robinhood said:

KingSausage said:

if you tried telling me that I wouldn't have a Prince album months after it was released. The fact that I have not yet heard 20ten is crazy. This is Prince, my favorite. I never thought it would come to this!

when fans bootleg his music, use his image and symbol without consent, trash him and his websites on the internet, what do you expect?

granted, that may have nothing to do with his recent business decisions, but i dont blame him for doing things his own way,

through media that gladly accepts him and his work, without all the harsh negativity and blatant disregard for his rights as an artist.

he made a choice to make his money independently from his fan-base. he got paid what he wanted, without all the gripes, he got his music into the hands of a lot of people, without having to listen to any disrespect,

and now he's doing a tour to support all that, to crowds who are enjoying themselves without complaint.

when he first hit it big as an artist, he sold records. people bootlegged his music. then he went on the net and tried releasing music there.

his internet endeavors invited all sorts of degrading criticism, violation of his rights, and an almost constant slew of harassment from all angles.

he retaliated legally on all counts and was critisized for doing so. he was called a 'tyrant', a 'small and pathetic man', a 'sheister and con-man',

and told repeatedly that his music 'sucks', is 'garbage', that his websites are 'hideous', and that 'all he cares about is money'.

he has every justifiable right to localize his music releases in whatever domain he likes and get paid with respect for his artistry.

he has every right to hold off on a US CD release until the mood and timing is right to co-incide with his upcoming shows.

he has every right to not have his CD in shops, every right to do as he pleases, every right to walk away from his fan-base, and every right to return to it when it pleases.

what he does with his music is the only aspect of his life in which he has any true freedom. let him have it.

Head so far up..... it must be like performing a colonoscopy.

robinhood said:

Spinlight said:

lol. You've got to be kidding me.

Prince has given his fans the finger for decades.

Decades.

who started it?

when was the very first instance where prince gave his fans the finger, entirely unprovoked?

when were his fans sitting round doing nothing illegal at all, and prince just decided to give them the finger?

we could say, 'well he deserves to be treated that way cuz thats karma for the music he has stolen from other people, the musicians he has ripped and credited himself with all the work, the disrespect with which he has treated many people throughtout his career, what goes around comes around and if he's too stupid to figure that out then what difference does it make what we do?'...

and we could say that and have half a valid point. but it would be totally beside the point.

everyone here knows there is no law stating that it is OK to bootleg his work, breach his copyrights, alter his artwork, use his image and likeness, without his consent, or slander him.

some might say he doesnt sell as many records as he could because he's been forced into a narrow corner of release methods, and he's been forced into that corner by his fans. forced to localize his releases and get paid up front, to ensure that 1. he receives proper payment and 2. his music gets into people's hands, in a legitimate way.

i will happily retract everything i've said if you can provide me one instance, the very first instance, where prince just decided, for no apparent good reason, for no good legal reason, to give his fans the finger.

Actually, his fanbase was pretty loyal and rabid despite his early mishaps and even through more disastrous ones like Crystal Ball, the NPGMC, and LotusFlower's website. Prince's loyal fans (ie those who stuck around) that trade(d) bootleg material have never simply stolen from him and its naive to suggest that. Not to mention the fact that even if Prince were to release it and the fans already owned 8 copies, they'd now own a 9th.

re:promoting bootlegs

ok well sure there are "laws" for all sorts of things. funny thing is that people who follow the law do many illegal things with the law. people who break the law are sometimes doing good. as for bootlegs i find the whole debate absurd. when i was a kid i taped music off the radio for free. or taped music from my friends or taped music i had for my friends. that was how i heard about the music and became interested. record companies tried to gouge music fans by selling cds of supposed "higher" quality for almost double the price. they tried to put anti copying codes on the music so you couldnt copy it. now they gouge music fans by selling mp3s that are not only more expensive than the old 45 but sound like shit. now the record companies are all bankrupt and out of business. the fact is that all these rediculous efforts to prevent "fans from stealing music" have destroyed the music industry. people sharing copies or bootlegs were always the lifeblood of music promotion. bands like phish and the grateful dead made more money from touring from buzz garnered from people trading bootlegs than they ever did from their mediocre records. if those bands found a way to fine or jail people for bootlegs those bands would be dirt broke right now and likely unknown.

