Wow, I am astounded that P is perfoming for the George Michael and Kenny Goss art foundation, really didn't realise it was their foundation! http://www.gossmichaelfou...org/about/

Anyway I just think it's great that he's doing it and hopefully shows that he maybe getting back to the old more free thinking P that we know and love. Yes I know he maybe getting paid a tonne of $ but I would have thought the JWs' would frown upon it.

Is it too soon to say welcome back Prince!

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yes, it's too soon

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

From what I've seen, Prince does not discriminate when it comes to getting paid.

Genesia said:

From what I've seen, Prince does not discriminate when it comes to getting paid.

Genesia said:

From what I've seen, Prince does not discriminate when it comes to getting paid.

Too true. Besides, if you don't pay him, you're not a true fan. Wonder how many morons sign up to his next website...?

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

chiltonmusic said:

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

agreed

Genesia said:

From what I've seen, Prince does not discriminate when it comes to getting paid.

The big invisible superhero daddy plays second fiddle to the almighty dollar.

chiltonmusic said:

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

I'm left-minded AND a Christian. Don't generalize, that's too close to bigotry in itself. I'm a Christian Democrat and I believe in EVERYONE's right to life and how the individual lives it. I wonder how uncomfortable you are now that your crude generalization was just slammed. and "bigot" has one "g".

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Money doesn't see discrimination

talking of the gig wouldn't it be amazing if P and G performed live. Just pray that P doesn't lecture G beforehand lol !

NouveauDance said:

Genesia said:

From what I've seen, Prince does not discriminate when it comes to getting paid.

The big invisible superhero daddy plays second fiddle to the almighty dollar.

...i am starting to get pissed off with all this ..prince's be all and end all is money?......dont you think he could have earned a lot more during his career than the path he has taken since purple rain made him the biggest pop/rock star on the planet ?...of course money is important to him in the capitalist society we live in...has it is to all of us...but he has done many things to show that money is NOT the driving force for him....around the world in a day album....name me another artist who has released an album as weird and as different from a previously massive album as artwiad was from purple rain?...and released it 9 months after it?....i am amazed that of all the things warners and prince fought over....warners ALLOWED him to release artwiad so soon after pr as pr was still selling and it was normal practise to allow 2 or 3 years to pass between a big selling artists albums....him trying to release triple albums....dirty mind album after the 'safe' prince album...leaving warners and the corporate music machine and basically making himself backlisted by most big radio stations to be completely 'free' ....having limited releases of his albums like rainbow children...planet earth....lotusflower and 20ten instead of putting them out worldwide that would generate more money for him...

.

for me...his art has always been above how much money he can make....

NouveauDance said:

Genesia said:

From what I've seen, Prince does not discriminate when it comes to getting paid.

The big invisible superhero daddy plays second fiddle to the almighty dollar.

could it be that P is doing this for free?....nah!

blackbob said:

NouveauDance said:

The big invisible superhero daddy plays second fiddle to the almighty dollar.

...i am starting to get pissed off with all this ..prince's be all and end all is money?......dont you think he could have earned a lot more during his career than the path he has taken since purple rain made him the biggest pop/rock star on the planet ?...of course money is important to him in the capitalist society we live in...has it is to all of us...but he has done many things to show that money is NOT the driving force for him....around the world in a day album....name me another artist who has released an album as weird and as different from a previously massive album as artwiad was from purple rain?...and released it 9 months after it?....i am amazed that of all the things warners and prince fought over....warners ALLOWED him to release artwiad so soon after pr as pr was still selling and it was normal practise to allow 2 or 3 years to pass between a big selling artists albums....him trying to release triple albums....dirty mind album after the 'safe' prince album...leaving warners and the corporate music machine and basically making himself backlisted by most big radio stations to be completely 'free' ....having limited releases of his albums like rainbow children...planet earth....lotusflower and 20ten instead of putting them out worldwide that would generate more money for him...

.

for me...his art has always been above how much money he can make....

The operative phrase in your rant. You don't know any more about what actually motivates Prince than anyone else on this thread.

chiltonmusic said:

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

"bigot" - a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

This is, in mere definition, a description of the majority of you scripture reading loons. To be honest i was speaking about jehova's, not all christians - but fine, you can lump them all together if you want.

i'm sure you'd agree that it's bigotry to be intolerant of someone's race or the colour of their skin? Well it's just the same for their sexuality or being a person "on the left" - no matter what your silly man-made book might say. That's not just an opinion, but a human right, and a law, made by real people (not non-sensical deities) in most forward-thinking parts of this world. Ironically, i see no love or concern in your response - besides, if i'm misguided, surely you can forgive me?

i on the other hand, am intolerant of arrogant ignorance,....oh, and bad grammar.

