squirrelgrease said:

jtfolden said:

Yay, we can take the plastic off the furniture now!

And we can put the good beer back toward the front of the fridge. I hope she liked the Blatz and its after effects.

beeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr

Chiquetet said:

PimpandCircumstance said:

I hope you are not saying what I said was bigoted. I am a gay man wrighting about how God has blessed my relationship with another man and that we pray and go to church together, and that the Bible has been used by man to oppress others throughout the centuries and that Jesus came to earth to end ALL oppression.

The formatting looks to have gotten a bit skewed, but I think the only things that were removed were where someone blew a couple of purple circuits and needed to go back to the shop for repairs.

luv4u pasted the rules to replace text, not in reply to it, if that makes sense. I'm near certain it's not directed at what you said, but rather what was said in response that the mods have made clear doesn't have a place within this site.

Thank you. Very well stated. Complaints regarding DaphneLovesPR1NCE posts were dealt with. The posts violated the site rules.

colorblu said:

No, I don't think so. Because the definition of a "gay icon" would mean that he's gay.

Prince surely is an icon, but not that type of icon.

You don't have to be gay to be a gay icon! Kylie Minogue is a gay icon and she's not a lesbian.

I think he is for sure. He stands for bi-sexuality. He is so ridiculously and so beautifully androgynus. I think he stands for androgyny more than gay....but an icon for sure!

So. fucking. sexy. especially The Revolution era >^.^<

ladychel61 said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

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Ok, now I'm really confused. I was going to ask Daphne why she kept posting 'the rules', but then you come in and give it a thumbsup. What am I missing? Are you guys trying to say that what the other person posted was hateful or something like that?

^^^^^

DaphneLovesPR1NCE violating posts were replaced by a copy of the rules. Rules that I posted in her violating posts. Her banter got my snip.

That thumbsup was ladychel61 post, not mine. Go reread again.

Any further questions hit me in orgnote.l...

Move along folks.

Lelaina said:

colorblu said:

No, I don't think so. Because the definition of a "gay icon" would mean that he's gay.

Prince surely is an icon, but not that type of icon.

You don't have to be gay to be a gay icon! Kylie Minogue is a gay icon and she's not a lesbian.

I think he is for sure. He stands for bi-sexuality. He is so ridiculously and so beautifully androgynus. I think he stands for androgyny more than gay....but an icon for sure!

So. fucking. sexy. especially The Revolution era >^.^<

Ok, it's only my understanding which we all know is a little different for the most part But I still don't think that Prince is a gay Icon. IMO

luv4u said:

^^^^^

DaphneLovesPR1NCE violating posts were replaced by a copy of the rules. Rules that I posted in her violating posts. Her banter got my snip.

That thumbsup was ladychel61 post, not mine. Go reread again.

Any further questions hit me in orgnote.l...

Move along folks.

ok gotcha, thanks!

colorblu said:

Ok, it's only my understanding which we all know is a little different for the most part But I still don't think that Prince is a gay Icon. IMO

Are you gay or do you travel in "gay circles"?

squirrelgrease said:

The org is 97% gay. MoQuake.com is 95.3% gay. PrinceFams.com is 102% gay. The first 20 rows at every Prince concert are filled by gay people. Bria Valente is a gay man. the symbol almost replaced the pink triangle and rainbows as a gay identifier, but lost out by three votes at the annual national gay conference. I'm pretty sure all of this can be verified on Wikipedia.

So, yeah, Prince is iconically gay - and there's not a thing he can do about it.

jtfolden said:

Dave1992 said:

It's only what the media and desperate homosexuals made out of homosexuality, but logic indicates that nothing Prince ever did in public has anything to do with homosexuality. Freedom, maybe, but not homosexuality.

Prince has invited the suggestion and played with people's perceptions of him in relation to these ideas from the earliest years? Even when that has not been his main intention, for example, he has chosen lyrics that blatantly, unmistakably allow a "queer" reading. Whether this has been for personal/artistic reasons or merely as a commercial/marketing tool is anybody's guess and may differ from instance to instance.