the only reason prince has any fan interest anymore is because of bootlegs. if all we got was his lame post wb output, he'd have washed up long ago. his newer music is not strong enuf to support his lifestyle. if he was smart he would sell his bootlegs himself. without bootlegs most people would not have heard his b sides or out takes .. in fact most people would think of him as much as say cyndi lauper or duran duran .. a fun 80s band but certainly not the musical genius prince is regarded as. without access to the depth of what prince brings there is no opportunity for prince.org types who are constantly analyzing and speculating and creating a buzz over live concerts and unreleased music. this BUZZ it what causes the few people who buy his new records to actually purchase the record. the record itself is mediocre at best and to be quite honest, is not worthy of payment. many bootleg collectors happily buy the same GOOD tracks over and over and over, whether from bootleg labels or prince himself. prince should appreciate that fans tape his shows and dig up outtakes and release them. its the only reason he can garner an advance on any new release or sell out a huge stadium. prince constantly depletes his returns the more he tries to stifle word of mouth and the file sharing promotion organism.

and people who wont listen to bootlegs are just programmed by record companies. there is nothing wrong with enjoying a live concert tape or hearing music prior to purchase via a copy, download, in a club or via your friends purchased copy. if the new music cd is good, people will not only buy it but encourage friends to buy it or even buy it as a gift for friends. if the music is bad people will just shelve it and wait for the next one. if they are forced to spend money on it they may not buy the next cd and will feel resentful at spending money on a subpar product and will likely send a lot of negative word of mouth around.

TrevorAyer said:

re:promoting bootlegs

ok well sure there are "laws" for all sorts of things. funny thing is that people who follow the law do many illegal things with the law. people who break the law are sometimes doing good. as for bootlegs i find the whole debate absurd. when i was a kid i taped music off the radio for free. or taped music from my friends or taped music i had for my friends. that was how i heard about the music and became interested. record companies tried to gouge music fans by selling cds of supposed "higher" quality for almost double the price. they tried to put anti copying codes on the music so you couldnt copy it. now they gouge music fans by selling mp3s that are not only more expensive than the old 45 but sound like shit. now the record companies are all bankrupt and out of business. the fact is that all these rediculous efforts to prevent "fans from stealing music" have destroyed the music industry. people sharing copies or bootlegs were always the lifeblood of music promotion. bands like phish and the grateful dead made more money from touring from buzz garnered from people trading bootlegs than they ever did from their mediocre records. if those bands found a way to fine or jail people for bootlegs those bands would be dirt broke right now and likely unknown.

the only reason prince has any fan interest anymore is because of bootlegs. if all we got was his lame post wb output, he'd have washed up long ago. his newer music is not strong enuf to support his lifestyle. if he was smart he would sell his bootlegs himself. without bootlegs most people would not have heard his b sides or out takes .. in fact most people would think of him as much as say cyndi lauper or duran duran .. a fun 80s band but certainly not the musical genius prince is regarded as. without access to the depth of what prince brings there is no opportunity for prince.org types who are constantly analyzing and speculating and creating a buzz over live concerts and unreleased music. this BUZZ it what causes the few people who buy his new records to actually purchase the record. the record itself is mediocre at best and to be quite honest, is not worthy of payment. many bootleg collectors happily buy the same GOOD tracks over and over and over, whether from bootleg labels or prince himself. prince should appreciate that fans tape his shows and dig up outtakes and release them. its the only reason he can garner an advance on any new release or sell out a huge stadium. prince constantly depletes his returns the more he tries to stifle word of mouth and the file sharing promotion organism.

and people who wont listen to bootlegs are just programmed by record companies. there is nothing wrong with enjoying a live concert tape or hearing music prior to purchase via a copy, download, in a club or via your friends purchased copy. if the new music cd is good, people will not only buy it but encourage friends to buy it or even buy it as a gift for friends. if the music is bad people will just shelve it and wait for the next one. if they are forced to spend money on it they may not buy the next cd and will feel resentful at spending money on a subpar product and will likely send a lot of negative word of mouth around.

you make some valid points but i disagree with prince being considered a genius because of bootlegs. Other then maybe a few tracks, most of his best work has been released on official albums like Sign, 1999, Purple Rain, TGE etc. Thats why he is considered genius

i hear ya .. but when I think back to the 80's, even as a huge prince fan, he didn't have much more impact than the other 80's artists, in fact after kiss he really started to fade from superstar status quick. songs like sign o the times and if i were ur girlfriend were his best work but people don't know him for those songs, in fact i would say people are more familiar with cyndi laupers true colors or duran duran notorious, view to a kill, reflex, than they are with prince output beyond purple rain raspberry beret and kiss. even madonna had huge hits on songs far worse than sign era. my point being that some people caught on, bought the b-sides, time, vanity, sheila e etc.. bootlegs .. all that ... and prince, among fans, became described as such a super genius that the sentiment carried over to popular opinion. BUT that is not the case with other 80's artists. even michael jackson and madonna dont get described that way. most people see prince now as a super genius who has sucked for the last 20 years. but he still gets super genius status .. people dont buy prince records anymore more because of hits or because of the songs being good. they buy them hoping for some of that old super genius music. its all reputation.

