DesireeNevermind said:

squirrelgrease said:

Sometimes life throws you a curveball. A five-foot-three curveball.

5'2 and barely reaching it.

I was thinking of Pablo Picasso.

Well he was only 5'3"
Girls could not resist his stare
Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole
Not in New York

All this talk is hurting my ears

^

vainandy said:

Serena said:

Fine, you're straight then.

How dare you accuse me of being straight! I've never been so insulted in my life!

Get busy, breeder!

Shorty said:

this thread....

the whole thing is fucked up.

I knew it would go down the drain. Serious and Prince just can't exist in the same thread....anymore.

Well I will do my part to further continue the decline of this thread.

I loves Princey

Lord knowz I do...

But I kill him dead

Fo I let him icon me!

This would be my gay icon

ravein2thejoy said:

This would be my gay icon

He deserves his own thread! He's earned it!

Bohemian67 said:

PimpandCircumstance said:

I know he's no Judy, Cher, or Madonna, but you gotta admit some gay people still love him despite the horrible comments he made a few years back. Even though he is not gay you gotta give props to an adrogynous black man in America who wore make up bikini briefs, ass-less chaps and feminzed himself in hetrosexual relationships with songs like Head, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Sexy MF, & P Control. Plus he had two lesbians in a band called "the Revolution" with album titles like "Parade" and "Purple Rain" the only color that is more gay than purple is pink, and he made androgyny and bisexuality hip in the 80s so with this I ask, "should prince be considered a gay icon, even if he wants nothing to do with us?

let us not forget "if i gave u diamonds and pearls would you be a happy boy or a girl.

Oh and the rainbow children?

Absolutely not. Nothing of Prince symbolises being gay.

Being gay is not about Freedom of expression. Which is the only thing that bothers me about gays. Why do they so often need to "defend their position" of sexual preference as being a "freedom of expression? That's so superficial. Sexuality is far deeper and just is, so there's a HUMAN RIGHT to be who/what you are. Freedom of expression is a second layer concept which is not just for a selected group of people. It is for all.

"Am I black or white, am I straight or gay? This has more to do with "don't label, categorise or judge me" than about being gay. "life is just a game we're all just the same." Prince's earlier theme was "let your body be free, sexuality is all you'll ever need." Sexuality is part of the human race, no distinctions there about sexual orientation.

"gay people love that Prince pushed boundries and made people quit being stereotypical?" Do you think that only gays liked that? Straight people love it too. Racial discrimination is just as big if not bigger than sexual discrimination.

Who in showbiz doesn't wear make-up? Purple is a blend of pink and blue. Blue would have been far too ordinary for Prince. Purple has nothing to do with being gay. And besides, as his birth given name was "Prince" I believe the colour purple was meant to have connotations with "royal" so nothing about gay or pink alternative.

I'll definitely agree, in that yes, you should give props to Prince for freedom of expression and that he's done lots to try and do away with societal labelling. Also that gays would love him for not being afraid to be who he is. But it is just the same for straight people, so has nothing to do with being gay at all.

As for the song lyrics. We've often demonstrated on the org that a lot boils down to culture, inference, and open to one's own interpretation. Lyrics can also often be ambiguous. But Prince a gay icon? I think not.

I assure you that the LGBT community is well versed in the depth of Sexuality.

PimpandCircumstance said:

I know he's no Judy, Cher, or Madonna, but you gotta admit some gay people still love him despite the horrible comments he made a few years back. Even though he is not gay you gotta give props to an adrogynous black man in America who wore make up bikini briefs, ass-less chaps and feminzed himself in hetrosexual relationships with songs like Head, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Sexy MF, & P Control. Plus he had two lesbians in a band called "the Revolution" with album titles like "Parade" and "Purple Rain" the only color that is more gay than purple is pink, and he made androgyny and bisexuality hip in the 80s so with this I ask, "should prince be considered a gay icon, even if he wants nothing to do with us?

let us not forget "if i gave u diamonds and pearls would you be a happy boy or a girl.

Oh and the rainbow children?

the dude is HOMOPHOBIC!!!!

Prince is a metrosexual, he's one of us

[Edited 10/12/10 15:55pm]

I once asked this same question to a friend of mine who is gay. His response was, "Prince will never be a gay icon because all of his songs are about pussy." Kinda makes sense.

JesusFreak said:

PimpandCircumstance said:

Drag queens wear makeup all the time and purple IS a queer color. You are obviously not gay! + Gay does = Happy if homosexual is your orientation and you embrace and aren't afraid of it!

God don't make no mistakes!