I do not think he was ever anti-gay. He may have voiced his disapproval of some aspects of the lifestyle, but that is not the same thing as being anti-gay.

Nor is be opposed to same sex marriages. It just not the same thing. Might it feel the same to those at the other end of the words? I suppose it very well could but that is not the motive.

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

chiltonmusic said:

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

I'm left-minded AND a Christian. Don't generalize, that's too close to bigotry in itself. I'm a Christian Democrat and I believe in EVERYONE's right to life and how the individual lives it. I wonder how uncomfortable you are now that your crude generalization was just slammed. and "bigot" has one "g".

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But you did generalize (despite my spelling of the word Bigot). You called Prince and JW's hypocrites Bigots. Those are your words not mine. If you have really read the bible or a "Watchtower" like you say you have then you would know its not a book of prejudice but of judgement and redemption. I am sure you in all your "left minded" christian glory and infinite wisdom feel its your duty to re-write scripture to fit you particular needs and ideals.

Well I will pass and stick with the written word and its wisdom as its been passed down over the ages not your "left mindedness"

And though you corrected my typo you didn't answer the question that I asked:

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage?

Why does everyone care about where Prince's head is with this? Prince is going to do a concert that helps some kind of charity. PERIOD. Whatever his motives are, they are his. It's none of your business or mine. I'm just glad he's doing something like this at all. And while you worry about Prince and his motive for doing this or if he's anti-gay or not, why don't you contribute to a charity of your choice and do your part to make society a little bit better than it is now.

chiltonmusic said:

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

I'm left-minded AND a Christian. Don't generalize, that's too close to bigotry in itself. I'm a Christian Democrat and I believe in EVERYONE's right to life and how the individual lives it. I wonder how uncomfortable you are now that your crude generalization was just slammed. and "bigot" has one "g".

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But you did generalize (despite my spelling of the word Bigot). You called Prince and JW's hypocrites Bigots. Those are your words not mine. If you have really read the bible or a "Watchtower" like you say you have then you would know its not a book of prejudice but of judgement and redemption. I am sure you in all your "left minded" christian glory and infinite wisdom feel its your duty to re-write scripture to fit you particular needs and ideals.

Well I will pass and stick with the written word and its wisdom as its been passed down over the ages not your "left mindedness"

And though you corrected my typo you didn't answer the question that I asked:

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage?

But you did generalize (despite my spelling of the word Bigot). You called Prince and JW's hypocrites Bigots. Those are your words not mine. If you have really read the bible or a "Watchtower" like you say you have then you would know its not a book of prejudice but of judgement and redemption. I am sure you in all your "left minded" christian glory and infinite wisdom feel its your duty to re-write scripture to fit you particular needs and ideals.

Not my words dude. Take a look at what you're looking at. None of my text said anyone was a bigot. Nor did I make claim to have read Watchtower(I have read the Bible by the way, several times in my life). Again, I'm sorry if I've again burst your bubble but you need to be sure of whom you're speaking to before you reply. Read all of the posts my good man before you start your ranting. You're anger is directed to a post not posted by me.

Peace.

ScottRob said:

chiltonmusic said:

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

"bigot" - a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

This is, in mere definition, a description of the majority of you scripture reading loons. To be honest i was speaking about jehova's, not all christians - but fine, you can lump them all together if you want.

i'm sure you'd agree that it's bigotry to be intolerant of someone's race or the colour of their skin? Well it's just the same for their sexuality or being a person "on the left" - no matter what your silly man-made book might say. That's not just an opinion, but a human right, and a law, made by real people (not non-sensical deities) in most forward-thinking parts of this world. Ironically, i see no love or concern in your response - besides, if i'm misguided, surely you can forgive me?

i on the other hand, am intolerant of arrogant ignorance,....oh, and bad grammar.

But you are being a bigot because you are no better than the people who are "bigoted"

See what kills me about people of you ilk is you actually think you are on some sort of mental and spiritual level higher than everyone who actually takes the time to study their beliefs and has the conviction to stand by them. Trust me you aren't not even close. You just decide what you are going to love and hate just like everyone else nothing more and nothing less.

i'm sure you'd agree that it's bigotry to be intolerant of someone's race or the colour of their skin

No I don't agree. I don't equate sexuality with race and I don't equate behavior with race ever. I don't believe that we are born into our sexuality never have. I believe that is a choice. I do believe and will fight for people to have that choice

No I don't agree. I don't equate sexuality with race and I don't equate behavior with race ever. I don't believe that we are born into our sexuality (not totally anyway) and I never have. I believe that is a choice and quite frankly there is no HARD SCIENTIFIC FACT to dispute this. Despite your MAN MADE BELIEFS to the contrary.

