He is just trying to get people's attention.
And it worked.
He's got an article in Rolling Stone (for a change);
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Not good attention. | |
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I think this whole internet is dead thing is meant it is dead for him. But, I would also think that statement was to support the newspapers and magazines that will carry his CD. It's good business politics to reinforce your partnership, while making a statement that creates a buzz. Like it or not it's creating a lot of attention around Prince's new CD. Not as much buzz as WB distributing his 20Ten CD in the USA. That will create a lot of attention-if indeed it does happen. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment | |
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It's just "purple nike heaven's gate" fodder to make the conversation interesting.
Back in the real world I think he basically has a "sour grapes" mindset about itunes and the like because he feels like as the quote goes: "I make music. They sell it." about record companies.
He wants to use the old record company blueprint of receiving an advance for each record. These days the advance isn't recoupable so Prince is taking the money and running.
Then he can put out CD's of HIGHLY VARIABLE quality and not worry about doing the legwork of promoting it.
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It's still opinion. I guess everything that you say is supposed to be scientific or quantifiable?
There have been threads on people not liking the above mentioned albums as well however everyone (meaning orgers,music critics, and the man on the street) can agree that those were his best two albums.
Now I respect you and your posts but your posts and opinions are not the end all be all of everything Prince just as mine are.
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Well this thread is interesting. So the internet is over, huh? M'kay. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Then, I'm afraid your suggestion would be piss poor. Great suggestion for 1910, not so great for 2010 - particularly in smaller cities when doing research on more esoteric or obscure subjects.
There is not a physical library anywhere that contains the amount of data available on the 'net, nor one that has that same amount of up to date data as available on the 'net. So, if you like living in the past...
Actually, it's not irrelevant at all. These people can only direct you to the limited physical data they have available in a single location. Beyond that, either they or you must use the internet.
...and now, thanks to Google Books, I'll be able to read old volumes that may NEVER again be available within the physical library system because they are too old and too rare to make physical copies publicly available for everyone. Never mind the local library, rare volumes in libraries across the world will be opened up to everyone via digital resources online. People will have access to books that have been essentially lost or forgotten through time. Obscure, limited circulation publications will suddenly be only 10 seconds away.
You know, I'll bet more people have met their spouses over the 'net since its introduction than they have in a library. ...and since you bring up human interaction, there are whole communities unto themselves on the 'net where people interested in a particular topic, or who have experience with a specific issue can be found. The library can't replace that.
If I'm working on my car, trying to isolate a specific problem, I can hop on the 'net, look up error codes, see photos of what the part looks like, check for the best prices on said part. I can then find out what stores have the part available locally both new and in a single search that covers all auto salvage yards in my area in 30 seconds (less time than it takes to even call and talk to a live person at a single location). I can view howto videos that show me exactly how to replace the defective part, exchange info with other actual people who have replaced the part and any "gotchas" they might have experienced in doing so.
If I'm trying to replace a door lockset in my 120 year old Eastlake house with something historically accurate... I can wait 20 years for an example to show up at the local demolition yard and pay 5 times too much for it - or I can hop onto ebay or Craigslist, find the part and have a repair completed inside of a week, saving a bundle in the process.
If I have some esoteric interest in Irish neolithic burial tombs, what is the local library going to have for me? Maybe an outdated book or two from 1972 with skimpy B&W pictures. Maybe one of the employees can order in another book or two that takes 3 weeks to get here.... or I can go online, see photos in hi-res, can visit the blogs of noted archeologists as they excavate around a dolmen in real time, and talk to other people in Ireland who have actually visited the site and can share their own data.
If I'm researching my family tree, I can find distance relatives that I never even knew existed, who've already done the work, etc...
..and those are examples of things I've done just in a single day recently that would have taken an insane amount of money or man hours to do prior to using the internet.
Hey, if that's the kind of motivation you need and the only exercise you ever get, then more power to you. However, I'd suggest a little known tool we currently have access to called a MOBILE DEVICE. They come in the form of notebooks, netbooks, cell phones, PDA's, etc...
I can get up off my not-so-fat ass and go enjoy a nice day at the park while I do my research. I can take a walk through the woods and use an iPad with a 'net connection to identify plant and wildlife. Can you do this with your library? Are you going to drag the library staff and all the bookshelves behind you with a crane as you walk through the woods?
..and this post is a bit rambling but it doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what is possible, nor does it even delve into other areas where the 'net is useful such as business, or general communication (such as video conferencing with friends and family who are half way around the world). [Edited 7/6/10 12:46pm] | |
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Not exactly accurate. Prince takes the art he already created and puts it out there to businesses who wish to license Prince's art for their marketing plans. The situation you explain has Prince telling somebody "gimme 1 million and I'll make an ablum for you." In reality, it's "I have this album. if you like it, gimme 1 million and you can bundle it with your product"
Umm....that's pretty much what I said, not to mention the fact that Prince himself used the word "advance" when talking about iTunes. [Edited 7/6/10 12:43pm] | |
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Okay everybody, throw away your ipods bacuse Prince told you to. Log off. The internet is over. Move along. Nothing to see here. | |
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Prince is not entirely wrong on internet "as we know it" being dead. Just type in 'internet censorship' in google and you will understand the assault the worldwibeweb is under from world governments.
Stand Up! Everybody, this is your life!