[Edited 10/11/10 14:32pm]

[Edited 10/11/10 14:34pm]

But obviously you did make a mistake or few concerning the fact you edited your message twice. Or if it was a minor tweak, the faults mine for believing so. The point is- While God makes no mistakes- humans DO.

I'm not going to even indulge on your false stance of the color purple., i'm sorry but did you create it?

Sin effects every person who was born. You steal an item, your a thief. You lie, your a liar. You look apon the same sex with desire- you are sexually immoral. God's given us free will- there are those who accept the Blood that was slain on a cross for their sins- as there are those living in ignorance to it.

Homosexuality is not a sin. Religious fundementalists take scripture out of historical context, people like you quote leviticus 18: 22 but you still eat pork and wear 2 different types of fabric that is outlawed in the same book... you use the stories of Sodom and Gommorrah to condemn your fellow brother and sister who is gay when you don't turn the page to see that Lot slept with his daughters. Besides Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because they were inhospitable to the angels the story is a a condemnation of gang rape not two people of the same gender who love each other.

Also if you read the Bible you will see a continuing theme those who were formerly excluded from the kingdom of God are later included. Deuteronomy says that no one whose testicles are crushed can enter the temple of God yet in the book of Acts the Ethiopian eunuch who was an unclean gentile and a sexual minority was held up as an example of good faith.

If you read scripture you will also note that there are stories of same gender love, ie David and Jonathon, and Ruth and Naomi. The same word Ruth "clung" to Naomi that is used in the original hebrew is the same word used in Genesis where it says that a man will "cling" to his wife. Plus, David loved Jonathon more than women.

If you use 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Romans 1:26-27 as a blanket condemnation of what we refer to now as homosexuality, then don't pick and choose...Paul's wrightings were also used in the nineteenth century in the deep south to support slavery, it is still being used today to say that women should not preach, and it was also taken out of context to support the holocaust against the Jews, never mind the fact that Paul and Jesus themseves were Jews.

God has blessed me with a wonderful relationship with someone of the same gender, also Jesus said NOTHING about what we call homosexuality.

I am sure if Jesus was here in the physical form today he would be against these oppressive theologies that institutionalized religion supports.

Before you go pointing out sin take a look at yourself. Don't look at the speck in the eyes of others without examining the plank in your own.

JesusFreak said:

PimpandCircumstance said:

Drag queens wear makeup all the time and purple IS a queer color. You are obviously not gay! + Gay does = Happy if homosexual is your orientation and you embrace and aren't afraid of it!

God don't make no mistakes!

[Edited 10/11/10 14:32pm]

[Edited 10/11/10 14:34pm]

But obviously you did make a mistake or few concerning the fact you edited your message twice. Or if it was a minor tweak, the faults mine for believing so. The point is- While God makes no mistakes- humans DO.

I'm not going to even indulge on your false stance of the color purple., i'm sorry but did you create it?

Sin effects every person who was born. You steal an item, your a thief. You lie, your a liar. You look apon the same sex with desire- you are sexually immoral. God's given us free will- there are those who accept the Blood that was slain on a cross for their sins- as there are those living in ignorance to it.

Maybe you do eat pork, but I doubt you would condemn someone who does. I have accepted the blood of Christs cross, and my relationship with Jesus has led me to the truth that I no longer have to live in self-condemnation and that "before I was in the womb, God knew who I was." Jeremiah 1:5. I prayed and asked God to send me my someone, and not long after I met my partner, we go to church together, pray together, and GOD HAS BLESSED OUR RELATIONSHIP!

You haven't been through what I've been through and you don't know my relationship with Christ

For with the same measure that you give judgement, you will be judged

My comment about purple was sort of a joke, sorry you did not find it funny.

"There is no longer Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 (NRSV)

PimpandCircumstance said:

JesusFreak said:

But obviously you did make a mistake or few concerning the fact you edited your message twice. Or if it was a minor tweak, the faults mine for believing so. The point is- While God makes no mistakes- humans DO.

I'm not going to even indulge on your false stance of the color purple., i'm sorry but did you create it?

Sin effects every person who was born. You steal an item, your a thief. You lie, your a liar. You look apon the same sex with desire- you are sexually immoral. God's given us free will- there are those who accept the Blood that was slain on a cross for their sins- as there are those living in ignorance to it.

Homosexuality is not a sin.

Umm ... I'm gonna have to disagree with you, in Al Islaam (as it is taught in Al Quraan and Al Haadith), it 'is' a sin ...

*poof*

PurpleLove7 said:

PimpandCircumstance said:

Homosexuality is not a sin.

