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Genesia

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Maybe Prince ain't so crazy

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Chris Anderson will generate plenty of chatter with his "The Web is Dead" Wired cover,foretold here previously. Fair enough; that's what a smart magazine editor does. But all the more reason to note the rich ironies in his eulogy.

Anderson, as predicted, argues in his cover story...n decline" amid the rise of apps for the iPhone and iPad, for TV platforms like the Xbox, and computer services that exist outside the browser like Skype. Those alternative ecosystems constitute "the world that consumers are increasingly choosing, not because they're rejecting the idea of the Web but because these dedicated platforms often just work better or fit better into their lives... The fact that it's easier for companies to make money on these platforms only cements the trend."

Where did this argument first appear? Funny you should ask!

  • Irony 1: Wired released its cover story package first to the Web, on Wired.com. You won't find it in Wired's iPad edition, and it's not out in print yet. The death of the web might be the "inevitable course of capitalism," but it apparently pays better to deliver that news via a dying medium.
  • Irony 2: Revenue is up at Wired's profitable website this year, despite a fairly severe reduction in staff last year. Yet Anderson, who has no control over Wired.com, writes that most Web publishers haven't been able to "reverse the hollowing-out trend of analog dollars turning into digital pennies... and by the looks of it there's no light at the end of that tunnel ." That tunnel being the oneWired, itself, is not in, apparently.
  • Irony 3: At the same time, circulation — and thus revenue, almost surely — are down for Wired's iPad edition, which was approaching (and possibly even surpassing) 100,000 copies for the debut issue but has since fallen off — to less than a fourth of what it was, one source claims. However large or small the decline, it could certainly be corrected; dropping off from a big bang launch is common enough in print and online media alike.

    But Wired's iPad tumble does raise the possibility that Anderson is speaking as much from his hopes as from his analysis when he writes, "We are choosing a new form of Quality of Service: custom applications that just work." The iPad team belongs to Anderson, after all (unlike, again, the web team).
  • Irony 4: Isn't this the guy who wrote a book called Free and noted, "You know this freaky land of free as the Web. A decade and a half into the great online experiment, the last debates over fre...are ending?" Eh, maybe not so much; Anderson today writes, "Much as we love freedom and choice, we also love things that just work, reliably and seamlessly. And if we have to pay for what we love, well, that increasingly seems OK."

To his credit, Anderson also runs a feature in which publishers Tim O'Reilly and John Battelle get the opportunity to basically tell the editor he's nuts. (Battelle: "Splashing "The Death of the Web" on the cover might be, well, overstating the case just a wee bit.") In the online package, Wired.com editor Evan Han...s likewise ("the web is far too powerful to be replaced by an alternative that gives away so much of what developers and readers have come to love and expect").

Like any provocative editor, in other words, Anderson has people talking. (See also this take from Rob Beschizza at BoingBoing and from blogging pioneer Dave Winer;TechMeme has more reaction.) Now we get to sit back and watch as the author/consultant/editor tries to explain why nearly the entire conversation about the Death of the Web is happening on the Seemingly Quite Alive Web. That should be, at the very least, entertaining.

http://gawker.com/5615069/wired-says-the-web-is-dead---on-its-increasingly-profitable-website

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Reply #1 posted 08/17/10 1:09pm

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nope, prince is still crazy lol

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Reply #2 posted 08/17/10 1:10pm

Genesia

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Ray Bradbury hates big government: 'Our country is in need of a revolution'

August 16, 2010 | 8:23 am

Ray Bradbury

Ray Bradbury is mad at President Obama, but it's not about the economy, the war or the plan to a construct a mosque near Ground Zero in New York City.

“He should be announcing that we should go back to the moon,” says the iconic author, whose 90th birthday on Aug. 22 will be marked in Los Angeles with more than week's worth of Bradbury film and TV scre...her events. “We should never have left there. We should go to the moon and prepare a base to fire a rocket off to Mars and then go to Mars and colonize Mars. Then when wedo that, we will live forever."

The man who wrote "Fahrenheit 451," "Something Wicked This Way Comes," "The Martian Chronicles," "Dandelion Wine" and "The Illustrated Man" has been called one of America's great dreamers, but his imagination takes him to some dark places when it comes to contemporary politics.

