Since when did it become a bad thing to be spiritual or religious? Gnawing on the leg of the Lion of Judah will only get you bitten twice as hard...

Purpracer2 said:

Since when did it become a bad thing to be spiritual or religious?

Since the Enlightenment.

MoneyMade said:

Here's what the future will be................

In the future....Prince will for example,,,distribute three different CD's in many different publications. Therefore, if you want the CD with the best songs....you'll gladly buy all 3 magazines before anyone else can download the files online. Prince gets his advance...you get all the music.

He did that with Lotu$flower. He put a different songs on the members' download and on the Target version.

That pissed me off. I was a founding member of Lotu$flower. For $77, I shouldn't have had to pay another $12 just so I could have "Crimson and Clover". So I didn't. To this day, I don't have a studio version of "Crimson and Clover".

If Prince were to release three different CDs that shared some songs and had some different songs on each one, I hate to say it but I'd probably buy one CD and download the other songs I didn't have.

Making me pay 3 times for the songs that are on all 3 CDs is not right or justifiable. So if that's Prince's model, it's a flawed one in my opinion.

RodeoSchro said:

MoneyMade said:

Here's what the future will be................

In the future....Prince will for example,,,distribute three different CD's in many different publications. Therefore, if you want the CD with the best songs....you'll gladly buy all 3 magazines before anyone else can download the files online. Prince gets his advance...you get all the music.

He did that with Lotu$flower. He put a different songs on the members' download and on the Target version.

That pissed me off. I was a founding member of Lotu$flower. For $77, I shouldn't have had to pay another $12 just so I could have "Crimson and Clover". So I didn't. To this day, I don't have a studio version of "Crimson and Clover".

If Prince were to release three different CDs that shared some songs and had some different songs on each one, I hate to say it but I'd probably buy one CD and download the other songs I didn't have.

Making me pay 3 times for the songs that are on all 3 CDs is not right or justifiable. So if that's Prince's model, it's a flawed one in my opinion.

Lotusflow3r is 5 bucks at target-if you want to pick it up.

MoneyMade said:

robinhood said:

we subscribe to a world in which everyone's needs are met.

we do not subscribe to a world in which Prince gets what Prince wants, at other people's expense.

one is the mark of evolved, humane beings.

the other, an adolescent.

hopefully this clears things up for you, MoneyMade

if not, then maybe this will:

most of us learned how to share in kindergarten

was Prince absent that day?

No he took his ball and went home!

Now what are U left with???

HERE'S SOME INSIGHT FOR YOU....I CANCELLED A TOUR FOR A MAJOR ARTIST

WHY? BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR SOME OF YOU 'S CHEAP BASTIDS TO WAIT FOR THE UPLOAD

ON YOUTUBE.

EVEN LIVE NATION'S STOCK IS DOWN 50% BECAUSE NO ONE'S GOING TO CONCERTS....

IT STARTED WITH FREE DOWNLOADS....

"But I got newssssss for ya...FREEDOM AIN'T FREE".....YOU WILL PAY A PRICE ONE DAY.

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YouTube is not an acceptable alternative to a live concert. Not if the artist is talented and the show is good. I can't even watch the YouTube clips of Prince's recent concerts. The quality is SOOO bad. It's like watching a bad VHS camcorder recording of some high school talent show. However, if I lived close enough I would have very much liked to have gone to the concert and been happy to pay for the experience.

Who was this "MAJOR ARTIST" who's tour you cancelled? Most of the current "MAJOR ARTIST"s "live performances" are not worth the money. Most consist of lyp-synching & fancy choreography that is boring and worthless.

Just like an album, a concert has to be worth the money to get mine. Prince's are worth it. YouTube could actually help fill seats if the younger generation could go there to get some good quality examples of what Prince live is really like. Not the other way around.

djThunderfunk said:

MoneyMade said:

No he took his ball and went home!

Now what are U left with???

HERE'S SOME INSIGHT FOR YOU....I CANCELLED A TOUR FOR A MAJOR ARTIST

WHY? BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR SOME OF YOU 'S CHEAP BASTIDS TO WAIT FOR THE UPLOAD

ON YOUTUBE.

