chiltonmusic said:

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

The fact that you can't even spell bigot tells me a lot about you.

Dismissed.

chiltonmusic said:

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

You really should not mix politics with Christianity. God is not on the side of the Left or the Right

treniselove said:

ScottRob said:

"bigot" - a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

This is, in mere definition, a description of the majority of you scripture reading loons. To be honest i was speaking about jehova's, not all christians - but fine, you can lump them all together if you want.

i'm sure you'd agree that it's bigotry to be intolerant of someone's race or the colour of their skin? Well it's just the same for their sexuality or being a person "on the left" - no matter what your silly man-made book might say. That's not just an opinion, but a human right, and a law, made by real people (not non-sensical deities) in most forward-thinking parts of this world. Ironically, i see no love or concern in your response - besides, if i'm misguided, surely you can forgive me?

i on the other hand, am intolerant of arrogant ignorance,....oh, and bad grammar.

Ok why can't you accept Christians belief instead of calling them scripture reading loons. They have an opinion as well. So you need to chill.

The Bible has warrants for both slavery and genocide...if you don't believe in this type of scripture, then you're simply not a Christian. I wonder how this fits in to Prince's version of The Truth?

OldFriends4Sale said:

chiltonmusic said:

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

You really should not mix politics with Christianity. God is not on the side of the Left or the Right

What God are you talking about about? Zeus, Apollo, Buddha, Wotan? And, if not these, where's your authority for saying they are no less valid?

Tough 'ain't it?

pald1 said:

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

I'm left-minded AND a Christian. Don't generalize, that's too close to bigotry in itself. I'm a Christian Democrat and I believe in EVERYONE's right to life and how the individual lives it. I wonder how uncomfortable you are now that your crude generalization was just slammed. and "bigot" has one "g".

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[Edited 1/10/11 8:16am]

Why label yourself a Christian Democrat. What's wrong with just Democrat? Surely the two are antithetical. There's absolutely NOTHING democratic about Christianity. It's one of the last few totalitiatian myths us primates have yet to emanicpate ourselves from. Talk about making things hard for yourself.

Christianity isn't Republican or Democratic. I don't know why people think Jesus sides with their laws.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pald1 said:

Why label yourself a Christian Democrat. What's wrong with just Democrat? Surely the two are antithetical. There's absolutely NOTHING democratic about Christianity. It's one of the last few totalitiatian myths us primates have yet to emanicpate ourselves from. Talk about making things hard for yourself.

Christianity isn't Republican or Democratic. I don't know why people think Jesus sides with their laws.

Not really an answer I'm afraid....

pald1 said:

treniselove said:

Ok why can't you accept Christians belief instead of calling them scripture reading loons. They have an opinion as well. So you need to chill.

The Bible has warrants for both slavery and genocide...if you don't believe in this type of scripture, then you're simply not a Christian. I wonder how this fits in to Prince's version of The Truth?

Sorta.

The problem is that too many people add Genesis - Revelations as all one thing. the Levitical code was only written for the Hebrew/Jewish people. And only certain aspects continued into the new covenant the Jesus instituted. But I understand what your saying.

pald1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Christianity isn't Republican or Democratic. I don't know why people think Jesus sides with their laws.

Not really an answer I'm afraid....

I wasn't really contradicting you, just agreeing but adding on.

I'm saying I agree that they are just Democratic or Republican.

pald1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

You really should not mix politics with Christianity. God is not on the side of the Left or the Right

What God are you talking about about? Zeus, Apollo, Buddha, Wotan? And, if not these, where's your authority for saying they are no less valid?

Tough 'ain't it?

I'm talking in the frame of Christianity. I wouldn't bring up any of those others because the topic is dealing with a Jehovahs Witness / Christian theology. So no Zues & Buddah wouldn't need to be discussed;-) I think you misread my statement as a disagreement or arguement with u

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OldFriends4Sale said:

pald1 said:

The Bible has warrants for both slavery and genocide...if you don't believe in this type of scripture, then you're simply not a Christian. I wonder how this fits in to Prince's version of The Truth?

Sorta.

The problem is that too many people add Genesis - Revelations as all one thing. the Levitical code was only written for the Hebrew/Jewish people. And only certain aspects continued into the new covenant the Jesus instituted. But I understand what your saying.

'Sorta' don't cut it I'm afraid.