This is, in mere definition, a description of the majority of you scripture reading loons. To be honest i was speaking about jehova's, not all christians - but fine, you can lump them all together if you want.

Sure there is plenty I disagree with in the JW's and the Catholics and the Baptist and the United Methodist the list goes on. BUT I try to center all my beliefs on where they may differ on scripture. I still respect their beliefs and their desire to practice their faith as they see fit. I don't have to call them names are disrespect them just I defend them just like I defend a gay persons right to live openly and honestly. I don't have to call them "Loons" just like I don't engage in racial slurs or anti gay slurs.

Ironically, i see no love or concern in your response - besides, if i'm misguided, surely you can forgive me?

i on the other hand, am intolerant of arrogant ignorance,....oh, and bad grammar.

Now this is actually funny. There isn't a lick of mean spiritedness in my response nor insults, yet you call me ignorant and make fun of a typo (which is really immature but if that's making your day for you enjoy). Hmm whose not showing love? Surely in your vast expanse of spiritual knowledge you have gained in just living your life everyday you see that you are being a bit petty and immature right? Surely you see you are being a bit aggressive with someone expressing a different opinion right? I am going to guess you don't.

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

chiltonmusic said:

But you did generalize (despite my spelling of the word Bigot). You called Prince and JW's hypocrites Bigots. Those are your words not mine. If you have really read the bible or a "Watchtower" like you say you have then you would know its not a book of prejudice but of judgement and redemption. I am sure you in all your "left minded" christian glory and infinite wisdom feel its your duty to re-write scripture to fit you particular needs and ideals.

Well I will pass and stick with the written word and its wisdom as its been passed down over the ages not your "left mindedness"

And though you corrected my typo you didn't answer the question that I asked:

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage?

But you did generalize (despite my spelling of the word Bigot). You called Prince and JW's hypocrites Bigots. Those are your words not mine. If you have really read the bible or a "Watchtower" like you say you have then you would know its not a book of prejudice but of judgement and redemption. I am sure you in all your "left minded" christian glory and infinite wisdom feel its your duty to re-write scripture to fit you particular needs and ideals.

Not my words dude. Take a look at what you're looking at. None of my text said anyone was a bigot. Nor did I make claim to have read Watchtower(I have read the Bible by the way, several times in my life). Again, I'm sorry if I've again burst your bubble but you need to be sure of whom you're speaking to before you reply. Read all of the posts my good man before you start your ranting. You're anger is directed to a post not posted by me.

Peace.

You keep saying burst my bubble? What Bubble? I hate comments like that. Anyway you are right I don't know how I ended up post this to you and not ScottRob with whom I am having a debate with right now. As that is who I thought I was talking to. I am actually think I got it straightened out now.

First of all, he loves money. Also, the bitch knows he fucked up with some of his statements in that magazine a few years ago that ruffled a lot of feathers. I don't think he realized how many of us he has as fans (I know I didn't) and he doesn't want to lose their future money either.

chiltonmusic said:

ScottRob said:

Please read just one issue of the Watchtower, or look at the JW's view on gay marriage, before you come to the conclusion that Prince is open-minded. The fact that he's doing this gig only serves the purpose of proving that he is a hypocrite as well as a bigot.

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

He is considering that he's a closet queen in denial himself.

blackbob said:

NouveauDance said:

The big invisible superhero daddy plays second fiddle to the almighty dollar.

...i am starting to get pissed off with all this ..prince's be all and end all is money?......dont you think he could have earned a lot more during his career than the path he has taken since purple rain made him the biggest pop/rock star on the planet ?...of course money is important to him in the capitalist society we live in...has it is to all of us...but he has done many things to show that money is NOT the driving force for him....around the world in a day album....name me another artist who has released an album as weird and as different from a previously massive album as artwiad was from purple rain?...and released it 9 months after it?....i am amazed that of all the things warners and prince fought over....warners ALLOWED him to release artwiad so soon after pr as pr was still selling and it was normal practise to allow 2 or 3 years to pass between a big selling artists albums....him trying to release triple albums....dirty mind album after the 'safe' prince album...leaving warners and the corporate music machine and basically making himself backlisted by most big radio stations to be completely 'free' ....having limited releases of his albums like rainbow children...planet earth....lotusflower and 20ten instead of putting them out worldwide that would generate more money for him...