EVEN LIVE NATION'S STOCK IS DOWN 50% BECAUSE NO ONE'S GOING TO CONCERTS....

IT STARTED WITH FREE DOWNLOADS....

"But I got newssssss for ya...FREEDOM AIN'T FREE".....YOU WILL PAY A PRICE ONE DAY.

[Edited 7/21/10 2:05am]

YouTube is not an acceptable alternative to a live concert. Not if the artist is talented and the show is good. I can't even watch the YouTube clips of Prince's recent concerts. The quality is SOOO bad. It's like watching a bad VHS camcorder recording of some high school talent show. However, if I lived close enough I would have very much liked to have gone to the concert and been happy to pay for the experience.

Who was this "MAJOR ARTIST" who's tour you cancelled? Most of the current "MAJOR ARTIST"s "live performances" are not worth the money. Most consist of lyp-synching & fancy choreography that is boring and worthless.

Just like an album, a concert has to be worth the money to get mine. Prince's are worth it. YouTube could actually help fill seats if the younger generation could go there to get some good quality examples of what Prince live is really like. Not the other way around.

They're all paid whores....for $15,000 you could bring Ershers Mom in to do a freaky duet with Missy Elliot.

Live Nation can't give away tickets....the whole industry SUCKS! And it's due to FREE,FREE,FREE...

here is recent business model for Live Nation....their #1 problem is that after it hits online...no one shows up to buy a ticket!

.

[Edited 8/2/10 11:00am]

Not at all he's hardly starving now is he?

MoneyMade said:

I count 6 sites with his whole album...for download.

ripping off prince,...didnt have give that shit away for free? he needs help and some easy mac.

The effect of the internet on music sales is massive.

Almost instantly 20ten links were all over the net, days before it's official release. If governments will not act to protect sales it is pretty much over as a means to sell albums, but it is a very effective media for promoting concert events.

From now on it seems the album is over, and artist are going to have to focus on great singles to promote their shows and make a couple of bucks through itunes and amazon.

http://www.fastcompany.co...d-facebook

[Edited 7/21/10 17:00pm]

violetblues said:

The effect of the internet on music sales is massive.

Almost instantly 20ten links were all over the net, days before it's official release. If governments will not act to protect sales it is pretty much over as a means to sell albums, but it is a very effective media for promoting concert events.

The graph above from live nation is pretty much what sales figures show to be the case also.

From now on it seems the album is over, and artist are going to have to focus on great singles to promote their shows and make a couple of bucks through itunes and amazon.

http://www.fastcompany.co...d-facebook

[Edited 7/21/10 16:30pm]

Excellent chart analysis....see the convergence of CD sales/album downloads? Prince 's insight is 20yrs ahead of the avg Joe schmo with 40 gold chains down 2 his penis rapping on BET

Keep laughing at the magazine/newspaper CD promotion....Cash advance rules. Any 6yr old can rip Diddy's CD faster than he can say "take that..." There is no money to make in this market and I refuse to fund any projects if my return is abysmal. I'd do better playing for charity events or at the county fair for free corndogs. Unless of course,,,,your name is Beyonce...

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Next up on the internet chopping block will be the cable and television networks unless they quickly adjust.

As video streaming technology and cloud computing picks up speed why would anyone pay for cable TV AND broadband? Everyone and their mother will be able be a television executive with their own channel. Forget what your cable company offers, its going to be a massive changing of the guard. And I will not shed a tear as there has been an exclusive monopoly in broadcasting by just a few players for far too long with heavy handed agendas.

As we have seen, cable companies do not like what they are seeing and are moving quickly to mitigate loosing any slice of the pie by trying to hinder broadband speeds and trying to limit data usage.

[Edited 7/21/10 17:37pm]

violetblues said:

The effect of the internet on music sales is massive.

Almost instantly 20ten links were all over the net, days before it's official release. If governments will not act to protect sales it is pretty much over as a means to sell albums, but it is a very effective media for promoting concert events.

