By latest concert in Denmark for the 20Ten tour. Always same songs, hits...In fact set list is always quite the same since O²: what's the difference with the Grand Palais shows??? 1999, Guitar, Mountains??? So what?

My happiness was on top as I attended the Cigale aftershow in the front row....

I'm going to Arras next Friday without any excitement knowing already what I'm going to hear. I could go to Nice but I won't!

I'm a Prince fan since 84', but I'm really tired of some stuff as:

Graffiti Bridge: quite ashamed to own/watch the DVD.

SOTT & Nude Tours: light set list (1h30) with quite no changes.

Official sites always down after a while.

Larry Graham: probably a great bass player, but I hate his voice!!! Please don't sing!!!

Bria Valente: where is this doll anyway??? Over with Prince?

Where are the singles with extended versions?

1999 remastered: stupid thing! For me 1999 remastered would be an official release with extra songs (as Delirious demo or Someting In The Water Does Not Compute demo)

I'm simply bored!

Where is Prince who did so great gigs (with the Revolution), PR & Parade eras? Entering at the First Avenue was such a great experience in my life, knowing what happened there. I'm glad to keep memories through pictures, records, songs that I like so much (17 days, God instrumental, She's Always In My Hair

Okay, then. Bye-bye!

Genesia said:

Okay, then. Bye-bye!

I appreciate your disappointment. Prince seems to be evolving musically very slowly these days Perhaps before this tour is over the setlist will improve some. I loved the ONA tour because it sounded so fresh and different: not just pimping the hits again. But since Musicology, he has been interested in revisiting the same songs again and again. I personally would love to hear or see something so different, so unexpected, so new...a set of all-new music perhaps? an album in its entirety? some vault items live?

maybe next time...

To be honest I have to agree, I've been a fam for nearly 10 years.. and of late Prince's setlists have become some what of a bore.

Why the hell is this guy playing 'Guitar' at concerts?? It bewilders me, with the catalogue this guy own's he could replace it with something good.

It made me wonder about his singles. Back in the 80's Prince created amazing Pop records (I would die 4 U, Little red corvette, when doves cry..etc etc) Yet ever since TMBGITW became big he released turd(single wise).. (Betcha by golly wow, 1999 remasters, Guitar, the one I wanna c, Etc Etc) You'd think it was a completely different artist. Do you reckon that because TMBGITW was so big suddenly he thought cheesey pop records were the way too go?

I hate to be a grump, I just wish Prince would put his attention to Brilliant tracks he has made in 2000+ @ Recent concerts. (Boom, Wall of Berlin, colonized mind, 3121, fury, Chelsea Rodgers, Somewhere here on earth, family name, last December, Call my name, Dance 4 me, here on earth, $, Love, if I was the man in your life...etc etc) Could you Imagine how amazing a setlist (Not in this order) was tracks like these, it would be amazing!

Just my two cents!

[Edited 7/7/10 14:37pm]

andykeen said:

To be honest I have to agree, I've been a fam for nearly 10 years..

Therein lies your problem. Get off the boat.

asma said:

By latest concert in Denmark for the 20Ten tour. Always same songs, hits...In fact set list is always quite the same since O²: what's the difference with the Grand Palais shows??? 1999, Guitar, Mountains??? So what?

My happiness was on top as I attended the Cigale aftershow in the front row....

I'm going to Arras next Friday without any excitement knowing already what I'm going to hear. I could go to Nice but I won't!

I'm a Prince fan since 84', but I'm really tired of some stuff as:

Graffiti Bridge: quite ashamed to own/watch the DVD.

SOTT & Nude Tours: light set list (1h30) with quite no changes.

Official sites always down after a while.

Larry Graham: probably a great bass player, but I hate his voice!!! Please don't sing!!!

Bria Valente: where is this doll anyway??? Over with Prince?

Where are the singles with extended versions?

1999 remastered: stupid thing! For me 1999 remastered would be an official release with extra songs (as Delirious demo or Someting In The Water Does Not Compute demo)

I'm simply bored!

Where is Prince who did so great gigs (with the Revolution), PR & Parade eras? Entering at the First Avenue was such a great experience in my life, knowing what happened there. I'm glad to keep memories through pictures, records, songs that I like so much (17 days, God instrumental, She's Always In My Hair

Why are you going on about a tour from 20 years ago, a maxi single 11 years ago, and the other plethora of stuff you mentioned from ages ago? If you were tired then, you should have cut your losses and jumped ship. People complain that Prince either 1) lives in the past by trying to recreate his old music, or 2) doesn't recreate it in the right way. Sounds like you were never really happy with Prince. The ratio of "I'm tired of" to "I love" seems to be tilted to the left.