You can't pick and choose, a la carte. I would venture to say that you don't think Genesis should be included because you have an outlook of someone living in the 21st century. Your moral understanding of right and wrong has been informed by post-enlightenment thinking. Unlike, say, the 10th century, we understand that human enslavement is wrong because of the hard-won battles of many philosophers and otehr thinkers who have battled against texts (mostly religious) that promotes such views. The fact is, the bible says slavery and genocide is ok. Sadly, there are many people who still can't emancipate themselves from this bronze-age, primitive thinking.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pald1 said:

What God are you talking about about? Zeus, Apollo, Buddha, Wotan? And, if not these, where's your authority for saying they are no less valid?

Tough 'ain't it?

I'm talking in the frame of Christianity. I wouldn't bring up any of those others because the topic is dealing with a Jehovahs Witness / Christian theology. So no Zues & Buddah wouldn't need to be discussed;-) I think you misread my statement as a disagreement or arguement with u

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Of course you are. The religious brain simply can't compute when asked to juggle. You're an athiest just like me, except that I believe in one less god (and I'm less hypocrtical of course).

pald1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking in the frame of Christianity. I wouldn't bring up any of those others because the topic is dealing with a Jehovahs Witness / Christian theology. So no Zues & Buddah wouldn't need to be discussed;-) I think you misread my statement as a disagreement or arguement with u

Of course you are. The religious brain simply can't compute when asked to juggle. You're an athiest just like me, except that I believe in one less god (and I'm less hypocrtical of course).

Actually I find it hard to have conversations when too many divergent ideas get thrown in without prior consent. I find we/I get no where because too many different train of thoughts come in. Now if it's a conversation about this religious idea versus another, then it's laid out that that's what we are going to do.

What am I hypocritical about?

I study Greek & Roman religion culture and theology so I don't have a problem dealing with that. A lot of my artwork revolves around it. Egyptian Norse Hopi and many others. So no I don't have a problem juggling it. I think like to get to a conclusion quick. When I was 18 I had no problem, at 38 I just don't have the time. lol

vainandy said:

chiltonmusic said:

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

He is considering that he's a closet queen in denial himself.

LOL!!

pald1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sorta.

The problem is that too many people add Genesis - Revelations as all one thing. the Levitical code was only written for the Hebrew/Jewish people. And only certain aspects continued into the new covenant the Jesus instituted. But I understand what your saying.

'Sorta' don't cut it I'm afraid.

You can't pick and choose, a la carte. I would venture to say that you don't think Genesis should be included because you have an outlook of someone living in the 21st century. Your moral understanding of right and wrong has been informed by post-enlightenment thinking. Unlike, say, the 10th century, we understand that human enslavement is wrong because of the hard-won battles of many philosophers and otehr thinkers who have battled against texts (mostly religious) that promotes such views. The fact is, the bible says slavery and genocide is ok. Sadly, there are many people who still can't emancipate themselves from this bronze-age, primitive thinking.

Again, it we are going to discuss a topic or idea within the bible. It has to be understood within that framework. Pulling in Australian aboriginal religious ideas would just distract or hold up getting to a conclusion quickly.

The bible in itself isn't 1 book. And in that book God dealt with people differently at the same time. Example Abraham & Job were in the same time period/time frame. Gods dealing and requirements for Abraham were not the same for Job, 2 different covenants. What was required of Moses & King David was not required of by Abraham Isaac Jacob, nor Peter John or Thomas(12 disciple).

That's what I mean by sorta. Christianity was never supposed to be a 'national government' not a sword and shield army. Never so laws about slavery and genocide wouldn't apply in that way.

But back to the anti-gay thing. the original word(s) terms that too many now refere to meaning gay or homosexual in the bible had nothing to do with sexual orientation. I can pull it up later, but the word was in reference to temple prostitutes ie sodom(ites)

My arguement with Christians that say the bible says homosexuality is wrong have to go back to where they originally base that idea on, and in the Levitical code it never says anything about it being a sin or abomination for a woman to lie with a woman. And the Levitical code(Ceremonial laws) is very detailed very detailed. So the question would be is it wrong for 2 men but ok for 2 women it that passage is dealing with sexual orientation.

funkyhead said:

purplecam said:

Why does everyone care about where Prince's head is with this? Prince is going to do a concert that helps some kind of charity. PERIOD. Whatever his motives are, they are his. It's none of your business or mine. I'm just glad he's doing something like this at all. And while you worry about Prince and his motive for doing this or if he's anti-gay or not, why don't you contribute to a charity of your choice and do your part to make society a little bit better than it is now.

too many assumptions in your reply!. The topic is a perfectly valid one, you only have to go back to that awful comment he made to Wendy a few years back to 'get' why this is relevant and certainly interesting.

