sosgemini said:

The hilarious thing is that how often has Prince "lifted" other's ideas without credit. Dude should have just kept his piehole shut.

It's like you can't take the heat in the kitchen when someone steals from YOU and you're supposed to be the leader. It's like well you ain't getting money off this. He was just upset Jam & Lewis produced hits with others more than he did lol

GuardianAngel said:

jcurley said:

Ernest-I have now started searching for your responses to subject matter coz I quite liek and rate them but on that last statement are you taking the piss?? (And don't go"Why are you using two question marks?" Mr pedant). I remember singing along in parents car as a young teenager thinking it was like a pop rip off Prince-even the hair on one side was swept back. You like to state opinion as fact Ernest-so I will say you are absolutely WRONG. The 90's stuff had a far sublter feel that Idoes not belong to P or The Time but for heaven's sake she couldn't have got there without P& The Time and let me be cruel some diet help coz she suddenly went quite horney. Talent she ain't-good package she was. I loved that control period -it was how I feel people (or the industry) took the best of the era without the personality issues. She took (managers) the crap out of what most people want and leave them with pop fun-nothing wrong with that as long as you don't argue superiority over the source

There is no doubt about Prince's major influence on music and almost anything remotely related to music in the 80's. But let's not assume that everything he did was unique and trend setting. There are a lot of things that he maybe made more famous, or was accredited with afterwards, but did not really invent. As for instance your statement about the hair being swept back. Just new wave, nothing more. As for the musical influence, I humbly suggest we consider the possibility that this typical sound was (mainly) Jam & Lewis their contribution in the The Time / Janet ' music, not Prince's. If you listen closely to The Time, you might arguably even hear what parts are influenced by them, and what are pure Prince's - if there is even such a thing.

I totally agree with Marrk's statement about jam & Lewis.

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Prince had that style before HE produced The Time.

Jam & Lewis, Jesse Johnson, Morris Day & Andre Cymone (Jody Watley) commerialized Prince's sound

Prince probably wishes he wrote it, sounds a little bit like "feel u up" I suppose.

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BEAUGARDE said:

Jam & Lewis, Jesse Johnson, Morris Day & Andre Cymone (Jody Watley) commerialized Prince's sound

Well said.

And (almost?)every Prince fan loved those artists and especially What have you done...

I think he shouts; who wrote that? 2 indicate that he didn't write the song;

he did the same thing when he played The Jacksons' song recently.

Toofunkyinhere said:

Prince probably wishes he wrote it, sounds a little bit like "feel u up" I suppose.

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Probably does. lol

I always felt he was simply alluding to the fact that the song sounded like something he might have written.

Jam & Lewis took the Minneapolis sound that PRINCE CREATED and ran with it - even after Prince had moved on to different styles. It's that simple.

I think the statement was alluding to the fact that the song was such a pure example of the machanics of the MPLS Sound in action (a style which Flyte Time arguably picked up with their time under Prince) that he was saying like "These guys a copying me down to a T! This is my Sound!" And I half think he's right. A lot of Janets stuff with Jam & Lewis sounds like the Time sung by Vanity 6 but not quite as dirty. IMO

Wildboy said:

I think the statement was alluding to the fact that the song was such a pure example of the machanics of the MPLS Sound in action (a style which Flyte Time arguably picked up with their time under Prince) that he was saying like "These guys a copying me down to a T! This is my Sound!" And I half think he's right. A lot of Janets stuff with Jam & Lewis sounds like the Time sung by Vanity 6 but not quite as dirty. IMO

Exactly!

BEAUGARDE said:

Wildboy said:

I think the statement was alluding to the fact that the song was such a pure example of the machanics of the MPLS Sound in action (a style which Flyte Time arguably picked up with their time under Prince) that he was saying like "These guys a copying me down to a T! This is my Sound!" And I half think he's right. A lot of Janets stuff with Jam & Lewis sounds like the Time sung by Vanity 6 but not quite as dirty. IMO

Exactly!

It could have been a dig based on the timing, Jam and Lewis were on their way up as superstars and Prince was starting to level out and ultimately remove himself from the main stage. Jam and Lewis are peers, veterans of the Minneapolis scene so they need not apologize for how that album sounded. To me, a fan of that particular sound Jam/Lewis, Jody Watley and others were supplying us with that sound as Prince ventured further away from it. Prince was pulling rank, partly givin props but also pointing out the simpliciity of the sound and how easily he could blend it into another groove. The thing i loved about Jam and Lewis was that they had Minneapolis training but Motown sentiment; they knew the sound was hot so they rocked it until the wheels came off. They were selfless sidemen without the burden of genuis which made them better producers than Prince. They pretty much took something he threw away and made it their signiture sound, a sound that pretty much increased the chances of an artist scoring a hit in that period.

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dreamshaman32 said:

BEAUGARDE said:

Exactly!

It could have been a dig based on the timing, Jam and Lewis were on their way up as superstars and Prince was starting to level out and ultimately remove himself from the main stage. Jam and Lewis are peers, veterans of the Minneapolis scene so they need not apologize for how that album sounded. To me, a fan of that particular sound Jam/Lewis, Jody Watley and others were supplying us with that sound as Prince ventured further away from it. Prince was pulling rank, partly givin props but also pointing out the simpliciity of the sound and how easily he could blend it into another groove. The thing i loved about Jam and Lewis was that they had Minneapolis training but Motown sentiment; they knew the sound was hot so they rocked it until the wheels came off. They were selfless sidemen without the burden of genuis which made them better producers than Prince. They pretty much took something he threw away and made it their signiture sound, a sound that pretty much increased the chances of an artist scoring a hit in that period.

