Snowball said:

Chiquetet said:

No doubt the Wise One will tell the Muse what this song is really about, now that she's surrendered her discernment into his care and keeping

Hmm is it “under” his “care” for which the Pharaoh is speaking of?

OR is it the 1 the Pharaoh lives under?

Although that makes more sense to me philosophically, I don't think it's what's intended here, for two reasons - in the official lyrics, any pronoun reference to God is capitalised (ie. "Him" or "His"), which it is not in this case.

Also, in the next line it refers to who is in subjection to whom, where it clearly states that the woman is in subjection to the "Wise One", who is in subjection to "the only begotten one" (ie. Son of God), who is in subjection to God.

I would say its a magical transformation she must undergo, 2 realize her grace.

Then understanding from where, who and what for which she comes from.

Then she will bee-come "QUEEN" of her-"self" in turn becoming equal 2 the Pharaoh

Sigh.. not under.

That is the BALANCE

I believe he is attempting 2 lift her up

there is nothing above her but the 1 above

That's actually always been the meaning I've liked to ascribe to it myself, and I do think that in some ways it's what Prince intended as well...it's just that in some religions (including JW as far as I understand it), although everyone is equal, some are more equal than others

The obvious question is also that if it's about balance, why are we assuming that the man is already the wise one who knows all, and it's the muse that needs to lift her game? Or is that just an arbitrary choice within the storyline?

The Rainbow then being an equivalent 2 what happens when the Sun shines through the Rain creating the spectrum.

LIGHT

Rayz of the Aten

The Rainbow representing the musical scale,

the Artists

Becoming the Rainbow Children under the SUN/Aton

The Rain being the "MUSE" which the Sun gains it's light 2 create

I like your imagery here!

"the muse-ic" is the 1 who inspires creation

Inspiration

It's interesting that we always tend to think of muses as female, yet it's the feminine that's traditionally associated with creating (growing, nurturing), whilst the masculine is more associated with planting the seed that's to manifest (and when combined with Spirit, "inspiring" creation).

It’s about her soul coming into power of "true love"for which she gains her Palace n Place in Heaven on Earth in the Kingdom of the 1 true "God"

"with each passing day her love 4 the 1 true God"

Living in Love within n from her Heart

She bee-comes "Royal"

1 with the Sun/Son

Her-SELF+Him-Self+God

1+1+1=3

All good. Unfortunately that's not where the Theocratic Order officially ends, but I'm happy to organise a rewrite of it if you are

I think it all works well internally; ie. the children (products of our intentions and manifestations) are in subjection to the feminine (creation, manifestation), which is in subjection to the masculine (thoughts, intentions), which is in subjection to our Christ Self (higher or core self - our true Muse), which is in subjection to God/Source.

When we maintain this order within us vigilantly, we only plant meaningful, constructive seeds and don't waste energy cultivating useless 'children' such as resentment, blame, anger, etc...

When we try to apply that aspect of it to relationships, it goes a bit pear-shaped, because it's working on the assumption that the male within the relationship is always better equipped to lead than the female

It's the "work 1 must do....

lol what u think u become

Indeed - along the same lines as what you believe, you conceive

In all reality, I believe the Pharaoh is saying he wants 2 bow down 2 "her" this WO-MAN who has bee-come Queen

Hmmm...not sure there's any suggestion of that in the song, not that there's any need for either to bow down to the other.

Interesting take on things though! Thank you

robinhood said:

mayrain said:

U gonna make me pull out the cd and listen 2 it again. See I always thought that it was about Prince but on the down low. Kinda like he put himself and his "muse" (I am starting to not like this word very much ) in the story. Like u said no one knows but the pharaoh and his muse. I love how deep this is going...............it's a blast.

apparently the word 'pharaoh' means an ancient egyptian ruler, of religion and politics, and is a compound word for 'the sun god'.

i might be wrong on these definitions but they were the 1st to appear when i looked it up.

1. is/was Prince an ancient egyptian ruler?

2. an authority in religion and politics ... yet JW's dont support politics?

3. is prince the sun god when he clearly lives his days by the light of the moon?

I think I get what mayrain is saying here - what if it's done in a similar style (though greatly exaggerated) to Purple Rain? ie. it was a fictional story with somewhat fictional characters, but with strong autobiographical undertones.

In PR it was obvious, of course. TRC is far more mythical (seems based on history or biblical stories but doesn't quite fit any of them, so perhaps alludes to a potential prophesy beyond the second coming even?) but he may still have put shades of himself and a mystery girl into the Pharaoh/Muse storyline.

TrevorAyer said:

IF she could be muse to the pharoah someday she MIGHT be queen?

if she could be muse to prince maybe this song would be listenable ... one thing i find frustrating as a prince fan is when he ruins pretty good song ideas with rediculous lecture poetry. in fact i cannot in good concience call this poetry .. it has too much intention behind it .. it is not the word of god .. it is the word of man ... confused man at that ... the muse inspires truth .. this song lacks sincerety or love .. the muse has failed as the song states but reality is that prince failed and blames the muse.

