Well, that didnt take long, Prince is already a story on Gizmodo for his internet rant

http://gizmodo.com/558015...al-gadgets

"Prince is like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated."

AsylumUtopia said:

Dreamer2 said:

Not really he's just pushing them to change.....and they will!

I'm sure he'd love them to, but I'd say iTunes could just show him the stats for searches for his music, so he'd know exactly how much of a dent in their profits it makes not having his music to sell |(i.e. not much at all).

Aside from which, if these really are direct quotes from Prince:

"The Internet's completely over. I don't see why I should give my new music to iTunes or anyone else. They won't pay me an advance for it and then they get angry when they can't get it.

"The Internet's like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated. Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."

then the poor guy has disappeared further up his arse than I thought possible.

The internet's completely over. Yeah right, Prince, stop sniffin' the chemtrails.

When he comes out with shit like that (if he did) it makes me cringe, because it shows the guy lacks the fundemental understanding of what the internet is and where it's going.

I think he's decided he hates the internet because he's still pissed off about LotusFlow$r.

As are we Prince, as are we.

(but at least we know the internet isn't a fad that's just going to die, and we can handle our heads being filled with all those numbers, it's only 0's and 1's anyway)

I agree. To say the internet is like MTV is ridiculous. It is like saying the telephone is an early 20th century blip. Maybe technology is merging but it's only in a web based direction. I don't like to criticise Prince too much coz as I've said before on here I feel he has done more than enough and doesnt need to prove himself. However he has to be wary that he can undo that legacy. Whatever Prince thinks he does need a PR agent. Eccentric comments may add to his mystique but blatantly WRONG ones will certainly not

Sweething said:

TrevorAyer said:

the internet only exists to profile you and track u in a data base .. sell u products .. make shure ur still stupid and take ur money .. the internet is the shiney new car that u have to get out and push .. more work than its worth and a complete waste of time and energy

I agree totally. The internet has hit its proverbial "glass ceiling". It has nowhere else to go; can't cook me dinner or wash my clothes~which would be usefull!

With sites like Wikipedia where anyone can post whatever, the .Net has ultimately undermined the legitimacy of all that is available on the .Net; thinking people will/have begun to question its viability and resourcefullness.

In terms of music, any downloads from Youtube are worthless. ITunes quality is better, but why bother, its still not as great as a CD you can record yourself. The cost of CDs will decline which will allow us to purchase several great sons for less than what you pay on ITunes.

The Internet is limited to what was said above and is a waste of time, energy and life. Hopefully people will get a clue and start going back outside and doing the things they were doing before this expolosion of nothingness.

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[Edited 7/5/10 23:39pm]

If this is what Prince meant then that is fine. I think there is a sense that the internet can give endless fulfilment but then we realise we are human-so yes physicality is better be that a CD or human contact. Howver I don't think P meant that. Whatever we say the internet is the basis of most communication for trade and networking. What it will never do is replace people but then again what are we doing here................?

jcurley said:

What it will never do is replace people but then again what are we doing here................?

communicating mind to mind, defying the laws of space, and time...

Dauphin said:

Spinlight said:

Um. You ever hear of Vevo? And do you understand why artists sign up for the Vevo system?

Would Prince ever distribute his videos through Vevo (like he should)? Of course not. Why? Because he doesn't give a shit about fans wanting to watch old music videos and him generating ad revenue from that. He wanted people to play his cheezy, proprietary game or don't get invited to the party.

You talk to some artists and they just want their fans to hear the music and see the videos. They know the fans will show up in droves that way. People from Beyonce to Lady Gaga to Mariah Carey to Alicia Keys to Ozzy Osbourne know how to properly manage their empires. Why is it that Prince consistently makes it more and more difficult for old fans to maintain libraries and new fans to even give a shit? That ain't business. It's career suicide, something Prince has been in the business of for a very long time.

Yep, I understand Vevo and the way it works. Obviously, there's something about the strucure that Prince does not like. Gaga and others do, so be it.

I understand where you're coming from, and I do agree to an extent. I just don't understand what it had to do with what I posted. Also, it's funny that you say "It's career suicide" and then immediately follow with "Prince has been committing career suicide for a LONG TIME." LOL. What is it man? Does he have a long, storied career or what?

Prince has always been self-sabotaging. He would be much more successful should he hire an actual manager.

Why is it wrong of me to post a video of Nasty Girl if there is no video of Nasty Girl available officially?