From now on it seems the album is over, and artist are going to have to focus on great singles to promote their shows and make a couple of bucks through itunes and amazon.

http://www.fastcompany.co...d-facebook

[Edited 7/21/10 17:00pm]

Interesting that they don't chart physical single sales. From 1961 to about 19990, it's probably on par with what the current download trend is. Also interesting is that the second graph states that the dollar amounts are adjusted for inflation, so they're doing better than they were for most of the 60's and on par with where they were in the early 80's. Doing much better for themselves than I expected.

errant said:

violetblues said:

The effect of the internet on music sales is massive.

Almost instantly 20ten links were all over the net, days before it's official release. If governments will not act to protect sales it is pretty much over as a means to sell albums, but it is a very effective media for promoting concert events.

From now on it seems the album is over, and artist are going to have to focus on great singles to promote their shows and make a couple of bucks through itunes and amazon.

http://www.fastcompany.co...d-facebook

[Edited 7/21/10 17:00pm]

Interesting that they don't chart physical single sales. From 1961 to about 19990, it's probably on par with what the current download trend is. Also interesting is that the second graph states that the dollar amounts are adjusted for inflation, so they're doing better than they were for most of the 60's and on par with where they were in the early 80's. Doing much better for themselves than I expected.

Is there really such a thing as physical singles anymore? I would be interested in finding out physical singles sales myself.

violetblues said:

errant said:

Interesting that they don't chart physical single sales. From 1961 to about 19990, it's probably on par with what the current download trend is. Also interesting is that the second graph states that the dollar amounts are adjusted for inflation, so they're doing better than they were for most of the 60's and on par with where they were in the early 80's. Doing much better for themselves than I expected.

Is there really such a thing as physical singles anymore? I would be interested in finding out physical singles sales myself.

That's my point. I think the chart intentionally excludes physical singles to make the situation look dire in that people are only doing the $.99 for one song thing instead of buying albums.

But I think you'd find that until the early to mid 90's, people were buying more singles than albums every year until the labels stopped putting them out. They kind of shot themselves in the foot forcing people to buy albums to get the songs they really wanted right before the dawn of people being able to get them for free. Now that the single is available again in some form, the sales have skyrocketed.

errant said:

violetblues said:

Is there really such a thing as physical singles anymore? I would be interested in finding out physical singles sales myself.

That's my point. I think the chart intentionally excludes physical singles to make the situation look dire in that people are only doing the $.99 for one song thing instead of buying albums.

But I think you'd find that until the early to mid 90's, people were buying more singles than albums every year until the labels stopped putting them out. They kind of shot themselves in the foot forcing people to buy albums to get the songs they really wanted right before the dawn of people being able to get them for free. Now that the single is available again in some form, the sales have skyrocketed.

Singles were massively discounted then too to try and gain billboard chart positions and radio airplay to sell albums. The money was in the album.

Whatever the case may be, the facts show that with the prevalence of the internet from 2000- album sales took a hard and dramatic fall.

I would also like to see how much of sales are from established catalogs as opposed to new artists and releases. I think that would help paint a clearer picture.

violetblues said:

errant said:

That's my point. I think the chart intentionally excludes physical singles to make the situation look dire in that people are only doing the $.99 for one song thing instead of buying albums.

But I think you'd find that until the early to mid 90's, people were buying more singles than albums every year until the labels stopped putting them out. They kind of shot themselves in the foot forcing people to buy albums to get the songs they really wanted right before the dawn of people being able to get them for free. Now that the single is available again in some form, the sales have skyrocketed.

Singles were massively discounted then too to try and gain billboard chart positions and radio airplay to sell albums. The money was in the album.

Whatever the case may be, the facts show that with the prevalence of the internet from 2000- album sales took a hard and dramatic fall.

I would also like to see how much of sales are from established catalogs as opposed to new artists and releases. I think that would help paint a clearer picture.

Of course the money was in the album. But singles were a loss leader. They got people in the record stores. They advertised albums. When they stopped putting out singles, album sales exploded. When people could get singles again, either free, or online, album sales tanked.

Purpracer2 said:

Since when did it become a bad thing to be spiritual or religious? Gnawing on the leg of the Lion of Judah will only get you bitten twice as hard...