Um, who said the topic wasn't relevant? I'm dealing with reality, you are the one assuming stuff that you don't know anything about. Hell I don't know what's up with it and I don't really care. And if what was said to Wendy and Lisa was true, then it is what it is and God will deal with him, not me but if they felt that strongly about it, why would they keep on talking about him on TV, radio or the internet? They could easily say "next question" or ask that he's not talked about. Why would they work with him years after he allegedly said those things? Maybe it's all about money for them too but you would NEVER dog W & L for that now would you?

Whatever the deal, the truth remains that Prince is doing this charity show and that is a good thing. Well, I would like to think that it's a good thing but judging from this thread, I guess Prince doing anything good doesn't mean shit around here. Prince will always be "The Big Bad Meanie", that all of y'all just can't seem to stop talking about or even entering a fansite for whether u talk about him or not, which is guilt by association. I'm reminded of why I stopped coming here on a regular basis.

Oh and pardon me while I laugh at y'all! I'm glad I don't have to pay $13 for this shit!

OldFriends4Sale said:

pald1 said:

Of course you are. The religious brain simply can't compute when asked to juggle. You're an athiest just like me, except that I believe in one less god (and I'm less hypocrtical of course).

Actually I find it hard to have conversations when too many divergent ideas get thrown in without prior consent. I find we/I get no where because too many different train of thoughts come in. Now if it's a conversation about this religious idea versus another, then it's laid out that that's what we are going to do.

What am I hypocritical about?

I study Greek & Roman religion culture and theology so I don't have a problem dealing with that. A lot of my artwork revolves around it. Egyptian Norse Hopi and many others. So no I don't have a problem juggling it. I think like to get to a conclusion quick. When I was 18 I had no problem, at 38 I just don't have the time. lol

This all went straight past my bat I'm afraid. Lose the BS and then we can talk.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pald1 said:

'Sorta' don't cut it I'm afraid.

You can't pick and choose, a la carte. I would venture to say that you don't think Genesis should be included because you have an outlook of someone living in the 21st century. Your moral understanding of right and wrong has been informed by post-enlightenment thinking. Unlike, say, the 10th century, we understand that human enslavement is wrong because of the hard-won battles of many philosophers and otehr thinkers who have battled against texts (mostly religious) that promotes such views. The fact is, the bible says slavery and genocide is ok. Sadly, there are many people who still can't emancipate themselves from this bronze-age, primitive thinking.

Again, it we are going to discuss a topic or idea within the bible. It has to be understood within that framework. Pulling in Australian aboriginal religious ideas would just distract or hold up getting to a conclusion quickly.

The bible in itself isn't 1 book. And in that book God dealt with people differently at the same time. Example Abraham & Job were in the same time period/time frame. Gods dealing and requirements for Abraham were not the same for Job, 2 different covenants. What was required of Moses & King David was not required of by Abraham Isaac Jacob, nor Peter John or Thomas(12 disciple).

That's what I mean by sorta. Christianity was never supposed to be a 'national government' not a sword and shield army. Never so laws about slavery and genocide wouldn't apply in that way.

But back to the anti-gay thing. the original word(s) terms that too many now refere to meaning gay or homosexual in the bible had nothing to do with sexual orientation. I can pull it up later, but the word was in reference to temple prostitutes ie sodom(ites)

My arguement with Christians that say the bible says homosexuality is wrong have to go back to where they originally base that idea on, and in the Levitical code it never says anything about it being a sin or abomination for a woman to lie with a woman. And the Levitical code(Ceremonial laws) is very detailed very detailed. So the question would be is it wrong for 2 men but ok for 2 women it that passage is dealing with sexual orientation.

All very good reasons why the text is so discrepant and unreliable. Quick question: can you actually see this? Or do you think it's not the case? Or do you just choose to ignore? I'm interested to know how the religious mind works.

chiltonmusic said:

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

i just love how 'christians' fight like crazy to make sure every baby is born.. and then dont treat them equally if they dont fit into their brainwashed mold.

i dont have to know what the word biggot / hate / discrimination / inequality mean, i LIVE it.

i cant get married to the person ive been with for 10 years, but more than half of heteros can go get married and end up leaving eachother. enough said.

all those devout christians should go form their OWN country somewhere else.

keep your religion out of my life.