why? not because of "lets go crazy" and "kiss" were sooooo good .. no, its because people dug deeper and were blown away and talked about it and even the casual listener was made aware that his genius went far beyond the hits. other bands had more hits at the time but faded to obscurity when the era ended.

TrevorAyer said:

i hear ya .. but when I think back to the 80's, even as a huge prince fan, he didn't have much more impact than the other 80's artists, in fact after kiss he really started to fade from superstar status quick. songs like sign o the times and if i were ur girlfriend were his best work but people don't know him for those songs, in fact i would say people are more familiar with cyndi laupers true colors or duran duran notorious, view to a kill, reflex, than they are with prince output beyond purple rain raspberry beret and kiss. even madonna had huge hits on songs far worse than sign era. my point being that some people caught on, bought the b-sides, time, vanity, sheila e etc.. bootlegs .. all that ... and prince, among fans, became described as such a super genius that the sentiment carried over to popular opinion. BUT that is not the case with other 80's artists. even michael jackson and madonna dont get described that way. most people see prince now as a super genius who has sucked for the last 20 years. but he still gets super genius status .. people dont buy prince records anymore more because of hits or because of the songs being good. they buy them hoping for some of that old super genius music. its all reputation.

why? not because of "lets go crazy" and "kiss" were sooooo good .. no, its because people dug deeper and were blown away and talked about it and even the casual listener was made aware that his genius went far beyond the hits. other bands had more hits at the time but faded to obscurity when the era ended.

I agree that to the casual listener he's more known for kiss and purple rain then for sign.

However make no mistake about it, Sign gave prince massive critical acclaim. He was repeatedly described as a genius for this album and infact this album is largely responsible for prince being described as a genius. I do agree that the b sides and unreleased tracks have kept fans intersted for years and still keep fans interested. I think P being described as a genius is a combination of his fans descriptions and the critical acclaim that he got- especially from sign.

NouveauDance said:

robinhood said:

when fans bootleg his music, use his image and symbol without consent, trash him and his websites on the internet, what do you expect?

granted, that may have nothing to do with his recent business decisions, but i dont blame him for doing things his own way,

through media that gladly accepts him and his work, without all the harsh negativity and blatant disregard for his rights as an artist.

he made a choice to make his money independently from his fan-base. he got paid what he wanted, without all the gripes, he got his music into the hands of a lot of people, without having to listen to any disrespect,

and now he's doing a tour to support all that, to crowds who are enjoying themselves without complaint.

when he first hit it big as an artist, he sold records. people bootlegged his music. then he went on the net and tried releasing music there.

his internet endeavors invited all sorts of degrading criticism, violation of his rights, and an almost constant slew of harassment from all angles.

he retaliated legally on all counts and was critisized for doing so. he was called a 'tyrant', a 'small and pathetic man', a 'sheister and con-man',

and told repeatedly that his music 'sucks', is 'garbage', that his websites are 'hideous', and that 'all he cares about is money'.

he has every justifiable right to localize his music releases in whatever domain he likes and get paid with respect for his artistry.

he has every right to hold off on a US CD release until the mood and timing is right to co-incide with his upcoming shows.

he has every right to not have his CD in shops, every right to do as he pleases, every right to walk away from his fan-base, and every right to return to it when it pleases.

what he does with his music is the only aspect of his life in which he has any true freedom. let him have it.

Head so far up..... it must be like performing a colonoscopy.

i dunno. i think robinhood makes some good points there....

by mistake I googled ...strictly by mistake mind you and heard it.

rar

KingSausage said:

if you tried telling me that I wouldn't have a Prince album months after it was released. The fact that I have not yet heard 20ten is crazy. This is Prince, my favorite. I never thought it would come to this!

HEAR, HEAR! Finally some common sense here. Thank You. Where were you a couple of months ago? I started a similar thread and some people refused to accept the truth: Prince CANNOT release his new music in the USA... and that's sad, dangerous and pathetic.

But if you ask me, all these problems started back in 1996...the excellent distribution/promotional campaign of Musicology/3121 and even Planet Earth was just a mirage...

