skywalker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

meh close enough that is the same band as was used for 1999 which was a Prince and the Revolution album so what if it was taken a year or so before?

Again....No one in 1982/1983 called them Prince and The Revolution. Prince wasn't listed weren't on the charts that way, the album wasn't registered that way, fans didn't call them that. Not until 1984 and not until Wendy was a member were they called "The Revolution". Close enough isn't close at all without Wendy and Lisa.

whoever designed that 1999 album cover (um, Prince) sure as hell called them "the Revolution" in 1982.

MoneyMade said:

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FYI Fair Use would not be a legal defense in this case. For one you tube is a commercial use, second fair use for education is limited to a small portion of the work. Just saying. The clip is a copyright violation.

errant said:

skywalker said:

Again....No one in 1982/1983 called them Prince and The Revolution. Prince wasn't listed weren't on the charts that way, the album wasn't registered that way, fans didn't call them that. Not until 1984 and not until Wendy was a member were they called "The Revolution". Close enough isn't close at all without Wendy and Lisa.

whoever designed that 1999 album cover (um, Prince) sure as hell called them "the Revolution" in 1982.

I thought everyone =knew that?

Prince likes change & doesn't like to go back. Because it'll look like he is desperate.and needs them. That is why he left them. To prove he can make hits without them....He has made several without them & doesn't need them. People please give it rest....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince likes change & doesn't like to go back. Because it'll look like he is desperate.and needs them. That is why he left them. To prove he can make hits without them....He has made several without them & doesn't need them. People please give it rest....

then how do you explain his last 4 or 5 albums?

skywalker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

meh close enough that is the same band as was used for 1999 which was a Prince and the Revolution album so what if it was taken a year or so before?

Again....No one in 1982/1983 called them Prince and The Revolution. Prince wasn't listed weren't on the charts that way, the album wasn't registered that way, fans didn't call them that. Not until 1984 and not until Wendy was a member were they called "The Revolution". Close enough isn't close at all without Wendy and Lisa.

I'm with Luke on this one. "The Revolution" on the 1999 was a testing ground. Prince knew what was to come. When Dez wanted to leave the group, Prince told him, "I need you for a solid 3 years. If you wanna go, you can go, but I need to know now". This was near the end of the 1999 era, and before Purple Rain rehearsals/classes, etc started. It was no surprised by that point that Dez wanted to leave the band, being deeply personally conflicted by his Christian beliefs, and the explicit content they were playing in shows. For me, you can even see the unhappiness on his face in "1999" and "Little Red Corvette", compared to earlier videos. Prince held back on using "The Revolution" until he knew he had a band that would be "as is" for that three year period. He knew he needed the same band for the movie, the soundtrack, the tour, and at least the follow up album. He might have even been looking a bit ahead of that, already thinking of his next movie or project (eventually Parade).

The album was registered to "Prince". Remember, "Prince" wasn't a dude, it was the band's name in general. It expanded to "Prince and the Revolution" by 1984. If Dez had stayed for that three year period (and perhaps Wendy never being in the band at all), Prince would have still went with "The Revolution", knowing the band was solid for that three year stint of projects.

So that picture - NOT The Revolution. Think about this too: Jill was in the videos for stuff, and she was not part of the Revolution even after the fact, not even in the expanded version in 1986. So a lot of personnel changes going on at that time, and it would not have been a good time to add a name onto the band and ensuing albums. Prince was right to wait until Purple Rain for that.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

errant said:

whoever designed that 1999 album cover (um, Prince) sure as hell called them "the Revolution" in 1982.

I thought everyone =knew that?

TAKEM 2 CHURCH......sometimes it's better to just sit back and observe a person's knowledge or the lack thereof. << Hosea 4:6 >> My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

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ernestsewell said:

skywalker said:

Again....No one in 1982/1983 called them Prince and The Revolution. Prince wasn't listed weren't on the charts that way, the album wasn't registered that way, fans didn't call them that. Not until 1984 and not until Wendy was a member were they called "The Revolution". Close enough isn't close at all without Wendy and Lisa.

I'm with Luke on this one. "The Revolution" on the 1999 was a testing ground. Prince knew what was to come. When Dez wanted to leave the group, Prince told him, "I need you for a solid 3 years. If you wanna go, you can go, but I need to know now". This was near the end of the 1999 era, and before Purple Rain rehearsals/classes, etc started. It was no surprised by that point that Dez wanted to leave the band, being deeply personally conflicted by his Christian beliefs, and the explicit content they were playing in shows. For me, you can even see the unhappiness on his face in "1999" and "Little Red Corvette", compared to earlier videos. Prince held back on using "The Revolution" until he knew he had a band that would be "as is" for that three year period. He knew he needed the same band for the movie, the soundtrack, the tour, and at least the follow up album. He might have even been looking a bit ahead of that, already thinking of his next movie or project (eventually Parade).