True. And it's a long wait til the Mirror arrives here in the USA. But it's no excuse IMO to be 'ripping off Prince,' so I'll wait. It's more fun that way and meanwhile the reviews will have to do

It seemed like the big-album era only existed between Thriller and the period where Eminem, N Sync, the Backstreet Boys and Britney were ruling with album sales.

Not sure of physical singles, but digital singles have sold quite well in the last little while plus there's not much push in producing "big-selling albums" because with the advance of technology, the Internet, and people getting rid of major record stores, so it's much easier to go online to pick what you want and if you don't like it, put it to the recycle bin.

The cycle always goes back and forth especially in the music industry. I'm sure some genius will figure out how to get people sell music online without worrying of bootleggers or leakers doing it. Until then it is what it is.

errant said:

violetblues said:

Singles were massively discounted then too to try and gain billboard chart positions and radio airplay to sell albums. The money was in the album.

Whatever the case may be, the facts show that with the prevalence of the internet from 2000- album sales took a hard and dramatic fall.

I would also like to see how much of sales are from established catalogs as opposed to new artists and releases. I think that would help paint a clearer picture.

Of course the money was in the album. But singles were a loss leader. They got people in the record stores. They advertised albums. When they stopped putting out singles, album sales exploded. When people could get singles again, either free, or online, album sales tanked.

The thing is, that over all sales/income has also taken a dramatic drop and dropping. From the looks of the chart, the downward spiral does not look to be ebbing whatsoever. How low will it go?

It just doesn't look like a promising picture any way you look at it other than if you are in the business of loss leaders for the sake of loss leaders.

Timmy84 said:

I'm sure some genius will figure out how to get people sell music online without worrying of bootleggers or leakers doing it. Until then it is what it is.

I agree, when it comes to making a buck people are pretty ingenious with what they can come up with.

Untill then it is sink or swim.

funkycat00 said:

No. I just couldn't wait, and wanted to share the experience with everyone else. I'll buy a physical copy when it hits state side thou.

I have bought every CD so far, I supported Prince for over 20 years now, and yeah, he still has my support.

violetblues said:

errant said:

Of course the money was in the album. But singles were a loss leader. They got people in the record stores. They advertised albums. When they stopped putting out singles, album sales exploded. When people could get singles again, either free, or online, album sales tanked.

The thing is, that over all sales/income has also taken a dramatic drop and dropping. From the looks of the chart, the downward spiral does not look to be ebbing whatsoever. How low will it go?

It just doesn't look like a promising picture any way you look at it other than if you are in the business of loss leaders for the sake of loss leaders.

They resisted selling music digitally for way too long and by the time they came around to it, it was too little, too late. The fact that anyone is paying for any music online at all is actually astounding. Had they utilized the technology earlier, they could have headed off this "get it for free" mentality that's pretty much taken over.

But is anyone really going to cry over the collapse of the music industry as it was up until around 2000? Or even now? I'm not. They made their bed through decades of gouging (of consumers and artsits), they can lie in it.

errant said:

violetblues said:

The thing is, that over all sales/income has also taken a dramatic drop and dropping. From the looks of the chart, the downward spiral does not look to be ebbing whatsoever. How low will it go?

It just doesn't look like a promising picture any way you look at it other than if you are in the business of loss leaders for the sake of loss leaders.

They resisted selling music digitally for way too long and by the time they came around to it, it was too little, too late. The fact that anyone is paying for any music online at all is actually astounding. Had they utilized the technology earlier, they could have headed off this "get it for free" mentality that's pretty much taken over.

But is anyone really going to cry over the collapse of the music industry as it was up until around 2000? Or even now? I'm not. They made their bed through decades of gouging (of consumers and artsits), they can lie in it.