Poetry is still poetry even when it has strong intention behind it though - ok, so lots of us here are questioning the intent in this case, but there is plenty of beautiful, inspired poetry in the world that is not diminished for being full of strong intention.

As for it being the word of man, anything that can be written, sung, spoken, etc... by definition is the word of man. It's only what you discover within (as you have stated further down) that could possibly be the word of God.

The moment you write/speak/sing it, it is translated into human language and becomes the word of man, thus subject to interpretation (or more importantly, misinterpretation).

Yes, I have my issues and questions regarding the song, but I disagree that it lacks sincerity or love and I certainly disagree with the interpretation that the muse has failed - where does the song state that?

prince concept of spirituality took a sharp nose dive during this era ... to me he sounds lost ... kinda like some tammy faye baker action all over a record .. yeah tammy can preach the same word as ghandi or moses but does it sound like she has a clue what spirituality is ... not to me anyway .. same for prince sorry ... and what is all this IF shit? ... sounds like the asshole in the relationship where IF u do this and IF u do that MAYYYYBE i will marry u ... well I guess he doesnt like her cuz he wants her to change and even then there is a big maybe MIGHT ... i dont think people who are walking a righteous path go around bribing people with being A QUEEN if they change this and that .. its just absurd .. besides with him she could only be princess ...

I still feel that something is being missed regarding the queen/marriage angle - I'm not convinced that it's so literal (though I realise that's how it plays out later on the album).

Last December has some beautiful lyrics that to me, suggest a lot of spiritual growth.

I get the impression from the album that Prince had found a new direction spiritually and was taking it and running with it before the dust had settled and he'd given his new beliefs a 'field test', so to speak. Thus we ended up with an album that has so many different themes, along with some very questionable insinuations, and perhaps some of the more beautiful and profound notions got lost in amongst the rhetoric.

sounds to me more like he is pissed at himself for not being able to write anything worthwhile and he's blaming it on her .. like he could be KING of pop if he only she was a better MUSE and if he was king he could make her queen .. wha?

I don't think this has anything to do with him being named Prince, or somehow 'less than' the King of Pop, or quite frankly anything to do with pop at all (particularly as it's primarily a jazz/funk album)

At no point does he sound angry regarding himself or the muse - the only anger in the album is when he speaks of the 'Banished Ones' or in Family Name, which was more political.

Lots of people may see the album as not being worthwhile, but many others (myself included) would disagree - and I'm betting Prince is one of them. I really don't think he's blaming the muse for anything.

as for factual or historical significance .. well most of what we accept as true .. be it bible history egypt gods goddesses etc... its all severely distorted and manipulated .. the message is out there .. in art .. in truth .. when u stop reiterating someone elses "teachings" or "understandings" and start thinking and feeling for yourself that is when u KNOW ... he who feels it knows it ... lets not forget all words are made of spelling and a spelling they will bee .. be cause that is the intention not the truth

I definitely second this - anything that exists externally can only be a product of the human world. To know God, you must start by knowing your True Self .

robinhood said:

snowball said:

1. I believe it means 1 who rules as or like the Sun/Son

just like "Christ" or the Light...Jesus is the Son of the Sun or Light

he is the Christ-ed Light ie he is illuminted or en-light-ened if u will

"Jesus Christ" along with many other "enlightened" beings were

"en-light-ened" they became like the light or of the light

2. "He" the Pharoah being a metaphor for 1 who surpases both religion n politics meaning he is above both.. he is 1 with the Sun/Aten/Ra

the "Gods" representing the 12 signs of the zodiac if u "follow the Son/Sun u place no other god before thee. The Sun being our source of light/life

meaning again he worships nothing above him but the 1 above the "Most High" IE as above so below... hence the Pyramids

"also in reference to this being a view from the monotheistic religion of the 1 Sun "God" of Moses/Iknahten

3. When Androgynous u are both lunar n solar male/female yin/yang light/dark with both of these components together combining u have the elixer of LIFE. U become a co-creator hence giving birth 2 a child is the representation of being a co-creator

A "Rainbow Child" then would be 1 who lives under the "Sun/Son" who understands he is liken 2 the image and made in the image of "God" being the Sun according to these beliefs. This then the "Son" being created from the Light for without light do we or will we exist? from nothing is the black hole of everything which is the possibilities of the Alpha n Omega of Everything and that becomes Infinite or Infinity

Each of these colors represents a planet/chakra/color/key on a musical scale/a vibration or a path 1 can follow ie worship, and that gets deep into symbols etc. which are used by all kinds of people/organizations/religions etc.

That on a side note I thought this would be a great reason why the Artists new Cd has no "BAR-CODE" that being a tool of "the evil 1" or Set in the ancient Egyptian system of beliefs.