The album was registered to "Prince". Remember, "Prince" wasn't a dude, it was the band's name in general. It expanded to "Prince and the Revolution" by 1984. If Dez had stayed for that three year period (and perhaps Wendy never being in the band at all), Prince would have still went with "The Revolution", knowing the band was solid for that three year stint of projects.

So that picture - NOT The Revolution. Think about this too: Jill was in the videos for stuff, and she was not part of the Revolution even after the fact, not even in the expanded version in 1986. So a lot of personnel changes going on at that time, and it would not have been a good time to add a name onto the band and ensuing albums. Prince was right to wait until Purple Rain for that.

next up, Prince and being two different people and NPS not being an album by either of them

ernestsewell said:

skywalker said:

Again....No one in 1982/1983 called them Prince and The Revolution. Prince wasn't listed weren't on the charts that way, the album wasn't registered that way, fans didn't call them that. Not until 1984 and not until Wendy was a member were they called "The Revolution". Close enough isn't close at all without Wendy and Lisa.

I'm with Luke on this one. "The Revolution" on the 1999 was a testing ground. Prince knew what was to come. When Dez wanted to leave the group, Prince told him, "I need you for a solid 3 years. If you wanna go, you can go, but I need to know now". This was near the end of the 1999 era, and before Purple Rain rehearsals/classes, etc started. It was no surprised by that point that Dez wanted to leave the band, being deeply personally conflicted by his Christian beliefs, and the explicit content they were playing in shows. For me, you can even see the unhappiness on his face in "1999" and "Little Red Corvette", compared to earlier videos. Prince held back on using "The Revolution" until he knew he had a band that would be "as is" for that three year period. He knew he needed the same band for the movie, the soundtrack, the tour, and at least the follow up album. He might have even been looking a bit ahead of that, already thinking of his next movie or project (eventually Parade).

The album was registered to "Prince". Remember, "Prince" wasn't a dude, it was the band's name in general. It expanded to "Prince and the Revolution" by 1984. If Dez had stayed for that three year period (and perhaps Wendy never being in the band at all), Prince would have still went with "The Revolution", knowing the band was solid for that three year stint of projects.

So that picture - NOT The Revolution. Think about this too: Jill was in the videos for stuff, and she was not part of the Revolution even after the fact, not even in the expanded version in 1986. So a lot of personnel changes going on at that time, and it would not have been a good time to add a name onto the band and ensuing albums. Prince was right to wait until Purple Rain for that.

yet there it is on the ablum cover?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

ernestsewell said:

I'm with Luke on this one. "The Revolution" on the 1999 was a testing ground. Prince knew what was to come. When Dez wanted to leave the group, Prince told him, "I need you for a solid 3 years. If you wanna go, you can go, but I need to know now". This was near the end of the 1999 era, and before Purple Rain rehearsals/classes, etc started. It was no surprised by that point that Dez wanted to leave the band, being deeply personally conflicted by his Christian beliefs, and the explicit content they were playing in shows. For me, you can even see the unhappiness on his face in "1999" and "Little Red Corvette", compared to earlier videos. Prince held back on using "The Revolution" until he knew he had a band that would be "as is" for that three year period. He knew he needed the same band for the movie, the soundtrack, the tour, and at least the follow up album. He might have even been looking a bit ahead of that, already thinking of his next movie or project (eventually Parade).

The album was registered to "Prince". Remember, "Prince" wasn't a dude, it was the band's name in general. It expanded to "Prince and the Revolution" by 1984. If Dez had stayed for that three year period (and perhaps Wendy never being in the band at all), Prince would have still went with "The Revolution", knowing the band was solid for that three year stint of projects.

So that picture - NOT The Revolution. Think about this too: Jill was in the videos for stuff, and she was not part of the Revolution even after the fact, not even in the expanded version in 1986. So a lot of personnel changes going on at that time, and it would not have been a good time to add a name onto the band and ensuing albums. Prince was right to wait until Purple Rain for that.

yet there it is on the ablum cover?

I explained it. I'm only echoing band members stories about the gradual name change, plus the logic of the whole thing. Bobby Z, being one of those band members, talked about the Dez situation and why Prince had held off full on using the Revolution name until 1999 was over. That's why it's backwards, and hidden, also. Prince didn't even really tell anyone about the album cover until everyone saw it and thought "Wow, maybe we're changing our name soon".

MoneyMade said:

SherryJackson said:

Please y'all, didn't we already cover this in "Doe Prince need the Revolution to be a Star Again"?

A touch of nostalgia is nice...but if it hasn't happened now, it's never gonna happen.