Why worry about Larry Graham and Bria Valente? It is what it is, and whether we like them in Prince's life, or not, or the influence they have/had on him - we can't change that.

How dumb is it to go to a concert "without any excitement knowing what" you're in for? Seems like you're more of a glutton for some alleged punishment by being a Prince fan.

I hear Chris Brown is needing some fans right now. Just stay an arm's length away from him. He's "touchy feely" like that.

ernestsewell said:

andykeen said:

To be honest I have to agree, I've been a fam for nearly 10 years..

Therein lies your problem. Get off the boat.

Haha Typo!! Im a fan I tell ya!

What's the problem? That's what big name concerts are! Have you been to any non-Prince show ever? Those are the songs people want to hear, and with good reason: they're great songs! Not everyone is a devout Prince follower, most probably don't even know One Nite Alone, Chaos and Disorder, or even the Black Album exist.

andykeen said:

ernestsewell said:

Therein lies your problem. Get off the boat.

Haha Typo!! Im a fan I tell ya!

Gotta admit, I saw "fam" too and was like.... eek....... hot potato.

andykeen said:

ernestsewell said:

Therein lies your problem. Get off the boat.

Haha Typo!! Im a fan I tell ya!

Ima letchu slide on dis one.

andykeen said:

To be honest I have to agree, I've been a fam for nearly 10 years.. and of late Prince's setlists have become some what of a bore.

Why the hell is this guy playing 'Guitar' at concerts?? It bewilders me, with the catalogue this guy own's he could replace it with something good.

It made me wonder about his singles. Back in the 80's Prince created amazing Pop records (I would die 4 U, Little red corvette, when doves cry..etc etc) Yet ever since TMBGITW became big he released turd(single wise).. (Betcha by golly wow, 1999 remasters, Guitar, the one I wanna c, Etc Etc) You'd think it was a completely different artist. Do you reckon that because TMBGITW was so big suddenly he thought cheesey pop records were the way too go?

I hate to be a grump, I just wish Prince would put his attention to Brilliant tracks he has made in 2000+ @ Recent concerts. (Boom, Wall of Berlin, colonized mind, 3121, fury, Chelsea Rodgers, Somewhere here on earth, family name, last December, Call my name, Dance 4 me, here on earth, $, Love, if I was the man in your life...etc etc) Could you Imagine how amazing a setlist (Not in this order) was tracks like these, it would be amazing!

Just my two cents!

[Edited 7/7/10 14:37pm]

Co-sign. I don´t understand what he likes about Guitar and The One U Want 2 C...both songs have very mediocre lyrics.

I´d much rather hear some of those songs that you mentioned live in concert than the stuff he´s been playing for the past three or four years. Then again, we all have different tastes ( I for one can´t stand that Chelsea Rodgers song) and one man´s Last December is another man´s We Gets Up.

I was very positively surprised when I went to the Berlin concert two days ago. Sure, he played Let´s Go Crazy, 1999 and Guitar for the umpteenth time but he also played some less often played songs such as Forever In My Life, When U Were Mine, a fantastic version of Purple Rain...kept the monologues and weird messages to a minimum, oozed an aura of positivity and sheer energy and even played a couple of new songs like Act Of God and Hot Summer (albeit incorporated into the music of better known songs , which was a bit strange).

What I´m trying to say is...it is annoying to see him play the same old stuff on autopilot and see him release dull song after dull song but the reasons why it is so annoying is that every now and then he shows what he´s still capable of, like giving such a great concert in Berlin.

The setlist in Roskilde was comparatively boring when you consider the setlist in Berlin. I went there with low expectations, just expecting a good live show with the usual songs, and came back in a state of ecstasy and euphoria.

The man still knows how to give people a good time.

Then again...155 € can buy you a lot of other stuff to make you feel good.

If you are 'bored' then don't attend concerts. Don't buy the music.

As for new songs being played at concerts etc, your list omits:

'The Gold Tour' - Almost no Prince material other than '7' and 'Pink Cashmere' played.

'ONA' - Heavy on new material and 'fan-favourites' ('Empty Room', 'Anna Stesia' etc).

'O2' - Gigs did usually include 'Satisfied', 'Black Sweat', 'Lolita' 'Shhhh' and 'Guitar'. O2 Aftershows included plenty of newer material.