Anyway so the Christ-ed light of Jesus being the light through a "man" which then is given the source of the Sun 2 create the colors from the light of the Son...

Or as an Artist will do he/she creates Muse-ic

This in theory of the views within certain belief systems for which Ancient n modern Egyptians "scolars" and spirit beings believe.

thanks for the information, appreciated

still struggling to see any similarity between all you have described, and prince.

could he really be deifying himself in this song? or is it just a story about a pharaoh?

i like the idea of the rainbow children being chakra-related, but i still wonder if that is what he meant

No problem Robinhood, I for certain am not sure if there is a "similarity" if u will but more of a familiarity, a kindship or a use of Archytypes for which Prince's choice of beliefs relating 2 the truth of Amarna and the art there of from now and from back then. As far as "chakra" relation my friend I would look towards the Last album "Lotus" and its art, most of the Artists posters as of late all showed this process of "enlight-en-ment" of the Artist hence Back 2 the lotus, and In ancient Egyptian religion the Lotus represents the attainment of enlightenment and is reprfesented as coming into the "crown" purple lotus and when coming from this Chakra or living amoungst it if u will has 2 do with the Purple REIGN or Rain if u will.

Now if u view the posters from the Lotus album and from 2010 oh I believe it is 2 O ten, ie 2 Otan by the way, u will notice there are always 7 or 8 dots representing the light of these chakras and 1 of the paintings showed the Artist sitting in Lotus position while using his 3rd eye representing the ability 2 use himself as a conductor. His etheral bodies being noticably marked around his body. The Pyramids on the lotusflower site representing the "KING n Queen" when attaining this information can use the Pyramids 2 leave Earth *Out of Body* hence the blue orb on the Lotusflow3r site. Notice also the number 3 being Horus/Isis/Osiris, Nefertiti/Ikhnaten/Tutukhamun so on and so on

The TRINITY

1 1 1=3

3 pyramids

There is also I would imagen no coincidence the Ibis bird on the site which was a symbol of Thoth and the moon above Bria representing the female energy or Isis of the "Moon"

So in theory some believe the pyramids 2 be star gates and during the rising of Sirius and the alignment of the Orion constillation 2 be this gateway into the universe. One who understands the journey 2 the

after-life can move through "dimensions" n "time travel" which is another example of being able 2 create reality or manipulate matter, using star energy. So if 1 were 2 master the physical body one then can master the ability the shift paradigms n see times in history 2 uncover that which is hidden within the Dna. ie the helix.

So no coincidence again the ibis bird which represents Thoth is also on the site and 2 mention that the Artist is in a honey comb that representing "royalty" and royalty of the ancient egytpians came from the understand of this system of the sun moon n stars. So during the time of the "Purple Reign" of the Crown chakra u bee-come Royal. A KING/QUEEN who rules him/her self, this Chakra in turn being represented by Aquarius which is the "Artist" lol the PURPLE YODA and the SUN/SON being the way n place for which shines through 2 intensify that energy it is "ruling" if u will this is then known as the "Aquarian Age" Think of Jesus being represented by the Fish and during that time in history. His-tory then becomes the time when "man" is ruled "by" Pisces. Thus Jesus Christ=the sun in the house of Pisces the fish represent aspects of a Sun/God perspective form of beliefs. So what man would then experience during that time is the cosmic forces for which Pisces or Aquarius would then represent or "shine" in, again the prism light effect onto the Earth.

So again my friend this has 2 do from the perspective of a Son/God form of beliefs

Which would clarify why a Pharoah would consider himself a "God" for he becomes a "GOD" through the SON/SUN of the Christ/Light, that which I can be u can be and much greater"

pinkdolphin said:

snowball said:

1. I believe it means 1 who rules as or like the Sun/Son

just like "Christ" or the Light...Jesus is the Son of the Sun or Light

he is the Christ-ed Light ie he is illuminted or en-light-ened if u will

"Jesus Christ" along with many other "enlightened" beings were

"en-light-ened" they became like the light or of the light

2. "He" the Pharoah being a metaphor for 1 who surpases both religion n politics meaning he is above both.. he is 1 with the Sun/Aten/Ra

the "Gods" representing the 12 signs of the zodiac if u "follow the Son/Sun u place no other god before thee. The Sun being our source of light/life

meaning again he worships nothing above him but the 1 above the "Most High" IE as above so below... hence the Pyramids

"also in reference to this being a view from the monotheistic religion of the 1 Sun "God" of Moses/Iknahten

3. When Androgynous u are both lunar n solar male/female yin/yang light/dark with both of these components together combining u have the elixer of LIFE. U become a co-creator hence giving birth 2 a child is the representation of being a co-creator

A "Rainbow Child" then would be 1 who lives under the "Sun/Son" who understands he is liken 2 the image and made in the image of "God" being the Sun according to these beliefs. This then the "Son" being created from the Light for without light do we or will we exist? from nothing is the black hole of everything which is the possibilities of the Alpha n Omega of Everything and that becomes Infinite or Infinity

Each of these colors represents a planet/chakra/color/key on a musical scale/a vibration or a path 1 can follow ie worship, and that gets deep into symbols etc. which are used by all kinds of people/organizations/religions etc.