.

for me...his art has always been above how much money he can make....

Oops.

Honestly I don't care enough about this topic to give a point by point reply, but suffice to say I don't think the be all and end all of P's motivation is money. - he also likes

purplecam said:

Why does everyone care about where Prince's head is with this? Prince is going to do a concert that helps some kind of charity. PERIOD. Whatever his motives are, they are his. It's none of your business or mine. I'm just glad he's doing something like this at all. And while you worry about Prince and his motive for doing this or if he's anti-gay or not, why don't you contribute to a charity of your choice and do your part to make society a little bit better than it is now.

too many assumptions in your reply!. The topic is a perfectly valid one, you only have to go back to that awful comment he made to Wendy a few years back to 'get' why this is relevant and certainly interesting.

NouveauDance said:

blackbob said:

...i am starting to get pissed off with all this ..prince's be all and end all is money?......dont you think he could have earned a lot more during his career than the path he has taken since purple rain made him the biggest pop/rock star on the planet ?...of course money is important to him in the capitalist society we live in...has it is to all of us...but he has done many things to show that money is NOT the driving force for him....around the world in a day album....name me another artist who has released an album as weird and as different from a previously massive album as artwiad was from purple rain?...and released it 9 months after it?....i am amazed that of all the things warners and prince fought over....warners ALLOWED him to release artwiad so soon after pr as pr was still selling and it was normal practise to allow 2 or 3 years to pass between a big selling artists albums....him trying to release triple albums....dirty mind album after the 'safe' prince album...leaving warners and the corporate music machine and basically making himself backlisted by most big radio stations to be completely 'free' ....having limited releases of his albums like rainbow children...planet earth....lotusflower and 20ten instead of putting them out worldwide that would generate more money for him...

.

for me...his art has always been above how much money he can make....

Oops.

Honestly I don't care enough about this topic to give a point by point reply, but suffice to say I don't think the be all and end all of P's motivation is money. - he also likes

i think he has done enough in the past to show that money is not everything to him....if it was...he wouldnt be half as interesting as he is...and i wouldnt be as big an admirer of his music...if i want to listen to artists who are almost purely driven by money...i would go listen to madonna.....if prince was all about money....around the world in a day would never have seen the light of day....he would have waited two years then released purple rain mark 2 which would have sold millions......but he didnt......yes i know it was 25 years ago but it still shows his art is more important to him.....he has done plenty of career moves since then that show it.....could you imagine michael jackson ..madonna or springsteen releasing jazz funk albums or piano albums...he has released albums that took him to the very top commerically and he has released albums that didnt even chart...prince is one of the few true musical artists ...yes he can be a dick but that doesnt take away anything from his amazing journey...

ScottRob said:

chiltonmusic said:

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

"bigot" - a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

This is, in mere definition, a description of the majority of you scripture reading loons. To be honest i was speaking about jehova's, not all christians - but fine, you can lump them all together if you want.

i'm sure you'd agree that it's bigotry to be intolerant of someone's race or the colour of their skin? Well it's just the same for their sexuality or being a person "on the left" - no matter what your silly man-made book might say. That's not just an opinion, but a human right, and a law, made by real people (not non-sensical deities) in most forward-thinking parts of this world. Ironically, i see no love or concern in your response - besides, if i'm misguided, surely you can forgive me?

i on the other hand, am intolerant of arrogant ignorance,....oh, and bad grammar.

Ok why can't you accept Christians belief instead of calling them scripture reading loons. They have an opinion as well. So you need to chill.

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

chiltonmusic said:

He is neither hypocrite or biggot. Just because Christians don't condone gay marriage doesn't mean that we aren't supposed to express love and concern for our fellow man. Maybe you should pay attention to what is written in scripture as it pertains to sins and redemption.

Would Prince be a biggot if he said he didn't condone heterosexuals living together as oppossed to marriage? No but he would be speaking on scripture. I am uncomfortable with people on the left trying to characterize Christians as biggots. Quite frankly I don't think most of you know what that word means.

I'm left-minded AND a Christian. Don't generalize, that's too close to bigotry in itself. I'm a Christian Democrat and I believe in EVERYONE's right to life and how the individual lives it. I wonder how uncomfortable you are now that your crude generalization was just slammed. and "bigot" has one "g".

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Why label yourself a Christian Democrat. What's wrong with just Democrat? Surely the two are antithetical. There's absolutely NOTHING democratic about Christianity. It's one of the last few totalitiatian myths us primates have yet to emanicpate ourselves from. Talk about making things hard for yourself.