How you can complain about the 'SOTT' concerts staggers me.

What has to be remembered is these are large concerts. The 'O2' has about 20,000 seats or more. These festival audiences I understand, are from 50,000 - 70,000 in number. How can he seriously perform liberal selections of songs unheard by them?

Yes, I'd love some smaller gigs with newer songs, but if Prince is intent on doing larger venues we have to know what to expect.

And the 'Graffiti Bridge' film and 'Nude Tour'? That was way back in 1990. Twenty years ago.

The extended versions of singles are out there and some were released through WB.

OperatingThetan said:

How you can complain about the 'SOTT' concerts staggers me.

To be fair to the OP, they weren't 'complaining' - simply making a point of the fact that both tours setlists were rarely if ever mixed up.

andykeen said:

ernestsewell said:

Therein lies your problem. Get off the boat.

Haha Typo!! Im a fan I tell ya!

Freudian slip?

I think Guitar has some real live performance potential as it at least has a good hook for live audience feedback. Personally, I think he could have done more with that song as a single since it does have an addictive hook to it. That being said, he is in a tough spot right now since he has not had any recognizable singles in many years, he has to play the hits for these shows. That is what the masses who attend know. Just think of any musical legend that you may be a casual fan of and you go to their concert, you want to hear the songs that you attribute to them. I don't care if it is Jimmy Buffet, you want to hear Margritaville, without fail. And that goes on and on with whoever you pick.

I think what might be nice if he announced with decent notice some shows in MPLS or whereever for the real die hards and really get creative with the set list and play some new stuff as well as old stuff that does not make the list for most shows. Then if casual fans want to attend that is up to them but this will be for the real "freaks" so if you are unfamiliar with Love to the Nines or Automatic or whatever, that is on you. It does not even have to be a whole "Celebration" type format just some live shows. Just a thought

ernestsewell said:

asma said:

By latest concert in Denmark for the 20Ten tour. Always same songs, hits...In fact set list is always quite the same since O²: what's the difference with the Grand Palais shows??? 1999, Guitar, Mountains??? So what?

My happiness was on top as I attended the Cigale aftershow in the front row....

I'm going to Arras next Friday without any excitement knowing already what I'm going to hear. I could go to Nice but I won't!

I'm a Prince fan since 84', but I'm really tired of some stuff as:

Graffiti Bridge: quite ashamed to own/watch the DVD.

SOTT & Nude Tours: light set list (1h30) with quite no changes.

Official sites always down after a while.

Larry Graham: probably a great bass player, but I hate his voice!!! Please don't sing!!!

Bria Valente: where is this doll anyway??? Over with Prince?

Where are the singles with extended versions?

1999 remastered: stupid thing! For me 1999 remastered would be an official release with extra songs (as Delirious demo or Someting In The Water Does Not Compute demo)

I'm simply bored!

Where is Prince who did so great gigs (with the Revolution), PR & Parade eras? Entering at the First Avenue was such a great experience in my life, knowing what happened there. I'm glad to keep memories through pictures, records, songs that I like so much (17 days, God instrumental, She's Always In My Hair

Why are you going on about a tour from 20 years ago, a maxi single 11 years ago, and the other plethora of stuff you mentioned from ages ago? If you were tired then, you should have cut your losses and jumped ship. People complain that Prince either 1) lives in the past by trying to recreate his old music, or 2) doesn't recreate it in the right way. Sounds like you were never really happy with Prince. The ratio of "I'm tired of" to "I love" seems to be tilted to the left.

Why worry about Larry Graham and Bria Valente? It is what it is, and whether we like them in Prince's life, or not, or the influence they have/had on him - we can't change that.

How dumb is it to go to a concert "without any excitement knowing what" you're in for? Seems like you're more of a glutton for some alleged punishment by being a Prince fan.

I hear Chris Brown is needing some fans right now. Just stay an arm's length away from him. He's "touchy feely" like that.

You said nothing but the truth!!!

Prince still throws down live but have u looked at the band? Prince needs his ass kicked taking Cora and her hubby on tour. These folks BORE me 2 tears and I'm 100% sure it impacts and limits what Prince can and cannot play on tour. Take 1 listen 2 the 3 concerts he did in March of 2009 with 3 different bands and u will understand what I'm talking about.

[Edited 7/8/10 7:41am]

OperatingThetan said:

What has to be remembered is these are large concerts. The 'O2' has about 20,000 seats or more. These festival audiences I understand, are from 50,000 - 70,000 in number. How can he seriously perform liberal selections of songs unheard by them?