JoeTyler said:

KingSausage said:

if you tried telling me that I wouldn't have a Prince album months after it was released. The fact that I have not yet heard 20ten is crazy. This is Prince, my favorite. I never thought it would come to this!

HEAR, HEAR! Finally some common sense here. Thank You. Where were you a couple of months ago? I started a similar thread and some people refused to accept the truth: Prince CANNOT release his new music in the USA... and that's sad, dangerous and pathetic.

But if you ask me, all these problems started back in 1996...the excellent distribution/promotional campaign of Musicology/3121 and even Planet Earth was just a mirage...

I'd recommend Prince not talk about Chemtrails on TV anymore.

Spinlight said:

JoeTyler said:

HEAR, HEAR! Finally some common sense here. Thank You. Where were you a couple of months ago? I started a similar thread and some people refused to accept the truth: Prince CANNOT release his new music in the USA... and that's sad, dangerous and pathetic.

But if you ask me, all these problems started back in 1996...the excellent distribution/promotional campaign of Musicology/3121 and even Planet Earth was just a mirage...

I'd recommend Prince not talk about Chemtrails on TV anymore.

Bizarre attempt at irony; sorry, I don't get it ...

JoeTyler said:

Spinlight said:

I'd recommend Prince not talk about Chemtrails on TV anymore.

Bizarre attempt at irony; sorry, I don't get it ...

There's an ongoing conspiracy theory (once propogated by the man himself, before his death) that Michael Jackson was purposely allowed to die because of his offensive comments re: "The Jews" destroying careers, Tommy Motolla, and the NWO.

This, by extension, would mean that Prince's mentioning of NWO tactics (aka Chem trails) would put his career (if not his life) in danger.

Spinlight said:

JoeTyler said:

Bizarre attempt at irony; sorry, I don't get it ...

There's an ongoing conspiracy theory (once propogated by the man himself, before his death) that Michael Jackson was purposely allowed to die because of his offensive comments re: "The Jews" destroying careers, Tommy Motolla, and the NWO.

This, by extension, would mean that Prince's mentioning of NWO tactics (aka Chem trails) would put his career (if not his life) in danger.

if he survived the whole "Fuck Warners-Slave" controversy, he can survive anything at this point; he only needs to accept that he needs a new deal with Universal Records or whatever; 3121 sales were high due to Universal's excellent distribution/promotional campaign...enough of these Daily Mirror tactics...

JoeTyler said:

Spinlight said:

There's an ongoing conspiracy theory (once propogated by the man himself, before his death) that Michael Jackson was purposely allowed to die because of his offensive comments re: "The Jews" destroying careers, Tommy Motolla, and the NWO.

This, by extension, would mean that Prince's mentioning of NWO tactics (aka Chem trails) would put his career (if not his life) in danger.

if he survived the whole "Fuck Warners-Slave" controversy, he can survive anything at this point; he only needs to accept that he needs a new deal with Universal Records or whatever; 3121 sales were high due to Universal's excellent distribution/promotional campaign...enough of these Daily Mirror tactics...

Prince's promo issues have been the same since 1985. He doesn't like doing album promo. He doesn't release albums fast enough, be it independently or attached to a label, and yet doesn't like to shop an album for a year.

XxAxX said:

i dunno. i think robinhood makes some good points there....

If so, apologies, I just read the first and last lines and went

KingSausage said:

if you tried telling me that I wouldn't have a Prince album months after it was released. The fact that I have not yet heard 20ten is crazy. This is Prince, my favorite. I never thought it would come to this!

I'd say you're not missing much...time to look elsewhere for inspiration and original music methinks... he does use all the old drum sounds though, so if you really want to hear all of them regurgited for another album of misses you really ought to track the latest album out, I say latest as they are all as bad as each oterh these day, musical magnolia paint.

KingSausage said:

if you tried telling me that I wouldn't have a Prince album months after it was released. The fact that I have not yet heard 20ten is crazy. This is Prince, my favorite. I never thought it would come to this!

Two things struck me, when I read the header for this thread.... I had hi hopes....but it turned to another "bad" agains "good" thread...