That on a side note I thought this would be a great reason why the Artists new Cd has no "BAR-CODE" that being a tool of "the evil 1" or Set in the ancient Egyptian system of beliefs.

Anyway so the Christ-ed light of Jesus being the light through a "man" which then is given the source of the Sun 2 create the colors from the light of the Son...

Or as an Artist will do he/she creates Muse-ic

This in theory of the views within certain belief systems for which Ancient n modern Egyptians "scolars" and spirit beings believe.

interesting point !

lol I meant scholar lol I am cracking up tring 2 pronounce scolars

snowball said:

robinhood said:

thanks for the information, appreciated

still struggling to see any similarity between all you have described, and prince.

could he really be deifying himself in this song? or is it just a story about a pharaoh?

i like the idea of the rainbow children being chakra-related, but i still wonder if that is what he meant

No problem Robinhood, I for certain am not sure if there is a "similarity" if u will but more of a familiarity, a kindship or a use of Archytypes for which Prince's choice of beliefs relating 2 the truth of Amarna and the art there of from now and from back then. As far as "chakra" relation my friend I would look towards the Last album "Lotus" and its art, most of the Artists posters as of late all showed this process of "enlight-en-ment" of the Artist hence Back 2 the lotus, and In ancient Egyptian religion the Lotus represents the attainment of enlightenment and is reprfesented as coming into the "crown" purple lotus and when coming from this Chakra or living amoungst it if u will has 2 do with the Purple REIGN or Rain if u will.

Now if u view the posters from the Lotus album and from 2010 oh I believe it is 2 O ten, ie 2 Otan by the way, u will notice there are always 7 or 8 dots representing the light of these chakras and 1 of the paintings showed the Artist sitting in Lotus position while using his 3rd eye representing the ability 2 use himself as a conductor. His etheral bodies being noticably marked around his body. The Pyramids on the lotusflower site representing the "KING n Queen" when attaining this information can use the Pyramids 2 leave Earth *Out of Body* hence the blue orb on the Lotusflow3r site. Notice also the number 3 being Horus/Isis/Osiris, Nefertiti/Ikhnaten/Tutukhamun so on and so on

The TRINITY

1 1 1=3

3 pyramids

There is also I would imagen no coincidence the Ibis bird on the site which was a symbol of Thoth and the moon above Bria representing the female energy or Isis of the "Moon"

So in theory some believe the pyramids 2 be star gates and during the rising of Sirius and the alignment of the Orion constillation 2 be this gateway into the universe. One who understands the journey 2 the

after-life can move through "dimensions" n "time travel" which is another example of being able 2 create reality or manipulate matter, using star energy. So if 1 were 2 master the physical body one then can master the ability the shift paradigms n see times in history 2 uncover that which is hidden within the Dna. ie the helix.

So no coincidence again the ibis bird which represents Thoth is also on the site and 2 mention that the Artist is in a honey comb that representing "royalty" and royalty of the ancient egytpians came from the understand of this system of the sun moon n stars. So during the time of the "Purple Reign" of the Crown chakra u bee-come Royal. A KING/QUEEN who rules him/her self, this Chakra in turn being represented by Aquarius which is the "Artist" lol the PURPLE YODA and the SUN/SON being the way n place for which shines through 2 intensify that energy it is "ruling" if u will this is then known as the "Aquarian Age" Think of Jesus being represented by the Fish and during that time in history. His-tory then becomes the time when "man" is ruled "by" Pisces. Thus Jesus Christ=the sun in the house of Pisces the fish represent aspects of a Sun/God perspective form of beliefs. So what man would then experience during that time is the cosmic forces for which Pisces or Aquarius would then represent or "shine" in, again the prism light effect onto the Earth.

So again my friend this has 2 do from the perspective of a Son/God form of beliefs

Which would clarify why a Pharoah would consider himself a "God" for he becomes a "GOD" through the SON/SUN of the Christ/Light, that which I can be u can be and much greater"

thanks again for sharing your knowledge and interpretations of prince's art

its amazing how so much detail can be gleaned from a song or an album cover

i too see many spiritual ideas/icons/archetypes/themes being expressed in his work

might even be fair to say he is deliberate in his use of some of them

not to suggest prince isnt capable of enlightenment or even of being christ-like..

but i guess i just dont perceive him that way

too many strikes against him in that regard, his treatment of fans, his loud mouth, his love of money, his many contradictions and perhaps disturbing lies...

they dont paint a christly image to me

i'm sure he can be a nice person when he really wants to though

maybe thats enough

robinhood said:

snowball said:

No problem Robinhood, I for certain am not sure if there is a "similarity" if u will but more of a familiarity, a kindship or a use of Archytypes for which Prince's choice of beliefs relating 2 the truth of Amarna and the art there of from now and from back then. As far as "chakra" relation my friend I would look towards the Last album "Lotus" and its art, most of the Artists posters as of late all showed this process of "enlight-en-ment" of the Artist hence Back 2 the lotus, and In ancient Egyptian religion the Lotus represents the attainment of enlightenment and is reprfesented as coming into the "crown" purple lotus and when coming from this Chakra or living amoungst it if u will has 2 do with the Purple REIGN or Rain if u will.