You know as I think about it we've heard about "the death of the music industry" ten times before. I think I read it in magazines long before the internet became real popular. I guess if folks don't wanna bow down to corporations selling it for more than they can afford, then it's pity on just them. The rest of the world really could care less and unless it's an artist people really like, they'll purchase it for themselves.

record companies are going bust? oh dear. whatever shall we do now? those poor greedy conglomerate corporations must feel just awful.

cable TV is under threat due to online streams? oh dear. whatever shall we do? those poor greedy conglomerate corporations must feel just awful.

concert ticket sales are down? oh dear. whatever shall we do now? i'm really going to miss the ringing in my ears and claustrophobic trampling crowds.

compact discs arent selling like they used to? oh dear, whatever shall we do now? those greedy corporate congloms must feel awful not being able to push as much environmentally damaging plastic product into the bargain bin at target.

yeah its just terrible. how dare the internet cut out the middle man. what will he do now? will he find someone else to leech off? someone else to rape?

how dare the net dwarf cable TV. i cant live without my cable. one-way media is soo much better than anything interactive. i much prefer being projected at, by a box stuffed full of tacky commercials and zombies.

how dare the net make it possible for me to watch a concert with my headphones on in the comfort of my own damn home, if thats what i want to do.

i much prefered it when i was forced to go to a cattle stampede if i wanted to see some famous flavor of the month try way too hard to impress me, as enjoyable as it was.

how dare the internet offer me free data. i much preferred it when i had to pay ridiculous prices to stack my shelves with plastic cases, just to get a little music in my life.

isnt it terrible? the old world is dying. whatever shall we do? maybe if we cling on to it hard enough, we can die right along with it. screw evolution.

screw the new world. screw embracing change and making it work so everyone benefits.

the most important thing in life, is money.

robinhood said:

record companies are going bust? oh dear. whatever shall we do now? those poor greedy conglomerate corporations must feel just awful.

cable TV is under threat due to online streams? oh dear. whatever shall we do? those poor greedy conglomerate corporations must feel just awful.

concert ticket sales are down? oh dear. whatever shall we do now? i'm really going to miss the ringing in my ears and claustrophobic trampling crowds.

compact discs arent selling like they used to? oh dear, whatever shall we do now? those greedy corporate congloms must feel awful not being able to push as much environmentally damaging plastic product into the bargain bin at target.

yeah its just terrible. how dare the internet cut out the middle man. what will he do now? will he find someone else to leech off? someone else to rape?

how dare the net dwarf cable TV. i cant live without my cable. one-way media is soo much better than anything interactive. i much prefer being projected at, by a box stuffed full of tacky commercials and zombies.

how dare the net make it possible for me to watch a concert with my headphones on in the comfort of my own damn home, if thats what i want to do.

i much prefered it when i was forced to go to a cattle stampede if i wanted to see some famous flavor of the month try way too hard to impress me, as enjoyable as it was.

how dare the internet offer me free data. i much preferred it when i had to pay ridiculous prices to stack my shelves with plastic cases, just to get a little music in my life.

isnt it terrible? the old world is dying. whatever shall we do? maybe if we cling on to it hard enough, we can die right along with it. screw evolution.

screw the new world. screw embracing change and making it work so everyone benefits.

the most important thing in life, is money.

There's so much more to life than mere $'s. Like the massive star that was just discovered and is bigger than any other, we only see a small part of this universe. I feel rather lucky to be living thru these hard times and watching our world change in front of our eyes. Really, I think soon we will all be focusing on the 'most important things' and IMO, 'money' won't be one of them

colorblu said:

There's so much more to life than mere $'s. Like the massive star that was just discovered and is bigger than any other, we only see a small part of this universe. I feel rather lucky to be living thru these hard times and watching our world change in front of our eyes. Really, I think soon we will all be focusing on the 'most important things' and IMO, 'money' won't be one of them

i read about that massive star. isnt it awesome?

if only i'd waited for my TV to tell me the good news, next week.

i cant stand it when i find things out almost immediately, this internet thing is way too much for me.

i just want to go back to sleep and slug along with everyone else in the mind-numbing toxic europhia of commercial mass media.

my brain cant deal with all these one's and zero's. the abacus was way to hard for me in kindergarten.

but hey, while we're chatting, can you hit me up with a few dollars for my time?

i need to shown upfront that i'm worth something to you.

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[Edited 7/21/10 21:42pm]

zaza said:

thedance said:

I DON'T feel guilty downloading Prince stuff,

because.... I buy everything official I can put my hands on.

Exactly. And I love to OWN something in my hands, not just files in my computer.

Yup.

Purpracer2 said:

Gnawing on the leg of the Lion of Judah will only get you bitten twice as hard...