He could. Stevie did Glastonbury recently, He threw in 'Free' from the Characters album. Now i love that song, but it's pretty obscure by Stevie standards. I'd bet out of the audience attending that gig, not too many own it. To most it'd have seemed new.

My preference for a gig would be 50/50. new songs, then old.

It's not interesting to hear 'Dearly beloved' anymore. It just isn't.

I remember ducking out to take a piss on my visits to the O2 on more than one occasion, that wouldn't have crossed my mind in the past.

ernestsewell said:

asma said:

By latest concert in Denmark for the 20Ten tour. Always same songs, hits...In fact set list is always quite the same since O²: what's the difference with the Grand Palais shows??? 1999, Guitar, Mountains??? So what?

My happiness was on top as I attended the Cigale aftershow in the front row....

I'm going to Arras next Friday without any excitement knowing already what I'm going to hear. I could go to Nice but I won't!

I'm a Prince fan since 84', but I'm really tired of some stuff as:

Graffiti Bridge: quite ashamed to own/watch the DVD.

SOTT & Nude Tours: light set list (1h30) with quite no changes.

Official sites always down after a while.

Larry Graham: probably a great bass player, but I hate his voice!!! Please don't sing!!!

Bria Valente: where is this doll anyway??? Over with Prince?

Where are the singles with extended versions?

1999 remastered: stupid thing! For me 1999 remastered would be an official release with extra songs (as Delirious demo or Someting In The Water Does Not Compute demo)

I'm simply bored!

Where is Prince who did so great gigs (with the Revolution), PR & Parade eras? Entering at the First Avenue was such a great experience in my life, knowing what happened there. I'm glad to keep memories through pictures, records, songs that I like so much (17 days, God instrumental, She's Always In My Hair

Why are you going on about a tour from 20 years ago, a maxi single 11 years ago, and the other plethora of stuff you mentioned from ages ago? If you were tired then, you should have cut your losses and jumped ship. People complain that Prince either 1) lives in the past by trying to recreate his old music, or 2) doesn't recreate it in the right way. Sounds like you were never really happy with Prince. The ratio of "I'm tired of" to "I love" seems to be tilted to the left.

Why worry about Larry Graham and Bria Valente? It is what it is, and whether we like them in Prince's life, or not, or the influence they have/had on him - we can't change that.

How dumb is it to go to a concert "without any excitement knowing what" you're in for? Seems like you're more of a glutton for some alleged punishment by being a Prince fan.

I hear Chris Brown is needing some fans right now. Just stay an arm's length away from him. He's "touchy feely" like that.

Ernie, have U become a Prince fam again?

That is probably the most coherent and readable 'thingy' U have ever uttered on this org! Go get em Prince's number 1 FAM!

Graycap23 said:

Prince still throws down live but have u looked at the band? Prince needs his ass kicked taking Cora and her hubby on tour. These folks BORE me 2 tears and I'm 100% sure it impacts and limits what Prince can and cannot play on tour. Take 1 listen 2 the 3 concerts he did in Mrach of 2009 with 3 different bands and u will understand what I'm talking about.

You´re right, they´re nice people but they´re definitely not like Michael B. and Sonny or John Blackwell and Rhonda but......I really didn´t feel like those guys I mentioned above were missing during the Berlin concert. Prince and Sheila were ON FIRE all the time and this (and the lack of an oversized horn section) made for a great concert experience.

I really miss the sound he had with Michael B. and Sonny but believe me, the Berlin show was proof to me that he doesn´t REALLY need anyone in particular as long as he´s in the right mood.

This was by far one of the best concerts when it comes to atmosphere and sheer joy of performing..no gimmicks, no fancy props or fireworks, very low key and obviously not much rehearsed and with minimal planning...and thankfully no overblown horn section (no pun intended) but the music and the atmosphere were amazing. And I have seen tons of Prince shows before, including Paisley Park performances like the 2002 celebration.

Would the show have benefitted from having John B. or Michael & Sonny on stage? Of course!

But I really didn´t miss them this time simply because Prince was THAT good in Berlin.

The newspapers in Germany are still in awe and still going nuts because of that Berlin show. Even those who mocked him in the past were amazed and called it the best concert of the year.

Pure magic !

I confirm after the Arras concert: a copy and paste of the setlist of the Grand Palais beside "Nothing Compares 2 U" I think... What about new songs? Of 20Ten???