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chiltonmusic said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not think he was ever anti-gay. He may have voiced his disapproval of some aspects of the lifestyle, but that is not the same thing as being anti-gay.

Nor is be opposed to same sex marriages. It just not the same thing. Might it feel the same to those at the other end of the words? I suppose it very well could but that is not the motive.

I assure you that being opposed to gay marriage is absolutely anti-gay.

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

Am I the only one that thinks P is picking and choosing what he feels is 'right' in the JW way of life? If the $ is there, he may not care. I don't expect that P would perform at an all homosexual venue or am I wrong? There are some JW's that are homosexual, there just has to be [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/3.gif[/img:$uid]

purplecam said:

funkyhead said:

too many assumptions in your reply!. The topic is a perfectly valid one, you only have to go back to that awful comment he made to Wendy a few years back to 'get' why this is relevant and certainly interesting.

Um, who said the topic wasn't relevant? I'm dealing with reality, you are the one assuming stuff that you don't know anything about. Hell I don't know what's up with it and I don't really care.

Whatever the deal, the truth remains that Prince is doing this charity show and that is a good thing.

Well, I would like to think that it's a good thing but judging from this thread, I guess Prince doing anything good doesn't mean shit around here. Prince will always be "The Big Bad Meanie", that all of y'all just can't seem to stop talking about or even entering a fansite for whether u talk about him or not, which is guilt by association. I'm reminded of why I stopped coming here on a regular basis.

Oh and pardon me while I laugh at y'all! I'm glad I don't have to pay $13 for this shit!

& that boys and girls is the point, it is being done for 'charity' ...

Prince is gayer than most gays...needs 2 cum out the purple closet hes hiding in

Optimus2 said:

Prince is gayer than most gays...needs 2 cum out the purple closet hes hiding in

lol, and we have many pics to prove it!

... here we go again with the labels, boring, so boring. I like Wendy & Lisa's conclusion of Prince being 'fancy lesbian', which I was ROTFL when I read / heard that.

Optimus2 said:

Prince is gayer than most gays...needs 2 cum out the purple closet hes hiding in

Optimus2 said:

Prince is gayer than most gays...needs 2 cum out the purple closet hes hiding in

[img:$uid]http://oi37.tin.../img:$uid]

Maybe you haven’t noticed, but Prince is hardly the most devout member of his religion. JW’s are also supposed to stay out of secular matters, especially politics, but Prince seems just about incapable of that these days.

purplecam said:

funkyhead said:

too many assumptions in your reply!. The topic is a perfectly valid one, you only have to go back to that awful comment he made to Wendy a few years back to 'get' why this is relevant and certainly interesting.

Um, who said the topic wasn't relevant? I'm dealing with reality, you are the one assuming stuff that you don't know anything about. Hell I don't know what's up with it and I don't really care. And if what was said to Wendy and Lisa was true, then it is what it is and God will deal with him, not me but if they felt that strongly about it, why would they keep on talking about him on TV, radio or the internet? They could easily say "next question" or ask that he's not talked about. Why would they work with him years after he allegedly said those things? Maybe it's all about money for them too but you would NEVER dog W & L for that now would you?

Whatever the deal, the truth remains that Prince is doing this charity show and that is a good thing. Well, I would like to think that it's a good thing but judging from this thread, I guess Prince doing anything good doesn't mean shit around here. Prince will always be "The Big Bad Meanie", that all of y'all just can't seem to stop talking about or even entering a fansite for whether u talk about him or not, which is guilt by association. I'm reminded of why I stopped coming here on a regular basis.

Oh and pardon me while I laugh at y'all! I'm glad I don't have to pay $13 for this shit!

And this guy just owned you all.....why? Common sense.

I also can't believe the labels and stereotyping a lot of you are coming out with. "I have pix that prove he's gay" what, you have pix of Prince visibly intimate with another male? No. You have pictures of Prince doing his own unique thing and you hit it with a stereotype label.

And i can't believe we have a gay man here who groups his "fellow members" and calls himself and other homosexual men as "Queens". Some of you need to check yourselves.