Now if u view the posters from the Lotus album and from 2010 oh I believe it is 2 O ten, ie 2 Otan by the way, u will notice there are always 7 or 8 dots representing the light of these chakras and 1 of the paintings showed the Artist sitting in Lotus position while using his 3rd eye representing the ability 2 use himself as a conductor. His etheral bodies being noticably marked around his body. The Pyramids on the lotusflower site representing the "KING n Queen" when attaining this information can use the Pyramids 2 leave Earth *Out of Body* hence the blue orb on the Lotusflow3r site. Notice also the number 3 being Horus/Isis/Osiris, Nefertiti/Ikhnaten/Tutukhamun so on and so on

The TRINITY

1 1 1=3

3 pyramids

There is also I would imagen no coincidence the Ibis bird on the site which was a symbol of Thoth and the moon above Bria representing the female energy or Isis of the "Moon"

So in theory some believe the pyramids 2 be star gates and during the rising of Sirius and the alignment of the Orion constillation 2 be this gateway into the universe. One who understands the journey 2 the

after-life can move through "dimensions" n "time travel" which is another example of being able 2 create reality or manipulate matter, using star energy. So if 1 were 2 master the physical body one then can master the ability the shift paradigms n see times in history 2 uncover that which is hidden within the Dna. ie the helix.

So no coincidence again the ibis bird which represents Thoth is also on the site and 2 mention that the Artist is in a honey comb that representing "royalty" and royalty of the ancient egytpians came from the understand of this system of the sun moon n stars. So during the time of the "Purple Reign" of the Crown chakra u bee-come Royal. A KING/QUEEN who rules him/her self, this Chakra in turn being represented by Aquarius which is the "Artist" lol the PURPLE YODA and the SUN/SON being the way n place for which shines through 2 intensify that energy it is "ruling" if u will this is then known as the "Aquarian Age" Think of Jesus being represented by the Fish and during that time in history. His-tory then becomes the time when "man" is ruled "by" Pisces. Thus Jesus Christ=the sun in the house of Pisces the fish represent aspects of a Sun/God perspective form of beliefs. So what man would then experience during that time is the cosmic forces for which Pisces or Aquarius would then represent or "shine" in, again the prism light effect onto the Earth.

So again my friend this has 2 do from the perspective of a Son/God form of beliefs

Which would clarify why a Pharoah would consider himself a "God" for he becomes a "GOD" through the SON/SUN of the Christ/Light, that which I can be u can be and much greater"

thanks again for sharing your knowledge and interpretations of prince's art

its amazing how so much detail can be gleaned from a song or an album cover

i too see many spiritual ideas/icons/archetypes/themes being expressed in his work

might even be fair to say he is deliberate in his use of some of them

not to suggest prince isnt capable of enlightenment or even of being christ-like..

but i guess i just dont perceive him that way

too many strikes against him in that regard, his treatment of fans, his loud mouth, his love of money, his many contradictions and perhaps disturbing lies...

they dont paint a christly image to me

i'm sure he can be a nice person when he really wants to though

maybe thats enough

EDUCATION OF THE SUN/SON

Pretty good info on the culture and mindset of the Pharoah which worshiped the SUN/SON

It may answer ur questions as far as understanding the thought process of a Pharoah believeing he is 1 with God...

http://www.savitridevi.org/son.pdf

[Edited 8/29/10 12:25pm]

snowball said:

robinhood said:

thanks again for sharing your knowledge and interpretations of prince's art

its amazing how so much detail can be gleaned from a song or an album cover

i too see many spiritual ideas/icons/archetypes/themes being expressed in his work

might even be fair to say he is deliberate in his use of some of them

not to suggest prince isnt capable of enlightenment or even of being christ-like..

but i guess i just dont perceive him that way

too many strikes against him in that regard, his treatment of fans, his loud mouth, his love of money, his many contradictions and perhaps disturbing lies...

they dont paint a christly image to me

i'm sure he can be a nice person when he really wants to though

maybe thats enough

EDUCATION OF THE SUN/SON

Pretty good info on the culture and mindset of the Pharoah which worshiped the SUN/SON

It may answer ur questions as far as understanding the thought process of a Pharoah believeing he is 1 with God...