By the way, Mr Hayes was in the crowd before the show, and nobody recognized him...

I accept criticism but that's a fact....I don't live in the past, there are still good songs as "Fury", "Feel Good....".

Graycap23 said:

Prince still throws down live

I've seen several people coming back from the Arras gig complaining that this was so obviously a "get cash quick" gig it bordered on insulting. They said it was really well played but there was zero passion and excitement.

BartVanHemelen said:

Graycap23 said:

Prince still throws down live

I've seen several people coming back from the Arras gig complaining that this was so obviously a "get cash quick" gig it bordered on insulting. They said it was really well played but there was zero passion and excitement.

Didn't get that impression at all. I had the feeling that he was really enjoying himself out there. Maybe the "get cash quick" comment might come from the fact that he played almost all hits and less newer material? I can understand why this is done as most people are there for the eighties Prince.

I also think that if it was simply for the money he wouldn't have come back for the last encores (ol skool, forever in my life etc) as it seems that they were actual extras (if the picture of the set list in another thread can be believed).

Just my opinion though. Everyone is entitled to his own. It was only my 3rd Prince gig (adding nr 4 tonight ) so I don't have too much to compare.

[Edited 7/10/10 3:20am]

Graycap23 said:

Prince still throws down live but have u looked at the band? Prince needs his ass kicked taking Cora and her hubby on tour. These folks BORE me 2 tears and I'm 100% sure it impacts and limits what Prince can and cannot play on tour. Take 1 listen 2 the 3 concerts he did in March of 2009 with 3 different bands and u will understand what I'm talking about.

[Edited 7/8/10 7:41am]

The concert at the Roskilde Festival in Denmark was a major success for Prince, well received by the audience and by critics. Trust me, I was there, and 65.000 people were diggin' it! Obviously Prince cannot please everyone but at a big festival like this it makes sense to play the hits that most people know and love, since most will not be die-hard Prince fans with a thorough knowledge of his entire catalogue. Devoted fans who have been to many of his shows may be disappointed for this very reason, but the setlist Prince chose was perfectly good and most of the people at the concert loved it. Considering the context, then, I don't see any reason to complain...

asma said:

By latest concert in Denmark for the 20Ten tour. Always same songs, hits...In fact set list is always quite the same since O²: what's the difference with the Grand Palais shows??? 1999, Guitar, Mountains??? So what?

My happiness was on top as I attended the Cigale aftershow in the front row....

I'm going to Arras next Friday without any excitement knowing already what I'm going to hear. I could go to Nice but I won't!

I'm a Prince fan since 84', but I'm really tired of some stuff as:

Graffiti Bridge: quite ashamed to own/watch the DVD.

SOTT & Nude Tours: light set list (1h30) with quite no changes.

Official sites always down after a while.

Larry Graham: probably a great bass player, but I hate his voice!!! Please don't sing!!!

Bria Valente: where is this doll anyway??? Over with Prince?

Where are the singles with extended versions?

1999 remastered: stupid thing! For me 1999 remastered would be an official release with extra songs (as Delirious demo or Someting In The Water Does Not Compute demo)

I'm simply bored!

Where is Prince who did so great gigs (with the Revolution), PR & Parade eras? Entering at the First Avenue was such a great experience in my life, knowing what happened there. I'm glad to keep memories through pictures, records, songs that I like so much (17 days, God instrumental, She's Always In My Hair

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sorry-but anyone that attended any aftershow at indigo2 in 2007 will aggree-Josh n Cora do just fine-they're great musicians and i seroiusly doubt they impede Prince's choice of what to play one bit

he's always gonna do a hits show at a festival-its full of casual fans who only know the big hits

and i imagine he plays what he play cuz he enjoys playing them. To give a good performance-you need to feel the songs-so i'd say this makes him choose the ones he does-coupled with his faith etc

then-he throws in for the love we make at montreaux-or mountains at Paris-the new version of LRC at Montreaux..

he's not always 'boring'-but he caters for everyone-not just us here or at Moquake

im saddest that it seems aftershows are over

now if thats the case-thats massively bad-thats where he really lets loose and tries all sorts

if nights like that are over-that truly would be a tragedy

[Edited 7/10/10 10:47am]

some people r never happy. lately prince has done loads 2 please his fan.

I got his new album 4 65p.

I really enjoyed it . It was like meeting an old friend again. How can u honestly complain.

The album is his best in a long time.

With the concert it was a festivle so make the masses happy.

this is going 2 b princes year.