Umm ... I'm gonna have to disagree with you, in Al Islaam (as it is taught in Al Quraan and Al Haadith), it 'is' a sin ...

*poof*

Back when that was written, they also believed the world was flat, how's that one bearing up?

erik319 said:

PurpleLove7 said:

Umm ... I'm gonna have to disagree with you, in Al Islaam (as it is taught in Al Quraan and Al Haadith), it 'is' a sin ...

*poof*

Back when that was written, they also believed the world was flat, how's that one bearing up?

... during the time of Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, the Arabs did not believe that, remember the Arabs were the originators of math and science.

PimpandCircumstance said:

I know he's no Judy, Cher, or Madonna, but you gotta admit some gay people still love him despite the horrible comments he made a few years back. Even though he is not gay you gotta give props to an adrogynous black man in America who wore make up bikini briefs, ass-less chaps and feminzed himself in hetrosexual relationships with songs like Head, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Sexy MF, & P Control. Plus he had two lesbians in a band called "the Revolution" with album titles like "Parade" and "Purple Rain" the only color that is more gay than purple is pink, and he made androgyny and bisexuality hip in the 80s so with this I ask, "should prince be considered a gay icon, even if he wants nothing to do with us?

let us not forget "if i gave u diamonds and pearls would you be a happy boy or a girl.

Oh and the rainbow children?

No, but my mother is

Proof here if needed:

I know she's no Judy, Cher, or Madonna, but you gotta admit some gay people still love Databank's mother despite the horrible comments she made a few years back. Even though she is not gay you gotta give props to an adrogynous white woman in France who wore black leather jackets blue jeans and masculinized herself in heterosexual relationships with songs like You Blow My Head, If I Was Your Gynecologist, Puker MF, & Birth Control. Plus she had two gays in a band called "the Reovulation" with album titles like "Gay Pride" and "Acid Rain", the only rain that is more gay than sperm rain purple is acid rain, and she made androgyny and bisexuality hip in the 80s so with this I ask, "should Databank's mother be considered a gay icon, even if she wants nothing to do with us?

let us not forget "if i gave u diamonds and pearls would you be a happy boy or a girl.

Oh and the rainbow children?

PurpleLove7 said:

erik319 said:

Back when that was written, they also believed the world was flat, how's that one bearing up?

... during the time of Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, the Arabs did not believe that, remember the Arabs were the originators of math and science.

When studying, I was always taught never to quote from Wikipedia, as it could be written by anyone, could have a blinkered, incorrect viewpoint, things could be wholely innacurate, it could be updated at any time should the need arise and the facts on display cannot be, or are poorly referenced.

Religious texts were written hundreds of years ago by less educated and enlightened people than are around today and have been a source of misinterpretation from the very start, due to the stories being handed down verbally for many generations before they were even written down... Then mis-translated, re-edited, abridged, etc...

If you get comfort from a religious text, then that's great and I'm happy for you. If, however, you want to treat said book as a factual document on human psychology and say that my lifestyle choice is a sin, then I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask you to provide specific references

erik319 said:

PurpleLove7 said:

... during the time of Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, the Arabs did not believe that, remember the Arabs were the originators of math and science.

When studying, I was always taught never to quote from Wikipedia, as it could be written by anyone, could have a blinkered, incorrect viewpoint, things could be wholly inaccurate, it could be updated at any time should the need arise and the facts on display cannot be, or are poorly referenced.

Religious texts were written hundreds of years ago by less educated and enlightened people than are around today and have been a source of misinterpretation from the very start, due to the stories being handed down verbally for many generations before they were even written down... Then mis-translated, re-edited, abridged, etc...

If you get comfort from a religious text, then that's great and I'm happy for you. If, however, you want to treat said book as a factual document on human psychology and say that my lifestyle choice is a sin, then I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask you to provide specific references

& that's fine erik319, I do not read or take facts from Wikipedia when it comes to my faith and way of life and I would happily supply the Arabia (Arabic) and English Transliteration for Islaamic 'proofs'.

That's the only way I get down ...

[Edited 10/13/10 13:24pm]

erik319 said:

PurpleLove7 said:

... during the time of Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, the Arabs did not believe that, remember the Arabs were the originators of math and science.

When studying, I was always taught never to quote from Wikipedia, as it could be written by anyone, could have a blinkered, incorrect viewpoint, things could be wholely innacurate, it could be updated at any time should the need arise and the facts on display cannot be, or are poorly referenced.