http://www.savitridevi.org/son.pdf

thank you for the file - havent read it all yet - but can safely say i think i understand the idea of oneness with God

in regards to someone's thought process believing he is one with God, a few scenarios come to mind, but it might be fair to say that an egoic individual is less likely to become one with God and more likely to become one with Satan, or at the very least an old testament God of wrath and doom.

ego likens itself to God, and loves to think of itself as being one with God, but the bubble is quickly burst when the identity is tested, and a petty tyrant is revealed to behind it all.

but i totally appreciate any genuine reference to your mention of being at one with God, maybe the pharaohs of old were exactly that, and shone like the son/sun.

fastforward to 2010, might be fair to say the world has no further use for a 'God' who subjegates women and rules his kingdom with great fury and blood-lusting wrath.

i've been under the impression for some time that what the world needs now is love.

robinhood said:

snowball said:

EDUCATION OF THE SUN/SON

Pretty good info on the culture and mindset of the Pharoah which worshiped the SUN/SON

It may answer ur questions as far as understanding the thought process of a Pharoah believeing he is 1 with God...

http://www.savitridevi.org/son.pdf

thank you for the file - havent read it all yet - but can safely say i think i understand the idea of oneness with God

in regards to someone's thought process believing he is one with God, a few scenarios come to mind, but it might be fair to say that an egoic individual is less likely to become one with God and more likely to become one with Satan, or at the very least an old testament God of wrath and doom.

ego likens itself to God, and loves to think of itself as being one with God, but the bubble is quickly burst when the identity is tested, and a petty tyrant is revealed to behind it all.

but i totally appreciate any genuine reference to your mention of being at one with God, maybe the pharaohs of old were exactly that, and shone like the son/sun.

fastforward to 2010, might be fair to say the world has no further use for a 'God' who subjegates women and rules his kingdom with great fury and blood-lusting wrath.

i've been under the impression for some time that what the world needs now is love.

In all actuality I would say it all depends on each persons interpretation of what "God". Essentially that would then define the mindset of what that person would become if they were 1 with God, again defined by the persons "mind" not soul. If the soul is defined by God being love then they would become that which they seek 2 define themselves with. Then the ? is WHO R U, and that is the answer 2 the ? of u. Who u r and what u "think" u are is the perfect example of defining what u become depending on what u believe... Now what u FEEL is much different and what u feel is truly that which defines in my eyes who u are in ur soul then knowing urself becomes that reflection

And 2 say someone becomes like Satan if they become like GOD would say that that person then in fact believes in Satan not God depending on his/her beliefs of what God is or isnt...

snowball said:

robinhood said:

thank you for the file - havent read it all yet - but can safely say i think i understand the idea of oneness with God

in regards to someone's thought process believing he is one with God, a few scenarios come to mind, but it might be fair to say that an egoic individual is less likely to become one with God and more likely to become one with Satan, or at the very least an old testament God of wrath and doom.

ego likens itself to God, and loves to think of itself as being one with God, but the bubble is quickly burst when the identity is tested, and a petty tyrant is revealed to behind it all.

but i totally appreciate any genuine reference to your mention of being at one with God, maybe the pharaohs of old were exactly that, and shone like the son/sun.

fastforward to 2010, might be fair to say the world has no further use for a 'God' who subjegates women and rules his kingdom with great fury and blood-lusting wrath.

i've been under the impression for some time that what the world needs now is love.

In all actuality I would say it all depends on each persons interpretation of what "God". Essentially that would then define the mindset of what that person would become if they were 1 with God, again defined by the persons "mind" not soul. If the soul is defined by God being love then they would become that which they seek 2 define themselves with. Then the ? is WHO R U, and that is the answer 2 the ? of u. Who u r and what u "think" u are is the perfect example of defining what u become depending on what u believe... Now what u FEEL is much different and what u feel is truly that which defines in my eyes who u are in ur soul then knowing urself becomes that reflection

And 2 say someone becomes like Satan if they become like GOD would say that that person then in fact believes in Satan not God depending on his/her beliefs of what God is or isnt...

maybe some perceive God as being "all powerful" and seek to excercise their power over other people thinking it makes them Godly - when in reality they're merely engaging in another egoic pursuit.

i guess those of us who believe 'God' is L.O.V.E. ( a certain cellular vibratory rate ) would probably align ourselves with love, the greatest power of all.