1- Im in the same position as the poster, I still didnt get to the net, and order the album... Somewhat bying a new album in the shop, and the feeling while you go home, is something I really need to lay dead. But I sneakprewieved it on the tube... but just parts, as I dont wanna ruin the full experience in Hi Fi when I finaly get the album home. (shame on me)

2- all will be forgiven the day someone release the remastered full versons of all the olred albums including all the full extended versions on the albums, with all the intended outtakes that didnt had place on the orginal albums. It would have been a full 2-3 hours experiences in some cases . But... in a biz world, full of contracts, things like this would probably never happen Prince is right, with the artist in controll of own material, all things woud be possible. )

So, back to the point, sorry

With a top title like this thread, I would actualy look ca 10 years back, and remember I was living back in 1999-2001 period.

What did we have at that time? We had Joy Un2 the.. in 99, Some hype, never happend...

We had the music club as best thing happening at all. Then the strange years continued with internett albums, and nothing really mayor for the records har happend for a while, and 2000 offered the live 2000 show DVD as hi light. 2001 gave new hope ofcause with the Rainbow album.

So.... what could we expext the next ten years???

Could we expext the 2004 year, where he was top earner in the industry? Superbowl? 21 Nights in London? All the drama, albums, ups and downs AGAIN... then he, after erlier stunts as first 3d effect album cover. Interactive DVD, internett releases, web awards as groundbreaking artist on the web? Something we knew for shure atleast, was that if nothing else would happen, the man would ALWAYS use the net to release music, probably to the day he becomes 100 years... Then he declares the net is dead! LOL...

The man just has an amazing way to attract attention, and do so many bold, and unexpected moves, that he shakes the world over 30 years after he staret to shake it! - He counted sold albums on liveshows, and shook the industri world. He signed the release the millions of album on 1 day newpaper deal, and once again people got shooked. !

The last ten year has contained more action and news from the man, than Stings entire carear as Solo artist to compare to something. :p

And most important, with this pace...... where are we in 10 years from now??????? :O

Masterfreak said:

And most important, with this pace...... where are we in 10 years from now??????? :O

Some of us will still be here, some of us will also be at EvenMoQuake.com, and some will be gone entirely.

Spinlight said:

robinhood said:

who started it?

when was the very first instance where prince gave his fans the finger, entirely unprovoked?

when were his fans sitting round doing nothing illegal at all, and prince just decided to give them the finger?

we could say, 'well he deserves to be treated that way cuz thats karma for the music he has stolen from other people, the musicians he has ripped and credited himself with all the work, the disrespect with which he has treated many people throughtout his career, what goes around comes around and if he's too stupid to figure that out then what difference does it make what we do?'...

and we could say that and have half a valid point. but it would be totally beside the point.

everyone here knows there is no law stating that it is OK to bootleg his work, breach his copyrights, alter his artwork, use his image and likeness, without his consent, or slander him.

some might say he doesnt sell as many records as he could because he's been forced into a narrow corner of release methods, and he's been forced into that corner by his fans. forced to localize his releases and get paid up front, to ensure that 1. he receives proper payment and 2. his music gets into people's hands, in a legitimate way.

i will happily retract everything i've said if you can provide me one instance, the very first instance, where prince just decided, for no apparent good reason, for no good legal reason, to give his fans the finger.

Actually, his fanbase was pretty loyal and rabid despite his early mishaps and even through more disastrous ones like Crystal Ball, the NPGMC, and LotusFlower's website. Prince's loyal fans (ie those who stuck around) that trade(d) bootleg material have never simply stolen from him and its naive to suggest that. Not to mention the fact that even if Prince were to release it and the fans already owned 8 copies, they'd now own a 9th.

weave and dodge? we can do that all day to avoid the obvious.

when was the very first instance where prince gave his fans the finger, for no good legal reason?

and dont misread me here, i fully understand why people bootlegged his work and used his image and symbol without consent, and i fully understand why people spew their vile filth at him on fan-sites

but lets not miss the point.

WHEN did he EVER 'attack' his fan-base for no good legal reason? you said he's been giving his fans the finger for decades, right?

well? show me where he did so entirely unprovoked.

errant said:

I was going to wade through your usual inane blather, but I decided to just cut my losses and focus on the first line.

Yes, his release strategies for the last few albums absolutely does promote illegal downloading. They are limited releases in one store or in one part of the world and nowhere else. This promotes illegal bootlegging and downlaoding among his fanbase where those albums are not available.

Here's an idea, instead of being a thief, how about you drop $10 and buy a disc from eBay or arrange a trade/purchase with an overseas fan?

Spinlight said:

lol. You've got to be kidding me.

Prince has given his fans the finger for decades.

Decades.

Yet, here you STILL are bitching about it. Have a bit of a masochistic streak?

Serena said:

Spinlight said:

lol. You've got to be kidding me.