Although in my heart of hearts....I dream from Prince and the Revolution: Purple Reign Tour 2010-2011. :sniffles: Never gonna happen....

Hmmmmm....

Why did U change your profile....I liked the old.

BTW some of the same folks that appear to have cut ties...talk 2 him on more than an occasion or 2 or 3.

[Edited 7/5/10 19:59pm]

What are you talking about? My public profile or my avi?

ernestsewell said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yet there it is on the ablum cover?

I explained it. I'm only echoing band members stories about the gradual name change, plus the logic of the whole thing. Bobby Z, being one of those band members, talked about the Dez situation and why Prince had held off full on using the Revolution name until 1999 was over. That's why it's backwards, and hidden, also. Prince didn't even really tell anyone about the album cover until everyone saw it and thought "Wow, maybe we're changing our name soon".

Hidden eh??? Looks clearly visible for all 2 see....

What's weird....do a search for "little red corvette" and lo and behold ernie...Prince + the revolution always appears. Along with every 1999 tour...it was Prince and the Revolution. Don't be a revisionist....with hearsay. Dez was in the Revolution on 1999 period...

SherryJackson said:

MoneyMade said:

Hmmmmm....

Why did U change your profile....I liked the old.

BTW some of the same folks that appear to have cut ties...talk 2 him on more than an occasion or 2 or 3.

[Edited 7/5/10 19:59pm]

What are you talking about? My public profile or my avi?

Whichever sexy pic.... it was the curly hair...sexy lips that's all i rememberO(+>

MoneyMade said:

SherryJackson said:

What are you talking about? My public profile or my avi?

Whichever sexy pic.... it was the curly hair...sexy lips that's all i rememberO(+>

Heh...that was my picture ...didn't know you liked it. :blush: I thought it was a bit redundant, so I replaced it with the Kid and Apolla as you can see.

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[Edited 7/5/10 21:46pm]

ernestsewell said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yet there it is on the ablum cover?

I explained it. I'm only echoing band members stories about the gradual name change, plus the logic of the whole thing. Bobby Z, being one of those band members, talked about the Dez situation and why Prince had held off full on using the Revolution name until 1999 was over. That's why it's backwards, and hidden, also. Prince didn't even really tell anyone about the album cover until everyone saw it and thought "Wow, maybe we're changing our name soon".

EARNIE.....THIS COMES STRAIGHT FROM WARNER BROS.

WHAT DOES IT READ 2 SECONDS INTO THE VIDEO??

http://vodpod.com/watch/1...d-corvette

I KNOW THE PEOPLE AT WIKIPEDIA AND ALL THE LITTLE WRITTERS...COLUMINISTS HAVE THEIR FACTS WRONG...BUT ITS GOOD TO KNOW TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL....

MoneyMade said:

ernestsewell said:

I explained it. I'm only echoing band members stories about the gradual name change, plus the logic of the whole thing. Bobby Z, being one of those band members, talked about the Dez situation and why Prince had held off full on using the Revolution name until 1999 was over. That's why it's backwards, and hidden, also. Prince didn't even really tell anyone about the album cover until everyone saw it and thought "Wow, maybe we're changing our name soon".

Hidden eh??? Looks clearly visible for all 2 see....

What's weird....do a search for "little red corvette" and lo and behold Ernest...Prince + the revolution always appears. Along with every 1999 tour...it was Prince and the Revolution. Don't be a revisionist....with hearsay. Dez was in the Revolution on 1999 period...

Dude, I don't know what your deal is tonight, but your level of disrespect to people just because they disagree with you is way out of proportion. You're more bait than substance at this point. And frankly, the thread doesn't really offer any support of your claim about some HBO shindig.

That picture ain't the Revolution, nor where they The Revolution with Dez. Check how the record was registered. Check the spine of your record. Facts are facts. I know what's true, and so do most of the folks here. Find me any number of TV appearances, concerts, or otherwise during the 1999 period with Dez in the band when they were billed as Prince and the Revolution.

Let me help you with some concert tickets:

Prince Tour, February 1980

Dirty Mind Tour, December 1980 (around the time of your picture)

Controversy Tour, March 1982

1999 Tour, April 1983

Then the Purple Rain Tour, Syracuse March 1985

Now sit down with your troll bait, man.

MoneyMade said:

EARNIE.....THIS COMES STRAIGHT FROM WARNER BROS.

"Earnie" ?? REALLY? You can't even spell, dude. STFU already. You're ridiculous.

ernestsewell said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yet there it is on the ablum cover?

I explained it. I'm only echoing band members stories about the gradual name change, plus the logic of the whole thing. Bobby Z, being one of those band members, talked about the Dez situation and why Prince had held off full on using the Revolution name until 1999 was over. That's why it's backwards, and hidden, also. Prince didn't even really tell anyone about the album cover until everyone saw it and thought "Wow, maybe we're changing our name soon".