WHO i am and what i FEEL might only pertain to my ego self - the part of me that believes it is separate from other people and 'God'.

in my belief, it is only when we drop all sense of identification that a true unity with 'God' can be achieved.

of course there's a few other prerequisites, which i've heard take thousands of lifetimes to develop, if you believe in that kind of thing.

i personally dont relate to 'God' based on who or what i think or believe i am, i dont feel comfortable re-making 'God' in my own image, we are made in 'God's' image, not the other way around...

needless to say, many have re-made God in their own image over the ages, but i guess its just not for me.

i once heard it said that 'God' wants out of the box that other people have nailed 'him' in.

robinhood said:

snowball said:

In all actuality I would say it all depends on each persons interpretation of what "God". Essentially that would then define the mindset of what that person would become if they were 1 with God, again defined by the persons "mind" not soul. If the soul is defined by God being love then they would become that which they seek 2 define themselves with. Then the ? is WHO R U, and that is the answer 2 the ? of u. Who u r and what u "think" u are is the perfect example of defining what u become depending on what u believe... Now what u FEEL is much different and what u feel is truly that which defines in my eyes who u are in ur soul then knowing urself becomes that reflection

And 2 say someone becomes like Satan if they become like GOD would say that that person then in fact believes in Satan not God depending on his/her beliefs of what God is or isnt...

maybe some perceive God as being "all powerful" and seek to excercise their power over other people thinking it makes them Godly - when in reality they're merely engaging in another egoic pursuit.

i guess those of us who believe 'God' is L.O.V.E. ( a certain cellular vibratory rate ) would probably align ourselves with love, the greatest power of all.

WHO i am and what i FEEL might only pertain to my ego self - the part of me that believes it is separate from other people and 'God'.

in my belief, it is only when we drop all sense of identification that a true unity with 'God' can be achieved.

of course there's a few other prerequisites, which i've heard take thousands of lifetimes to develop, if you believe in that kind of thing.

i personally dont relate to 'God' based on who or what i think or believe i am, i dont feel comfortable re-making 'God' in my own image, we are made in 'God's' image, not the other way around...

needless to say, many have re-made God in their own image over the ages, but i guess its just not for me.

i once heard it said that 'God' wants out of the box that other people have nailed 'him' in.

if god is love

then what is love ? can we see it ? can we hear it? can we really feel it? and how do i know love is here or there ?is love permanent? can love be lost? where are the places love can be found?

what about hate too ..is hate love? if love is the greatest power of all then why do i get feelings of hate ? does it mean im weak? can i be cured of this weakness?

what about if someone loves to kill people ? i mean...its still the love right?

is love good or bad ?

PicklesMcMillan said:

robinhood said:

maybe some perceive God as being "all powerful" and seek to excercise their power over other people thinking it makes them Godly - when in reality they're merely engaging in another egoic pursuit.

i guess those of us who believe 'God' is L.O.V.E. ( a certain cellular vibratory rate ) would probably align ourselves with love, the greatest power of all.

WHO i am and what i FEEL might only pertain to my ego self - the part of me that believes it is separate from other people and 'God'.

in my belief, it is only when we drop all sense of identification that a true unity with 'God' can be achieved.

of course there's a few other prerequisites, which i've heard take thousands of lifetimes to develop, if you believe in that kind of thing.

i personally dont relate to 'God' based on who or what i think or believe i am, i dont feel comfortable re-making 'God' in my own image, we are made in 'God's' image, not the other way around...

needless to say, many have re-made God in their own image over the ages, but i guess its just not for me.

i once heard it said that 'God' wants out of the box that other people have nailed 'him' in.

if god is love

then what is love ? can we see it ? can we hear it? can we really feel it? and how do i know love is here or there ?is love permanent? can love be lost? where are the places love can be found?

what about hate too ..is hate love? if love is the greatest power of all then why do i get feelings of hate ? does it mean im weak? can i be cured of this weakness?

what about if someone loves to kill people ? i mean...its still the love right?

is love good or bad ?

pickles these are all great questions in my opinion.

i learnt (and am still learning) about love by discovering what love is not - but that's just how i go through my own process - usually through contrasting experiences.., and i dont expect anyone to jump on board with my beliefs.

better for you to have your own experiences that give you answers to your questions than for me to answer your questions according to my beliefs.

let me know if you come to any of your own conclusions though, if you feel like having a chat about it.

robinhood said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

if god is love

then what is love ? can we see it ? can we hear it? can we really feel it? and how do i know love is here or there ?is love permanent? can love be lost? where are the places love can be found?

what about hate too ..is hate love? if love is the greatest power of all then why do i get feelings of hate ? does it mean im weak? can i be cured of this weakness?

what about if someone loves to kill people ? i mean...its still the love right?

is love good or bad ?

pickles these are all great questions in my opinion.

i learnt (and am still learning) about love by discovering what love is not - but that's just how i go through my own process - usually through contrasting experiences.., and i dont expect anyone to jump on board with my beliefs.

better for you to have your own experiences that give you answers to your questions than for me to answer your questions according to my beliefs.

let me know if you come to any of your own conclusions though, if you feel like having a chat about it.

i guess to me love is the wonder of wondering but having a pillow of faith/hope to rest on

just being here in the moment doing whatever ...im just grateful

PicklesMcMillan said:

robinhood said:

pickles these are all great questions in my opinion.

i learnt (and am still learning) about love by discovering what love is not - but that's just how i go through my own process - usually through contrasting experiences.., and i dont expect anyone to jump on board with my beliefs.

better for you to have your own experiences that give you answers to your questions than for me to answer your questions according to my beliefs.

let me know if you come to any of your own conclusions though, if you feel like having a chat about it.

i guess to me love is the wonder of wondering but having a pillow of faith/hope to rest on

just being here in the moment doing whatever ...im just grateful

sounds good pickles

I really like this song, and TRC as an album.

