you weren't a site member, and same with the PP gig. So, you can't even put a price on that, but hell, I know I'd pay a LOT more than $77 if I had the chance to get inside Paisley Park for a show like that. What about the rehearsal downloads? What about the footage that wasn't available anywhere else, like the DMSR pro-shot footage from the Musicology Tour, what about the unbroadcast Leno performance of 1999, what about "The Undertaker" which was never before available in a digital format at all? I own a DVD bootleg of "The Undertaker", and it cost me $15. So, now, JUST with the things we can put a specific value on, we're at $101. Not worth it? Your opinion. Not mine.

So because you got in good on the exchange rate, it relinquishes Prince's responsibility to provide a sufficient product for the people whom the site/project were ostensibly aimed for (the US)?

For people here in the states, you could get LotusFlower for less than 10 dollars. The t shirt in question is a flimsy, unattractive (IMO) t shirt that one might pay about $15-20 for at a tour merch stall. Everything else that was not a free live video download was either broadcast on television in HD or was already released and circulated heavily for the past 15 years.

Tickets to the Leno show are not impossible to get and, in fact, I bet there were plenty of pedestrians in the audience who were not particular fans of Prince, but rather went there to see Leno. Tickets to talk shows are not impossible to get no matter the guest. I appreciate the easy access offered by the site, but preferred access to shows is a keystone of membership-run artist sites. You know this, from your experience in the business.

Again, you consistently conflate opinion and fact. Because YOU BELIEVE something to be true, you misconstrue this as fact (because, why else would you believe it? surely you wouldnt believe inaccurate "Facts", right?) and deem the opposing opinion to be uninformed. This is typical of someone who loudly proclaims they are so anti-opinion wars and then proceed to have them anyway. It's narrow-mindedness.

Spinlight said:

So because you got in good on the exchange rate, it relinquishes Prince's responsibility to provide a sufficient product for the people whom the site/project were ostensibly aimed for (the US)?

For people here in the states, you could get LotusFlower for less than 10 dollars. The t shirt in question is a flimsy, unattractive (IMO) t shirt that one might pay about $15-20 for at a tour merch stall. Everything else that was not a free live video download was either broadcast on television in HD or was already released and circulated heavily for the past 15 years.

Tickets to the Leno show are not impossible to get and, in fact, I bet there were plenty of pedestrians in the audience who were not particular fans of Prince, but rather went there to see Leno. Tickets to talk shows are not impossible to get no matter the guest. I appreciate the easy access offered by the site, but preferred access to shows is a keystone of membership-run artist sites. You know this, from your experience in the business.

Again, you consistently conflate opinion and fact. Because YOU BELIEVE something to be true, you misconstrue this as fact (because, why else would you believe it? surely you wouldnt believe inaccurate "Facts", right?) and deem the opposing opinion to be uninformed. This is typical of someone who loudly proclaims they are so anti-opinion wars and then proceed to have them anyway. It's narrow-mindedness.

THat's not what I said. Prince's fanbase is worldwide. The site was available worldwide. The physical CD was only available in the States. The project was not just aimed at the US. That was the point of the digital option. To provide a better deal so fans wouldn't have to splash out for a digital import where all of the markup was going to the importer and not to Prince. "Released and circulated heavily"? I'm willing to bet there were more than a few people that had never seen Undertaker before. Plus, some people are opposed to bootlegs. And the pro-shot "DMSR" footage and the Leno "1999" clip and at least a couple of others were never before seen and never broadcast. So there goes that argument.

I know that talk show tickets are not IMPOSSIBLE to get, but like you said - easy access. And of course this type of thing is common on membership sites - that's the point. You want that early or sometimes exclusive access, you join the site. It's that simple. So you really can't put a price on that thing. Like I said before, there are PLENTY of people who would absolutely pay more than $77 for access to shows at Paisley Park and elsewhere. So again, it's completely subjective. For some people it's worth it. For some people, maybe not. But you can bet that the people who do enjoy the opportunity are gonna get frustrated when the vocal minority who are displeased, make so much fuss that it contributes to the closing of the site and the firing of the person who created it.

As for your last paragraph, you consistently make completely inaccurate judgments about me, so it's whatever. I don't know you, you don't know me, but you should probably know that I care very little about whether you think I'm narrow-minded since it has absolutely no bearing on my life whatsoever. #

If you honestly believe that your interpretation of the VERY SMALL FRACTION of my personality that manifests itself on internet posts, largely about ONE topic, on ONE website, is enough to quantify me as being "narrow-minded" and quantifies you to label things I do as being "typical" of this or that, then, frankly, you have my deepest sympathies and I very much hope that these quick judgments aren't a consistent aspect

of your character.

no way! i love it when he plays difficult, half the fun is hunting stuff down & keeping it fresh & impulsive. tres exciting!

DoffieParker said:

no way! i love it when he plays difficult, half the fun is hunting stuff down & keeping it fresh & impulsive. tres exciting!

Just so long as you are not too disappointed when you do manage to track stuff down.

These days Prince has no web site at all.

