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Reply #30 posted 01/31/03 3:53pm

Supernova

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lovemachine said:

Mr7 said:

The Most Beautiful Girl was a number one hit in the UK and Europe ... are you seriously suggesting that Prince purchased all those copies? I think not.

If so, why didn't he pull the same stunt with the subsequent singles he has released independently?

Prince had a massive worldwide hit. Accept it, don't try and take it away from him.

The song was a massive pop anthem. It had 'hit' written all over it.

'Empty Room' has the potential, particularly in Europe. I don't think that Prince's reputation has anything to do with his lack of commercial impact, it is simply the nature of the material he is choosing to release.

The WB released 'Best Of' was a Top 10 Album Chart hit in the UK. The general public purchased it because it had accesible, commercial material on it.


For the record TMGITW only hit number 2 in the US and it was mostly because Billboard had changed their rules where sales and airplay were equal factors in determining what was a hit.

Not true at all. Since the advent of Soundscan in 1991 airplay has not been a factor in chart position.

Yes, it has been clearly explained by Uptown and others that Prince indeed did have a lot to do with the sales because he PRINTED so many copies (before soundscan). This is why they were literally EVERYWHERE Prince was. They were selling singles for as low as 25 cents in the NPG store in Uptown.


The reason that Prince didn't do this for all singles is that it would be insane to lose that much money with every release. Prince was just trying to prove a point to WB.

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[This message was edited Fri Jan 31 11:53:40 PST 2003 by lovemachine]

Yeahhh...
[This message was edited Fri Jan 31 15:54:10 PST 2003 by Supernova]
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Reply #31 posted 01/31/03 4:30pm

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Supernova said:


Not true at all. Since the advent of Soundscan in 1991 airplay has not been a factor in chart position.




Ummm...You don't know what you are talking about.

Click on this link to look at the current top 100 billboard singles:

http://www.billboard.com/...hot100.jsp

Then scroll down to the bottom of the page and read this:

Chart Key:

The most popular singles & tracks compiled from a national sample of Broadcast Data Systems radio playlists and retail store, mass merchant and Internet sales reports collected, compiled, and provided by Nielsen SoundScan.




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Reply #32 posted 01/31/03 4:39pm

Supernova

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lovemachine said:

Supernova said:


Not true at all. Since the advent of Soundscan in 1991 airplay has not been a factor in chart position.




Ummm...You don't know what you are talking about.

Click on this link to look at the current top 100 billboard singles:

http://www.billboard.com/...hot100.jsp

Then scroll down to the bottom of the page and read this:

Chart Key:

The most popular singles & tracks compiled from a national sample of Broadcast Data Systems radio playlists and retail store, mass merchant and Internet sales reports collected, compiled, and provided by Nielsen SoundScan.




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[This message was edited Fri Jan 31 16:30:23 PST 2003 by lovemachine]

Uh, dude, why so defense? Somebody piss in your cornflakes?

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20020215.html

The switch to SoundScan data more than a decade ago drastically altered the Billboard charts. Whereas before the charts had been compiled from dubious data delivered by radio stations and record stores, SoundScan provided an uncompromising retail x-ray of music-buying America. Lots of established acts (payola-propped stalwarts who, in fact, weren't so established) lost out to breakout bands in genres like hip-hop, metal, and country.
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Reply #33 posted 01/31/03 4:54pm

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Ah! My mistake; you're talking about SINGLES. OK. I was thinking about albums.

The Billboard singles chart is a combination of Soundscan AND Broadcast Data Systems when talking about SINGLES. Therein lies the difference. Pardon moi.
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Reply #34 posted 02/01/03 1:41am

jnoel

"Pardon moi" Supernova speaks french! love
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Reply #35 posted 02/01/03 8:48am

wellbeyond

I actually think "When You Were Mine" from ONA Live would make a great single...imagine hearing that jacked-up drumming then hearing Prince say "I dare you to sit down on this one..." coming out of your car radio...lol... and his guitar playing at the end is so damn energetic...great melody...and the "explosion" at the very end...

Could work...
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Reply #36 posted 02/01/03 12:37pm

Mr7

For the record TMGITW only hit number 2 in the US and it was mostly because Billboard had changed their rules where sales and airplay were equal factors in determining what was a hit.

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My response refered only to the UK and European Charts not the US Billboard. 'For the record' I made that quite clear.

And of course ... it must be true if 'Uptown' wrote it. 'Uptown' has never made an error ...
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