Religious texts were written hundreds of years ago by less educated and enlightened people than are around today and have been a source of misinterpretation from the very start, due to the stories being handed down verbally for many generations before they were even written down... Then mis-translated, re-edited, abridged, etc...

If you get comfort from a religious text, then that's great and I'm happy for you. If, however, you want to treat said book as a factual document on human psychology and say that my lifestyle choice is a sin, then I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask you to provide specific references

Damn you Erik. First you tell me the world isn't flat and now I find out Wikipedia may contain misinformation? Bastard. Next thing you know, my Purple Facts will be held under your meticulous microscope.

Absolutely not, heres why

1. He has never sung a song that praises gay sex or gay sexuality

2. Any song that can be intrpreted as gay themed (Eg Girlfriend and Anna Stesia, the hints are very jaded and refer more to hetty love that gay love)

3. He is now openly homphobic

4. He belongs to an evangelical church that sees Homosexuality as an abomination.

5. He has never spoken positively about any gay issue at least since the mid 90s (In 1996 he referred to people thinking of him as a gay to Oprah as "Whatever floats the boat" and back in 1980 the song Uptown he at least expresses that its not an issue if someone is gay or not)

Just because a guy acts out some perceived stereotypes of effeminate gay behaviour (Camp clothing, mincing, make up and vanity) dosen't make him a gay icon.

squirrelgrease said:

erik319 said:

When studying, I was always taught never to quote from Wikipedia, as it could be written by anyone, could have a blinkered, incorrect viewpoint, things could be wholely innacurate, it could be updated at any time should the need arise and the facts on display cannot be, or are poorly referenced.

Religious texts were written hundreds of years ago by less educated and enlightened people than are around today and have been a source of misinterpretation from the very start, due to the stories being handed down verbally for many generations before they were even written down... Then mis-translated, re-edited, abridged, etc...

If you get comfort from a religious text, then that's great and I'm happy for you. If, however, you want to treat said book as a factual document on human psychology and say that my lifestyle choice is a sin, then I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask you to provide specific references

Damn you Erik. First you tell me the world isn't flat and now I find out Wikipedia may contain misinformation? Bastard. Next thing you know, my Purple Facts will be held under your meticulous microscope.

The problem is, I believe your Purple Facts more readily than I believe Wiki and medieval views on geography, SG

..Actually, that explains a lot.

erik319 said:

squirrelgrease said:

Damn you Erik. First you tell me the world isn't flat and now I find out Wikipedia may contain misinformation? Bastard. Next thing you know, my Purple Facts will be held under your meticulous microscope.

The problem is, I believe your Purple Facts more readily than I believe Wiki and medieval views on geography, SG

..Actually, that explains a lot.

December1984 said:

I once asked this same question to a friend of mine who is gay. His response was, "Prince will never be a gay icon because all of his songs are about pussy." Kinda makes sense.

PurpleLove7 said:

dreamshaman32 said:

He is a gender identity icon which is a subset of gay culture/ societal issues. Although straight, pragmatic and lately a religious zealot he has yet to abandon an overtly androgynous presentation. Whether he likes it or not when a man who presents as counter to what is a traditional image of male attractiveness can become a sex icon to millions of women it pushes the ball forward. That Prince is a sex symbol contributes to a world where LGBT citizens see the certainty that America WILL wake up and expand civil rights for all of its citizens.

[img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif[/img:$uid] ... I dig your answer, fam

Oh and I dig this too.

No

He's as much a gay icon as Cliff Richard (Ie. Barely at all). Incidentally, Cliff was 70 yesterday.

Gay Icons are hardly always successful. Take Adam Lambert he's playing a second rate stage show in a second rate theatre in a third rate town in New Zealand called Hamilton on Sunday. Thats hardly glitz and glamour is it.

squirrelgrease said:

Bria Valente is a gay man

jtfolden said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

The things noted about him all are irrelevant. Prince was all about being himself and doing whatever came to his mind. The color purple or the fact that he wears make up, or wore weird clothes has nothing to do with anything except he wanted to push the boundaries and make people quit being stereotypical.

The fact you think all of that is irrelevant shows exactly how little you understand what makes a gay icon.

Really, the only fans truly qualified to answer this statement are the gay ones...

That may be true indeed...

December1984 said:

I once asked this same question to a friend of mine who is gay. His response was, "Prince will never be a gay icon because all of his songs are about pussy." Kinda makes sense.

Makes sense!! Prince has always let the world know he loves women, why in the world would they want him for a gay icon, he is the last person I'd think of when I think of gay icon. I don't know any straight men who are gay icons, straight women yes..but straight men?