What a waste.

He could make so many people happy and make so much money.

Apparantly not ok

TheDigitalGardener said:

DoffieParker said:

no way! i love it when he plays difficult, half the fun is hunting stuff down & keeping it fresh & impulsive. tres exciting!

Just so long as you are not too disappointed when you do manage to track stuff down.

never! not on ure nelly

DoffieParker said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Just so long as you are not too disappointed when you do manage to track stuff down.

never! not on ure nelly

Not on your nelly, it's a long time since i heard that.

TheDigitalGardener said:

DoffieParker said:

never! not on ure nelly

Not on your nelly, it's a long time since i heard that.

Vendetta1 said:

OneMoJam said:

If I had a T-shirt to show for the time I paid $77 and got raw-dogged by a syphilitic donkey, I could see your analogy.

But, unlike Lotusflow3r.com, the donkey did not promise me a T-shirt. So, I don't think your analogy is valid.

Co-

vitriol said:

squirrelgrease said:

Do you accept PayPal?

Of course. But bear in mind you'll be automatically re-charged every year even if the site ceases operations.

So will your children when you die.

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I agree with the posters that said he needs to go super simple. Once or twice a year, upload an album to iTunes. Prince get paid, Apple deals with the delivery/bandwidth/infrastructure, and the fans get the music. Maybe stick up a video now and then. We'll pay a buck or two for something if its good. Or, perish the though, put up a whole concert. No fance jellyfish animation, no secret handshake, no meandering through Prince's stupid virtual house to get to something. Do the songs sound any better or worse if you didn't have to look at pictures of his dog first?

Then Prince should march his ass down to Best Buy or Office Depot and buy an email management program. One of his employees could maintain a list of people who are "fans" that would pay to get presale access. When he comes to their town, send out an email with the password and give the email addresses to ticketmaster.

There, the fans are happy cuz we get two albums and some other goodies a few times a year, and we get presale access to the concerts.

Prince is happy, he's making more money via iTunes than on his own shifty websites, he doesn't have to hire a PR firm, a computer guy or anything like that. The employees he already has can handle it.

When he drops these hypothetical albums twice a year, he sends out a press release and does a TV appearance or two to get the word out, and voila, he's sold a few thousand albums.

Don't reinvent the wheel. It's a simple buyer and seller deal.

My $0.02

Chas

Chas, a LOT of musicians, ESPECIALLY independent ones like Prince, don't like iTunes.

Why? Well first of all, you don't get any metric data on sales. No list of email addresses of fans who bought your album for your database. No geographical sales breakdown except for country, which is useless.

Secondly, Apple take what is perceived to be an unfair cut. 35% of each song and album sale. Their service isn't anywhere NEAR good enough to justify that. You think Prince is ready to give away 35% of each sale for no reason? HELLLLLLLL NO! Why should he?

Thirdly, you play by THEIR rules in terms of how much promotion you get. If you want song of the week, album of the week, track of the day, or whatever fucking promotions they offer these days, it's up to them to make the call, and you better kiss some ass to get it. I've heard this directly from major label execs themselves. They all hate the system and having to bend to Apple's will. You think Prince is gonna bend to ANYONE's will for good promotion? Nope.

Fourthly - Apple won't pay Prince upfront for iTunes sales. Target will, and did. The Daily Mail will, and did. The Daily Mirror will, and did. Rolling Stone will, and DID. Fans will, and did. So why exactly should Prince go with iTunes again? When as soon as the album is released, people are gonna stick it on blogs and torrents for free, and reduce Prince's income from sales? Upfront payments means Prince doesn't give a fuck about people bootlegging it. He got paid. The downside is that he (arguably) doesn't give a fuck about promotion either. He got paid.

It doesn't matter anyway though, because iTunes is about to get decimated by Google Music. And unlike Apple, who happened to stumble into being part of the music industry (Oh, all the MP3 player hardware on the market sucks, we'll make one of our own!), Google actually give a damn about doing it right, and already have all the major labels more impressed with their service than Apple, and willing to help them out. I'm going off topic now though so I'll stop and get back to the point - iTunes is laughable to Prince and rightly so. It's laughable to me, and he sells a lot more records than I do

^^ how come you always know exactly what Prince thinks?

A while ago he stated just ONE reason for not liking Itunes and that was that they don't want to pay him an advance. None of those other reasons you mentioned.

Why should they pay him an advance for records that have already been produced and released and for which he already was paid an advance? Why should they, when they don't pay anybody an advance? Why should they when a normal record store doesn't pay anybody advances either?

Does Prince produce anything for Apple on commission? Are there any specific production or distribution costs Prince has to make in order for Apple to put his music on their site? No, no, no. Nothing. All he needs to do is grant them permission. But all he does is grant that for only a little music, only a few albums and songs, when has loads, simply because he wants to be paid upfront.

Money, money, money. Pay me big time upfront or you get no 'candy'. The main reason why there is so little Prince music legally available on the net, is Prince himself.

I won't be joining any new Prince site.. never. ever.

After the crystal ball and lotus failures......