Prince has given his fans the finger for decades.

Decades.

Yet, here you STILL are bitching about it. Have a bit of a masochistic streak?

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

hhhhdmt said:

so do you believe it was ok for prince to sue his own fans for images that he didnt even own?

Tell me what fans were actually sued for this, none that I can recall. A C&D is not suing someone.

Spinlight said:

Serena said:

Yet, here you STILL are bitching about it. Have a bit of a masochistic streak?

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

Well, if I felt that an entertainer was giving me the finger for decades, I'd hardly be hanging out on a website devoted to him.

Spinlight said:

JoeTyler said:

HEAR, HEAR! Finally some common sense here. Thank You. Where were you a couple of months ago? I started a similar thread and some people refused to accept the truth: Prince CANNOT release his new music in the USA... and that's sad, dangerous and pathetic.

But if you ask me, all these problems started back in 1996...the excellent distribution/promotional campaign of Musicology/3121 and even Planet Earth was just a mirage...

I'd recommend Prince not talk about Chemtrails on TV anymore.

what!?! thats like the best thing he's done in 20 years ... probably one of the few reasons i still buy his records

boscho said:

robinhood said:

20ten is not in the shops? boo effing hoo. maybe it will be soon, but for now, he's been cornered into localizing his releases under his own absolute control. he gets paid for it, and respected for it.

thats just my opinion, plus, he likes trying new ways of doing things, and like i said before, i think the way his fans have treated him over the years, trying to justify their slander and illegal activities, has pushed him in the direction he is headed.

this is the most ridiculous thing i have read so far today - and this is after flicking through a tabloid paper on the bus this morning.

do u find this ridiculous too?

"screw the net. i get no respect. second i open my new site, they bitch and moan, then wonder why i dont upgrade it. hardly made any money either. they've slandered me so much i cant even get as many sign-ups as i deserve. screw itunes too. they got no respect either. cheap ass new tek pre-fab internet zombies slicing music up into bite size junk food pieces. ignoramusses. pearls before swine. i swear.

so f u all. do it my own way. i'm prince dammit. show them how to keep goin, keep survivin, keep makin music, keep releasin it, keep making money, without those ungrateful, disrespectful mules. yeah i'm such a bad guy. pardon me for being great at what i do. pardon me for standing up to people who rip me, pardon me for becoming such a tyrant. can u do what i do? whats that? cant hear you. speak the f up.

see this? this is called being innovative. sure go right ahead and tell me someone already done it before, release thru papers. did they get paid as much as me? hmm? whats that? cant hear you. speak the f up.

oh gee yeah i love these new bootlegs. rape me more. dont sell me some ass about how ur supporting me. see what i'm doing now? i'm proving i dont need your support. never did. i'm prince dammit. makin and sellin music, my own way, with, or without you. oops, whats that? yup. without you.

there'll never be another like me. whats that? cant hear you. speak the f up. anyway, i got compassion. wont say none of this to your faces, spare you the pain. i gain. again, and again, and again."

Serena said:

errant said:

I was going to wade through your usual inane blather, but I decided to just cut my losses and focus on the first line.

Yes, his release strategies for the last few albums absolutely does promote illegal downloading. They are limited releases in one store or in one part of the world and nowhere else. This promotes illegal bootlegging and downlaoding among his fanbase where those albums are not available.

Here's an idea, instead of being a thief, how about you drop $10 and buy a disc from eBay or arrange a trade/purchase with an overseas fan?

and how do I know I'm getting an official disc and not a bootleg?

I'm practically begging Prince to take my money for his music he won't sell it to me, but to others.

Serena said:

Spinlight said:

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

Well, if I felt that an entertainer was giving me the finger for decades, I'd hardly be hanging out on a website devoted to him.

"I'm unique in the respect I'm not you." - Prince, 1984

NouveauDance said:

XxAxX said:

i dunno. i think robinhood makes some good points there....

If so, apologies, I just read the first and last lines and went

it's okay, no offense. prince is not someone we can all agree on, or even pigeon hole enough to predict.

but i think robin's point about him being affected by his fans' feedback is valid.

errant said:

Serena said:

Here's an idea, instead of being a thief, how about you drop $10 and buy a disc from eBay or arrange a trade/purchase with an overseas fan?

and how do I know I'm getting an official disc and not a bootleg?

I'm practically begging Prince to take my money for his music he won't sell it to me, but to others.

I know it's not the most convenient thing, but when I ordered mine, I requested the newspaper also plus it came in the cardboard sleeve.