Spinlight said:

Sweething said:

I'm going to ignore your snide coment as I dont want to overshadow the point. Libraries, which hire intelligent, knowledgeable (currently unemployed) people who are trained in helping you find whatever research tools you need, are an excellent tool. (Whether they have computers or not is irrelevant.) Books and publications of all kinds are found in Libraries.

(Not to mention that Librarie are a source of employment for people--you remember what people are, don't you?) They pay taxes, give you advise, stroke you when you're feeling down, yell at you when you need it.....human interaction. Some people have even met their spouses in Libraries -- but I digress.

Only thing, the Library requires is that we get off of our fat arses, go there and actually perform research! Good Night.

ooops.

[Edited 7/6/10 0:24am]

You can ignore it all you want, but it's pertinent. You are assuming people don't use libraries. You are assuming that if at any point in time I want to find out a piece of information, I should trek to the library. There are so many situations I could bring up that trump the library, I can't even fathom where to begin. I could begin at your other reference to cell phones. My cell phone has a limitless amount of encyclopedias in its reach. I can find out more information on my cell phone driving to work than I can sitting in a library. (And btw, sitting on a fat ass is sitting on a fat ass. Doesn't change the action just because your scenery changed.)

When I go to a library, it's to check out a book or 3 or to study for classes. When I want to nerd out on facts, I check wikipedia or other online resources. Either from sitting on my fat ass at the computer or even laying my fat ass on the couch or bed, should I choose. Hell, my fat ass could drive to get a triple chocolate sundae and nerd out on facts at the same time, should my fat ass require it.

ha ha Got to say it Spinlight you do speak with eloquence !

Cravens said:

skywalker said:

A few thoughts on this:

[..]

In the art world, the artist creates a painting/sculpture/etc and puts a price on it. They show it, shop it around, someone pays for the work, or they don't. This is more similar to how Prince is operating, I think. He already has made the album, he is just shopping it around. How he gets it out to the world is similar to an artist finding a gallery to display their work. I suppose, many artists can do work for hire/are commissioned but I think that only relates to Prince's live performances in some cases.

[..]

I just wanted to add to this, as in the art world it's in most cases actually closer to your Tom Cruise example. The artist usually thinks up an idea (an artist like Christo or Olafur Eliassonfor instance) or make a mock-up out of cheap materials (like a cheap paper-statue with gold paint, that gets pitched by the artist as "a future gold statue I intend to make") and then offers his idea to sellers (could be a gallery or an art collector) for, say 3 million. The artist gets paid his 3 million, make the piece, usually displays it (collector's vanity demands that we know what he bought), then hands it over to the buyer.

So usually, artists are paid up front - and usually they are so on describition of the piece the artist has intented to do (and not the finished product itself). However, only bankable artist can do this, have money in obscene numbers thrown at them for just their idea. But the principle of being paid up front, is the most common economical rule in art whether you're famous or not.

Well that's specifically caleed a "Commission". Artist who randomly create at will wouldn't get paid up front and in many ways that is a true artist.

jcurley said:

Artist who randomly create at will wouldn't get paid up front and in many ways that is a true artist.

Cravens said:

skywalker said:

A few thoughts on this:

[..]

In the art world, the artist creates a painting/sculpture/etc and puts a price on it. They show it, shop it around, someone pays for the work, or they don't. This is more similar to how Prince is operating, I think. He already has made the album, he is just shopping it around. How he gets it out to the world is similar to an artist finding a gallery to display their work. I suppose, many artists can do work for hire/are commissioned but I think that only relates to Prince's live performances in some cases.

[..]

I just wanted to add to this, as in the art world it's in most cases actually closer to your Tom Cruise example. The artist usually thinks up an idea (an artist like Christo or Olafur Eliassonfor instance) or make a mock-up out of cheap materials (like a cheap paper-statue with gold paint, that gets pitched by the artist as "a future gold statue I intend to make") and then offers his idea to sellers (could be a gallery or an art collector) for, say 3 million. The artist gets paid his 3 million, make the piece, usually displays it (collector's vanity demands that we know what he bought), then hands it over to the buyer.

So usually, artists are paid up front - and usually they are so on describition of the piece the artist has intented to do (and not the finished product itself). However, only bankable artist can do this, have money in obscene numbers thrown at them for just their idea. But the principle of being paid up front, is the most common economical rule in art whether you're famous or not.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that the art world operated like that.

If he cares so much about money, maybe he should start making music people actually wanna pay for.

Because people love to bitch and Prince.org gives them an opportunity to bitch about Prince.