His continual tease with androgynous representations and depictions of himself is part and parcel with the idea of homosexuality in the eyes of the mainstream public, as well.

It's only been since his conversion to JW that he's really toned this stuff down or purposely avoided it.

Agreed. And further I think that doing all this while also cultivating a hyper heterosexuality at the same time allowed more cultural 'space' for gay black men for a time. I don't think it's coincidence that with the older, "straighter" Prince and a much narrower version of black manhood/manliness being promoted as the norm, homosexuality is less accepted in black america than ever before.

Dave1992 said:

PimpandCircumstance said:

What does makeup half to do with sexuality? Well of course it doesn't make one gay...however men who wear makeup and dress like women does make one transgendered which is a sexual identity...of course there are heterosexual men who are transgender. The reason why I might suggest that he might be a gay icon is that he WAS all about freedom in a society where racism, sexism, and homophobia benefit from each other. What I loved about Prince's image particularly From For You through 1999 is that it was all about freedom to be who you are and who God created you to be remember:

white, black, puerto rican everybody just a freakin'

where i come from we don't let society tell us how its supposed to be

am i black or white am i straight or gay?

Sexuality is all i'll ever need

no child is bad from the begining they only immitate there atmosphere

Gay people who are being bullied can definatly relate to these lyrics that are very liberating in an oppressive society.

I am in no way saying Prince is gay, nor do I believe he is...like I said most gay icons are not gay but from the tone of your wrightings it sounds like you are upset that a certain group of people who you might not be comfortable with are embracing someone you like. Its okay just because GLBT folks like Prince, in no way compromises your privelege as a heterosexual in this bigoted society. What is wrong with a group of people embracing someone who is not identified with them?

I'm not uncomfortable at all with any group of people embracing someone I like! I am not "defending" Prince or anything, I am "defending" that idea of freedom he has created, that idea that you found in his work too.

I just think that Prince' main aim was to eliminate the world from gender roles and I think that is a brilliant aim. But when people suggest he related to his homosexual audience by dressing differently or wearing make-up they do exactly what Prince tried to fight! Some extremists might even call that sexist, you know...

All I'm saying is Prince was not an icon for sexuality, but for freedom, right from the start. And if you're free you don't have to care about your sexuality anymore - you do what feels best.

[Edited 10/17/10 19:47pm]

eireboy34 said:

We know he's gay but don't think he's a gay icon.

[Flame snip - luv4u]

i wondeed this myself at one point. I mean he has all of the "bells and whistles", if you will, but seemes to me, his music and the guy himslef r way to serious to be a contender. I would not be suprised if he would find some offense with being giving such a label.

Gay icons that come to mind Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Elton John, Geroge Michael, IMO all have fun sing-along-no brainer'ish music. While Pricne has more deep, thought provoking, not the best sing-along tunes, he may have a few, but clearly not enough to give him a gay-icon status.

i wish the guy would lighten-up a bit.

PimpandCircumstance said:

I know he's no Judy, Cher, or Madonna, but you gotta admit some gay people still love him despite the horrible comments he made a few years back. Even though he is not gay you gotta give props to an adrogynous black man in America who wore make up bikini briefs, ass-less chaps and feminzed himself in hetrosexual relationships with songs like Head, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Sexy MF, & P Control. Plus he had two lesbians in a band called "the Revolution" with album titles like "Parade" and "Purple Rain" the only color that is more gay than purple is pink, and he made androgyny and bisexuality hip in the 80s so with this I ask, "should prince be considered a gay icon, even if he wants nothing to do with us?

let us not forget "if i gave u diamonds and pearls would you be a happy boy or a girl.

Oh and the rainbow children?

i took rainbow children also as mixed race and racial equality not just sexual orientation and rainbows being associated with it.