Geee looks hidden here too.... "PRINCE AND WHO??"

ernestsewell said:

MoneyMade said:

EARNIE.....THIS COMES STRAIGHT FROM WARNER BROS.

"Earnie" ?? REALLY? You can't even spell, dude. STFU already. You're ridiculous.

EAR-NIE....i want U to hear for once....

MoneyMade said:

Geee looks hidden here too.... "PRINCE AND WHO??"

That doesn't make it right because fucking MTV2 displayed it like that. If that's your argument, you're DONE, bro. D O N E.

ernestsewell said:

MoneyMade said:

Geee looks hidden here too.... "PRINCE AND WHO??"

That doesn't make it right because fucking MTV2 displayed it like that. If that's your argument, you're DONE, bro. D O N E.

Ear-nie....put some money in the cuss jar for the foul language.

Dez will tell you he was in the revolution...

MTV2 will tell you Prince and the Revolution everytime they played those videos...

Your beloved Wikepedia...will tell you Dez was in "the Revolution" http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Dickerson

but you're not listening dude....Ear-nie I know you have a reputation to protect but you are dead f'n wrong on this one. But take Prince's word for it...the band was the revolution although it's "hidden" just above the penis...tell me can you find the penis ernie?

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ernestsewell said:

MoneyMade said:

Geee looks hidden here too.... "PRINCE AND WHO??"

That doesn't make it right because fucking MTV2 displayed it like that. If that's your argument, you're DONE, bro. D O N E.

Exactly, MTV 2 was launched when,'95???

OnlyNDaUsa said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince likes change & doesn't like to go back. Because it'll look like he is desperate.and needs them. That is why he left them. To prove he can make hits without them....He has made several without them & doesn't need them. People please give it rest....

then how do you explain his last 4 or 5 albums?

So SOTT,LOVESEXY,SYMBOL,BATMAN,GRAFFITI BRIDGE & THE GOLD ALBUM didn't have any hit songs without The Revolution? Prince has released almost an album a year for over 30 years. What artist has had a hit song from every album for that long? None, artist like Prince ,The Rolling Stones. Bruce Springsteen, they don't have to have hit songs or radio play to still sell or release new albums. Prince out of all of them still profits. The Revolution was a time period that will never come back. LET IT GO PEOPLE!

Paris9748430 said:

Exactly, MTV 2 was launched when,'95???

BINGO! One little mess up on MTV2 (Launched August 1, 1996), and it's GOSPEL now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA As Bugs said, "What a maroon!" Dude ain't smart about this, and he's disrespectful to the point that now he's a full on troll, wanting attention.

ernestsewell said:

Paris9748430 said:

Exactly, MTV 2 was launched when,'95???

BINGO! One little mess up on MTV2 (Launched August 1, 1996), and it's GOSPEL now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA As Bugs said, "What a maroon!" Dude ain't smart about this, and he's disrespectful to the point that now he's a full on troll, wanting attention.

I could tell U about 3 new deals...but I will wait for you to blog about them Ear-nie...

Oh yes...dude is very smart and he is very purple....not Marooon.

---End

ernestsewell said:

Paris9748430 said:

Exactly, MTV 2 was launched when,'95???

BINGO! One little mess up on MTV2 (Launched August 1, 1996), and it's GOSPEL now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA As Bugs said, "What a maroon!" Dude ain't smart about this, and he's disrespectful to the point that now he's a full on troll, wanting attention.

To be fair, I have seen Prince videos from the 1999 era on MTV and VH1 be billed as Prince and the Revolution before.

But that was long after 80's.

MoneyMade, quit bogardin'.

Aint hapnin capin, Gemini plus Narcissism is a hell of a drug. Prince maintains his sanity and peace of mind by doing whatever he isnt supposed to do...daily.

How about "When Doves Cry" it was 100% Prince, YET the it was marketed with "and the Revilution"?

And SOTT was a Prince album that had at least one P and the R song on it.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

then how do you explain his last 4 or 5 albums?

So SOTT,LOVESEXY,SYMBOL,BATMAN,GRAFFITI BRIDGE & THE GOLD ALBUM didn't have any hit songs without The Revolution? Prince has released almost an album a year for over 30 years. What artist has had a hit song from every album for that long? None, artist like Prince ,The Rolling Stones. Bruce Springsteen, they don't have to have hit songs or radio play to still sell or release new albums. Prince out of all of them still profits. The Revolution was a time period that will never come back. LET IT GO PEOPLE!

my post was to the claim that Prince dosen't like to go back. Yet, he has been trying to get that 1984 sound back since musicology. Prince is looking back.