He will never make a CD that 90 % of his so called fan base will like. People on this site don't like Purple Rain or SOTT which damn near everyone is in agreement are his two best albums.

It's an either/or situation. Either you will buy the album or you won't.

[Edited 7/6/10 11:24am]

skywalker said:

Cravens said:

I just wanted to add to this, as in the art world it's in most cases actually closer to your Tom Cruise example. The artist usually thinks up an idea (an artist like Christo or Olafur Eliassonfor instance) or make a mock-up out of cheap materials (like a cheap paper-statue with gold paint, that gets pitched by the artist as "a future gold statue I intend to make") and then offers his idea to sellers (could be a gallery or an art collector) for, say 3 million. The artist gets paid his 3 million, make the piece, usually displays it (collector's vanity demands that we know what he bought), then hands it over to the buyer.

So usually, artists are paid up front - and usually they are so on describition of the piece the artist has intented to do (and not the finished product itself). However, only bankable artist can do this, have money in obscene numbers thrown at them for just their idea. But the principle of being paid up front, is the most common economical rule in art whether you're famous or not.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that the art world operated like that.

The example you are using is more like a piece being commissioned (something similiar to the record company model), where money is needed to actually complete the work or where the interest is very high (like you stated). The difference is Prince has already completed the work and isn't on a record label.

The Tom Cruise example should not be compared to the music industry. Tom Cruise (or any other actor) is contracted to perform in someone else's art. Although actors are artists in a sense, they can only add to what has already been established. They are "work for hire", and the money behind the project takes a chance everytime they pay someone upfront. But they are fine with that because they have the money to play with.

Prince wants to be paid upfront for his own art, art that hasn't been commissioned by anyone but himself. He is trying to use the old "advance" model while working with businesses that aren't record companies and don't want to take the risk. What he forgets is that advances from record companies were designed to be a loan to the artist so that they could live "comfortably" during the (used to be) long recording and marketing process. But since he is using his own money to finance his art advances are not only unnecessary but absolutely ridiculous. iTunes has no long term investment in Prince or any other artist so why would they give him an advance? The only reason these newspapers are going along with Prince is because print media is dying and ANY gimmick that can increase circulation is going to be tried. But there will only be so many times this will work before the papers realize that its costing them more than what its worth.

[Edited 7/6/10 8:50am]

muleFunk said:

He will never make a CD that 90 % of his so called fan base will like. People on this site don't like Purple Rain or SOTT which damn near everyone is in agreement are his two best albums.

Major falsehood, and an unfair and unfounded blanket statement.

It's an either/or situation. Either you will by the album or you won't.

Another blanket statement that goes for anything in the world: Either you will buy something, or you won't. Either you will eat your peas, or you won't. Either you will buy an HDTV, or you won't. Either you will fart in Febreeze aisle at Target, or you won't.

I guess the guy who like to remind us he's got "so many hits!" better re-assess the concept of a 'hit'. Whatever the concept is, I don't think it's giving away your album free with the paper, then claiming everyone who bought the paper bought your cd.

Itunes is super-fair in terms of cost to the artist, and also pervasive, ie just about everyone in the world who wants to buy your music knows they can look for it on itunes. So as long as you 'spread the word' (something Prince should have no trouble with ha ha) that you have a new album, the method of distribution is taken care of.

Sounds like the very thing P was working towards with interactive cdrom and NPGMC. Bypassing traditional forms of distribution and dealing direct with fans. Okay, itunes is not the only way to to this, but if you're gonna shut down your internet fan site, it's a damn good one.

I think he sees a lot of current music as a threat, and doesn't want to have to get of his lyrically and musically lazy ass to compete with relevant artists (eg Janelle Monae, Erykah Badu) in a 'chart' system. It used to work for him when he had 'Kiss' in him, but 'Hot Summer' ain't gonna beat the ingenuity of 'Tightrope', let's face it.

Well, actually, we are facing it, so Prince, can you face it please?

We know we have it in you. Put the smoothie down.

BartVanHemelen said:

Dreamer2 said:

Not really he's just pushing them to change.....and they will!

Bullcrap. iTunes ain't changing for the Beatles, and most certainly not for Prince.

i thought itunes were in dispute with Paul Mccartney because he owns the name apple from the early sixties, each beatle had a company named after various fruit

Hatman said:

I think he sees a lot of current music as a threat, and doesn't want to have to get of his lyrically and musically lazy ass to compete with relevant artists (eg Janelle Monae, Erykah Badu) in a 'chart' system. It used to work for him when he had 'Kiss' in him, but 'Hot Summer' ain't gonna beat the ingenuity of 'Tightrope', let's face it.