“I think our country is in need of a revolution,” Bradbury said. “There is too much government today. We've got to remember the government should be by the people, of the people and for the people.”

The native of Waukegan, Ill., has never been shy about expressing himself -- he described President Clinton with a word that rhymes with "knithead" back in 2001-- nor is he timid about correcting people when it comes to his own perceived legacy. Bradbury chafes, for instance, at the description of his work as science fiction -- in the past he has pointed out that, to his mind, "Fahrenheit 451" is the only sci-fi book in his vast body of work -- and despite his passion for more national space projects, he is not technology obsessive by any means.

“We have too many cellphones. We've got too many Internets. We have got to get rid of those machines. We have too many machines now.”

Bradbury wrote darkly about bookburning in "Fahrenheit 451," but he sounds ready to use a Kindle for kindling. “I was approached three times during the last year by Internet companies wanting to put my books" on an electronic reading device, he said. "I said to Yahoo, 'Prick up your ears and go to hell.' "

-- Susan King

http://latimesblogs.latim...tion-.html

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Reply #3 posted 08/17/10 1:15pm

Timmy84

He's still crazy.

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Reply #4 posted 08/17/10 1:15pm

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PicklesMcMillan said:

nope, prince is still crazy lol

nod lol

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Reply #5 posted 08/17/10 1:53pm

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Genesia said:

“We have too many cellphones. We've got too many Internets. We have got to get rid of those machines. We have too many machines now.”

falloff

i bet he has a cell phone and a computer

and you typed your many books on a what! ........... yeah what?!......aaahhhhh right! ---robin power


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Reply #6 posted 08/17/10 1:55pm

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PicklesMcMillan said:

Genesia said:

“We have too many cellphones. We've got too many Internets. We have got to get rid of those machines. We have too many machines now.”

falloff

i bet he has a cell phone and a computer

and you typed your many books on a what! ........... yeah what?!......aaahhhhh right! ---robin power


Dude is 90. I'm pretty sure he typed his books on a typewriter - probably a manual.

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Reply #7 posted 08/17/10 1:58pm

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The web as we know it is changing and evolving and will be regulated in these here united states. Obama already has the authority to shut it down if he needs to.

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Reply #8 posted 08/17/10 2:04pm

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thepope2the9s said:

The web as we know it is changing and evolving and will be regulated in these here united states. Obama already has the authority to shut it down if he needs to.

That would just lose Obama tons of his support eek I doubt he would do that, but I could see certain companies really getting strict about what's online.

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Reply #9 posted 08/17/10 2:06pm

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fuck obama!

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Reply #10 posted 08/17/10 2:09pm

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Genesia said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

falloff

i bet he has a cell phone and a computer

and you typed your many books on a what! ........... yeah what?!......aaahhhhh right! ---robin power


Dude is 90. I'm pretty sure he typed his books on a typewriter - probably a manual.

true true lol

but did he really say this? correct me if im wrong

"We should never have left there. We should go to the moon and prepare a base to fire a rocket off to Mars and then go to Mars and colonize Mars. Then when wedo that, we will live forever."

lol ......omg really ?? lets colonize mars with no water and little to no oxygen and no greenhouse gases and lets not use computers and machines when we go

you'll live forever alright lol


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Reply #11 posted 08/17/10 2:22pm

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PoppyBros said:

fuck obama!

Oh, no, you di'n't! mad

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Reply #12 posted 08/17/10 2:27pm

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PoppyBros said:

fuck obama!

fuck you!

I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #13 posted 08/17/10 2:32pm

rbrpm

Yeah he crazy but we luv him anyways!biggrin

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Reply #14 posted 08/17/10 2:33pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

PoppyBros said:

fuck obama!

fuck you!

Stay on the topic, please - both of you. mad

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Reply #15 posted 08/17/10 2:38pm

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Genesia said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

fuck you!

Stay on the topic, please - both of you. mad

Prince is still crazy! shrug

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Reply #16 posted 08/17/10 2:49pm

Timmy84

Prince is crazy? lol

Wait I already said that. biggrin


GOOD and crazy but yeah lol

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Reply #17 posted 08/17/10 3:04pm

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hey Prince is gonna sue! razz

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Reply #18 posted 08/17/10 3:05pm

Timmy84

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hey Prince is gonna sue! razz

lol

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Reply #19 posted 08/17/10 3:12pm

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I love Wired but I think they, like Prince, are jumping the gun.