I could be being super-naive, but I think what is meant in the line "holocaust aside, many lived and died", is that people understandably fixate on the horror of the holocaust, but many people outside this event have 'lived and died'.

That's to say, people in their infinite wisdom have killed before and after the holocaust, so humanity has learned nothing from their gruesome past.

The next line, "would you rather be dead or be sold", poses another question. I don't think these are intended to be directly linked, other than to again highlight the injustices humanity perpetrates on one another.

I honestly don't think Prince was saying that slavery was worse than the holocaust. More that humanity is capable of great evil, and seemingly learns nothing from these acts.

I could of course be completely wrong

unkleg said:

I really like this song, and TRC as an album.

I could be being super-naive, but I think what is meant in the line "holocaust aside, many lived and died", is that people understandably fixate on the horror of the holocaust, but many people outside this event have 'lived and died'.

That's to say, people in their infinite wisdom have killed before and after the holocaust, so humanity has learned nothing from their gruesome past.

The next line, "would you rather be dead or be sold", poses another question. I don't think these are intended to be directly linked, other than to again highlight the injustices humanity perpetrates on one another.

I honestly don't think Prince was saying that slavery was worse than the holocaust. More that humanity is capable of great evil, and seemingly learns nothing from these acts.

I could of course be completely wrong

either way, i like your interpretation.

Who knows here the legend of the Queen Shabbat ?

Cerebus said:

I really like TRC album and this is one of my favorite tracks, but I can't get into these conversations anymore. It's been almost ten years and they're still ragers. Often very passionate, intelligent ragers, but they rage all the same because it's nearly impossible to have a middle ground opinion regarding the lyrical content of this album. Most people tend to loath it, love it, or lean pretty heavily to one side or the other. Personally, I think a lot of what Prince says on this album is head-scratchingly messed up! (yes, I used a non-existent word, thank you for noticing) Unfortunately, the album is still funky.

I actually really enjoyed this thread - it turned into a truly interesting, respectful discussion. I wouldn't say this one was a rager at all (certainly not like some of the others I've seen around here).

I know when TRC first came out the situation was different, and this thread did seem to head in that direction initially, but there are some really interesting perspectives shared here if you venture in a little further - some I agree with, some I don't, but I found at least some truth (or at least something to think about) in almost every post and there is very little bickering, but rather just a sharing of ideas and beliefs.

That said, my only potential regret is that I got drawn into analysing the lyrics a little more than I would've liked. Muse is a magical song and probably best enjoyed that way, without going too deep into philosophies that may not even be relevant to Prince himself 10 years later.

Chiquetet said:

Cerebus said:

I really like TRC album and this is one of my favorite tracks, but I can't get into these conversations anymore. It's been almost ten years and they're still ragers. Often very passionate, intelligent ragers, but they rage all the same because it's nearly impossible to have a middle ground opinion regarding the lyrical content of this album. Most people tend to loath it, love it, or lean pretty heavily to one side or the other. Personally, I think a lot of what Prince says on this album is head-scratchingly messed up! (yes, I used a non-existent word, thank you for noticing) Unfortunately, the album is still funky.

I actually really enjoyed this thread - it turned into a truly interesting, respectful discussion. I wouldn't say this one was a rager at all (certainly not like some of the others I've seen around here).

I know when TRC first came out the situation was different, and this thread did seem to head in that direction initially, but there are some really interesting perspectives shared here if you venture in a little further - some I agree with, some I don't, but I found at least some truth (or at least something to think about) in almost every post and there is very little bickering, but rather just a sharing of ideas and beliefs.

That said, my only potential regret is that I got drawn into analysing the lyrics a little more than I would've liked. Muse is a magical song and probably best enjoyed that way, without going too deep into philosophies that may not even be relevant to Prince himself 10 years later.

I read all of page one and part of page two - seemed to be going pretty well. The problem is that there are so many ideas, concepts, questions and philosophies being discussed with passion and intelligence that I want to start writing long responses to all of them. Makes muh head hurt.

Cerebus said:

I read all of page one and part of page two - seemed to be going pretty well. The problem is that there are so many ideas, concepts, questions and philosophies being discussed with passion and intelligence that I want to start writing long responses to all of them. Makes muh head hurt.

Ah, yes, then overwhelm sets in - I know that feeling, lol! Fair enough

I think the best remedy for that is to just kick back and listen to the album instead

well this is a surprise, seeing this thread come back to life