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and there it is. thanks for taking the time to put into words exactly what i feel. | |
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Well thanks for reading it! | |
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More Purple hype here too... http://music-mix.ew.com/2...rnet-over/
From the article:
You may now take a brief break to clear your brain of all those pesky numbers and consider the following paradox: If the Internet is completely over, how are you reading this post? I think Prince just blew my mind. Meanwhile, by saying the Internet is dead, Prince has gotten every music website on the planet to write about his new album. Clever. | |
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I-tunes or not if I can not buy it in a shop or get in in some US publication, I will have to get it someplace.
As that someplace is not likely to pay Prince anything I have to assume that as he refuses to use a service such as I-tunes (given prince's habit of generalizing I will assume that he also means no Amazon or any other on line music vendor either) that would pay him and that he is giving it away for 'free' in other publications that he really means what he said 15ish years ago that music should be FREE. And I will honour *Note fancy British spelling* his wishes and obtain it with out offering monetary consideration. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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I like how the photo shows him on a computer....a pretty white computer, he should sell 20Ten skins for laptops and other digital devices! [Edited 7/6/10 16:29pm] "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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P is getting a lot of bashing on that marquee blog which is sad.
Also people keep saying, "I thought Prince was dead." [Edited 7/6/10 17:14pm] unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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Well, Prince himself said that he was, indeed, dead (just like the internet apparently) so there's the source of confusion... his own mind. | |
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on twitter someone said
Prince: “The Internet Is Over” http://bit.ly/ainRwS #20ten #internet #itunes replyed..... hes still partying like its 1999
that was cute lol | |
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mm this too shall pass | |
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You know it's bad when people misspell in binary.
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Indeed. Mission accomplished. Prince ain't slick, LOL. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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I was having issues with the converter! "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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Target couldn't make their money back with a couple of commercials and tv appearances and NO radio play. No videos. Nothing to push the album. I doubt that Target was even a sponsor of the tour. At least they would have gotten a nice PR or marketing by sponsoring the tour.
I look at it like this, if Prince wants a "advance", he has to commit to a label that will get him on the radio, push his albums, make videos. Target can't do it. It has to be a multi-album deal so that they can re-coup and make some bank.
I am thinking he wants the lions share and believes his name alone makes it a good deal for a label. It brings x number of die hards, to get alot more, you have to reach more than just your die hards, via radio airplay. And he has to deliver some great music. He needs to rebuild his image, you can't just do that without some help.
He does well for himself, but if he wants to really be popular and everyone to enjoy his music, he needs help. Itunes wouldn't make much if he delivered them an album. Right now, being a Prince fan is like being part of a small underground, that's not mainstream and becoming less and less rememberable.
I think he's trying some things and having some success, but I don't think it's the success level he's looking for. It's financially successful and somewhat of a critical success, but not a mainstream success. Everything ends up being marked way down ($4.99 for his picturebook with live CD?, Lotus flower discounted at Target, go find Emancipation etc.)
He must listen to the radio and wonder why he's shut out. I don't think his music of late would make much of an impact right now - no bona fide hits have been produced. He has to step up his game. Let's Go Crazy, you didn't want that song out of your head. Nothing lately measures up. Do I still believe he has it in him, yes, I think he just needs to find that drive again. Just the way I see it at the moment.
But hey, who knows what really motivates him? What does he really want? Maybe he doesn't want to be on top. I know this, I could really use some GREAT NEW Prince tunes right about now. Not just good and interesting Prince tunes.
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And remember the two videos were limited to his website for a while, or one or two other places. NO ONE COULD FIND THEM. He's STUPID when it comes to shit like that, taking his videos off YouTube or whatever. He NEEDS all the free promotion he can get. His name alone won't sell any records - not like they used to. 16 months later, and Lotus still ain't even Gold status. Imagine if he did more than kiss Jay Leno's ass for three nights. Imagine if he just made the round of TV shows, ALL of them. Imagine if he put the videos out for folks to see, and marketed stuff like "Crimson and Clover" to rock stations and even oldies stations. Imagine if he marketed "Box of Chocolates" or whatever to Urban radio.
Prince forgot how to be willing to do the work, then bitches because nothing gets done. So then what? Demand the money in advance, and shit on every distributor you've had, eventually going back to the plantation you were so hot to get away from not even two decades ago.
Lotus is $4.99 in stores, and has been since February or so. (I took a picture of the 4.99 tag and posted it on Flickr February 1 of this year.) There are gobs of them here in every Target I venture into. They can't give it away. I don't know what Prince is telling these people who do one-off deals with him, but they're sure eating it up. | |
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As intelligent as Prince is, I was stunned when I read this quote. He really missed the mark...
He's either WAY ahead of all of us, or completely out of touch The man might just know something we all don't
Not that I'm taking his side (the internet IS the future, being one of the most powerful tools out there) but I believe if Prince was less money hungry/possessive; he would have a different outlook. Infact he would be embracing the net had it be benefiting to his royal standards. "Not to sound cosmic, but I've made plans for the next 3,000 years," he says. "Before, it was only three days at a time." | |
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Not to play semantics, but this IS the future. We are in the middle of it.
The internet has been in a big public way since the mid-late 90's, right? Roughly 15 years, let's say. We ARE in the future. Cam streaming, music selling, the whole blogasphere, fan forums (!), downloading TV shows and movies, news outlets, interactions, etc etc - the list of things accomplished in the past 15 years is amazing.
The internet isn't to come, it's HERE. This is the space age, the technology age, the lightning age. We are it.
When it comes to having his cocky finger on the pulse of something new and exciting, Prince is over, not the internet. | |
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this too shall pass | |
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