Actually, I think Wired and Prince are saying two completely different things. Prince wasn't saying he was interested in different platforms like the iPad.

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Reply #20 posted 08/17/10 3:16pm

Timmy84

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I love Wired but I think they, like Prince, are jumping the gun.

Actually, I think Wired and Prince are saying two completely different things. Prince wasn't saying he was interested in different platforms like the iPad.

Jokes aside, Prince wasn't even saying the internet was over like that, he just didn't get the iPods and shit. lol People are just pushing this to their own beliefs as if Prince will be in kudos with it and he probably don't care less.

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Reply #21 posted 08/17/10 3:19pm

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crazydoctor said:

hey Prince is gonna sue! razz

oh god what did i do this time

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Reply #22 posted 08/17/10 3:43pm

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Timmy84 said:

Efan said:

I love Wired but I think they, like Prince, are jumping the gun.

Actually, I think Wired and Prince are saying two completely different things. Prince wasn't saying he was interested in different platforms like the iPad.

Jokes aside, Prince wasn't even saying the internet was over like that, he just didn't get the iPods and shit. lol People are just pushing this to their own beliefs as if Prince will be in kudos with it and he probably don't care less.

Probably? HA! ohgoon

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Reply #23 posted 08/17/10 3:53pm

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Timmy84 said:

Efan said:

I love Wired but I think they, like Prince, are jumping the gun.

Actually, I think Wired and Prince are saying two completely different things. Prince wasn't saying he was interested in different platforms like the iPad.

Jokes aside, Prince wasn't even saying the internet was over like that, he just didn't get the iPods and shit. lol People are just pushing this to their own beliefs as if Prince will be in kudos with it and he probably don't care less.

Mindreader, are you? rolleyes

I didn't post this having drawn any conclusions - or trying to push ideas on anyone. I just thought it amusing that others came out with nearly identical quotes (for whatever reasons) so soon after Prince said what he said.

Oh - and I don't know what it means to be "in kudos" with anything. Kudos are, basically, congratulations or praise given for an achievement. Which makes yours a completely nonsensical use of the word.

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Reply #24 posted 08/17/10 4:08pm

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Genesia said:

Timmy84 said:

Jokes aside, Prince wasn't even saying the internet was over like that, he just didn't get the iPods and shit. lol People are just pushing this to their own beliefs as if Prince will be in kudos with it and he probably don't care less.

Mindreader, are you? rolleyes

I didn't post this having drawn any conclusions - or trying to push ideas on anyone. I just thought it amusing that others came out with nearly identical quotes (for whatever reasons) so soon after Prince said what he said.

Oh - and I don't know what it means to be "in kudos" with anything. Kudos are, basically, congratulations or praise given for an achievement. Which makes yours a completely nonsensical use of the word.

Like he agrees with them lol that's what I meant. Call it nonsensical lol and no I'm not a mindreader. Just trying to have a conversation. But I'll leave this thread alone. wave

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Reply #25 posted 08/17/10 7:00pm

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PoppyBros said:

fuck obama!

Is that all you took away from this thread? lol lol

"For those who know the number and don't call...Fuck all y'all"
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Reply #26 posted 08/17/10 7:04pm

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wha is absolutely hilarious to me is that these nimwits guage the life or death of the internet by whether or not they are making any money from it LOL

goes to show how trapped some folks are in their tiny little money world, its got them so delusional they cant see past the dollar anymore

sort of like neurotic dogs chained to a post, they just keep going round and round, chasing their elusive dollar, wondering where it went, they only end up with their own asses in their mouths

for me the internet is a library of knowledge and communications (among other things), yet so many prefer to box it in to merely another money-making device

maybe they've been watching too much porn nuts

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Reply #27 posted 08/17/10 7:08pm

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HOLY SHIT!!!! Ray Bradbury is still alive?! eek

"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
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Reply #28 posted 08/18/10 3:05am

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He's still crazy.

my ears are transformed in Trumpets and i go buzzing day and night,

is the suffering the only one alternative for this love .................?

tell me an answer spoken by God to go the way , / what they say - the Opera..../, without pain......

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Reply #29 posted 08/18/10 3:27am

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Prince said the internet was dead, not the web. geek

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