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Um, are we still talking about 1990 when Prince was saying this during that Nude Tour show?? Jam & Lewis WERE superstars by then, and Prince was certainly not starting out to "level", whatever that's supposed to mean.

After the GB flop, he did ALL that he could to be a star again with D&P!

BEAUGARDE said:

GuardianAngel said:

There is no doubt about Prince's major influence on music and almost anything remotely related to music in the 80's. But let's not assume that everything he did was unique and trend setting. There are a lot of things that he maybe made more famous, or was accredited with afterwards, but did not really invent. As for instance your statement about the hair being swept back. Just new wave, nothing more. As for the musical influence, I humbly suggest we consider the possibility that this typical sound was (mainly) Jam & Lewis their contribution in the The Time / Janet ' music, not Prince's. If you listen closely to The Time, you might arguably even hear what parts are influenced by them, and what are pure Prince's - if there is even such a thing.

I totally agree with Marrk's statement about jam & Lewis.

[Edited 8/6/10 11:01am]

Prince had that style before HE produced The Time.

Yes, I know what you mean, but the sound/style discussed here is one that gradually formed and developped within that collaboration of artists. Surely you hear the development when you listen to The Time chronologically, the sound moving from very much Prince to more J&L influence - by what they were doing.

[Edited 8/10/10 6:56am]

wasitgood4u said:

Listen, it was basically a shout out! He had recently patched things up with JJ and TL and he was giving them props. And homework, people (I sound like Bart!): Flyte Tyme couldn't steal that sound, they were part of the scene from which it grew. It would make equal (non)sense to claim p stole the sound from them!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

dreamshaman32 said:

It could have been a dig based on the timing, Jam and Lewis were on their way up as superstars and Prince was starting to level out and ultimately remove himself from the main stage. Jam and Lewis are peers, veterans of the Minneapolis scene so they need not apologize for how that album sounded. To me, a fan of that particular sound Jam/Lewis, Jody Watley and others were supplying us with that sound as Prince ventured further away from it. Prince was pulling rank, partly givin props but also pointing out the simpliciity of the sound and how easily he could blend it into another groove. The thing i loved about Jam and Lewis was that they had Minneapolis training but Motown sentiment; they knew the sound was hot so they rocked it until the wheels came off. They were selfless sidemen without the burden of genuis which made them better producers than Prince. They pretty much took something he threw away and made it their signiture sound, a sound that pretty much increased the chances of an artist scoring a hit in that period.

[Edited 8/10/10 3:13am]

Um, are we still talking about 1990 when Prince was saying this during that Nude Tour show?? Jam & Lewis WERE superstars by then, and Prince was certainly not starting out to "level", whatever that's supposed to mean.

After the GB flop, he did ALL that he could to be a star again with D&P!

To level out is to pretty much remain stagnant, D&P never returned him to previous levels..sorry

dreamshaman32 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Um, are we still talking about 1990 when Prince was saying this during that Nude Tour show?? Jam & Lewis WERE superstars by then, and Prince was certainly not starting out to "level", whatever that's supposed to mean.

After the GB flop, he did ALL that he could to be a star again with D&P!

To level out is to pretty much remain stagnant, D&P never returned him to previous levels..sorry

I never mentioned "previous levels" but just being a "star", and his musical profile was probably the highest it had ever been (during the D&P era) since the PR days.

Don't mistake this to say that his music was as good as back in the PR days, just his visible musical profile.

I think Prince plays "WHYDFML" because he likes the song. It adds to an already good party.

Plus by Prince playing "WHYDMFL" it helps give Janet (and by their working association Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis) exposure. Which will help keep all of them, including The Time, in everyone's minds. The Time are working on an album and probably by now Janet is working on another album.

GuardianAngel said:

BEAUGARDE said:

Prince had that style before HE produced The Time.

Yes, I know what you mean, but the sound/style discussed here is one that gradually formed and developped within that collaboration of artists. Surely you hear the development when you listen to The Time chronologically, the sound moving from very much Prince to more J&L influence - by what they were doing.

[Edited 8/10/10 6:56am]

Yeah and while Prince was the main one producing the sound, it didn't sound like that when he first came out, it was a development that was concocted by a LOT of folks. Prince wouldn't have been caught dead singing something like what came from the S.O.S. Band or even Alexander O'Neal or Cherrelle and DEFINITELY not Janet.

RedKite said:

I think Prince plays "WHYDFML" because he likes the song. It adds to an already good party.

And that's really all there is to it.

[Edited 8/11/10 4:08am]

sosgemini said:

Ahhh, gotta love the org.

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN?!?!!

RedKite said:

I think Prince plays "WHYDFML" because he likes the song. It adds to an already good party.

Plus by Prince playing "WHYDMFL" it helps give Janet (and by their working association Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis) exposure. Which will help keep all of them, including The Time, in everyone's minds. The Time are working on an album and probably by now Janet is working on another album.

Janet definitely did not need the help of Prince with exposure by the time 1990 rolled around. She was touring the world with 2 multi platinum albums and numerous more hits than he did from the same period, 1986-1990.