Well, actually, we are facing it, so Prince, can you face it please? We know we have it in you. Put the smoothie down.

THIS!

ernestsewell said:

muleFunk said:

He will never make a CD that 90 % of his so called fan base will like. People on this site don't like Purple Rain or SOTT which damn near everyone is in agreement are his two best albums.

Major falsehood, and an unfair and unfounded blanket statement.

It's an either/or situation. Either you will by the album or you won't.

Another blanket statement that goes for anything in the world: Either you will buy something, or you won't. Either you will eat your peas, or you won't. Either you will buy an HDTV, or you won't. Either you will fart in Febreeze aisle at Target, or you won't.

This is my opinion just like your commentary is your opinion.

Dreamer2 said:

NouveauDance said:

This is just a quote from the current batch of interviews.

Basically, he can't get an advance with their business model, so it's sour grapes.

Not really he's just pushing them to change.....and they will!

You do understand we're talking Apple Inc., right? They're not scared of the Big 5, let alone the little P.

Apple makes a very small profit margin from sales of dowloaded music. At the end of the day, Apple is a hardware company and that's where they make their cash. The idea they'd give up even more of a profit margin to a bossy 'retro' artist confounds me.

Prince could easily go the way of U2 and release his own special edition iPod (I mean, one that was TRULY his), and that would be kind of cool. Imagine hundreds of unreleased vault songs on an Ipod. (fantasy vs. reality).

But anyways, yeah... Apple ain't bending for Prince.

Let's take this in the other direction for a minute.

We know that Prince is very intelligent and very well versed on World Matters.

Perhaps he feels the Internet is dead based on the current administrations efforts for Internet Regulation.

http://blog.survivalstation.org/citizen-uprising-over-internet-regulation-51978.html

This is also a guy who said:

I've gotta go home y'all...
I've gotta go back to America
I've gotta go get ready for the bomb
Osama Bin Laden getting ready to bomb
America... you better watch out... 2001

And Lo And Behold..........

carlcranshaw said:

Let's take this in the other direction for a minute.

We know that Prince is very intelligent and very well versed on World Matters.

Perhaps he feels the Internet is dead based on the current administrations efforts for Internet Regulation.

http://blog.survivalstation.org/citizen-uprising-over-internet-regulation-51978.html

This is also a guy who said:

I've gotta go home y'all...
I've gotta go back to America
I've gotta go get ready for the bomb
Osama Bin Laden getting ready to bomb
America... you better watch out... 2001

And Lo And Behold..........

What?? Prince is a PROPHET or someting now??! LAWD!!! It has NOTHING to do with internet regulation. And if anything, Prince would probably be happier with internet regulation.

carlcranshaw said:

Let's take this in the other direction for a minute.

We know that Prince is very intelligent and very well versed on World Matters.

How do we know this?

TheVoid said:

carlcranshaw said:

Let's take this in the other direction for a minute.

We know that Prince is very intelligent and very well versed on World Matters.

How do we know this?

Yeah, really. He thinks chemtrails make people violent.

muleFunk said:

ernestsewell said:

Another blanket statement that goes for anything in the world: Either you will buy something, or you won't. Either you will eat your peas, or you won't. Either you will buy an HDTV, or you won't. Either you will fart in Febreeze aisle at Target, or you won't.

This is my opinion just like your commentary is your opinion.

It's not "opinion" when you're speaking for "everyone", or even "people on this site", most of which you probably don't know well enough to speak for.

You think folks here hate SOTT? WTF forum you reading?

You said, "People on this site don't like Purple Rain or SOTT", which is false. The sentiment of SOTT is always love-driven.

Then you said, "... damn near everyone is in agreement are his two best albums."

So which is it? Who is "everyone"? "Everyone" here? Or has someone taken the time to survey the free world in order to gather these incredibly out-of-balance statistics?

Let's forget about 1999, Controversy, Dirty Mind, The Gold Experience, Exodus, Lovesexy, Batman, Parade, , and Around The World In A Day - all of which folks have listed as one of their top favorites, well above Purple Rain. Yeah, let's just stick with the PR and SOTT. That's safe.

Klyph said:

skywalker said:

Cool. Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that the art world operated like that.

The example you are using is more like a piece being commissioned (something similiar to the record company model), where money is needed to actually complete the work or where the interest is very high (like you stated). The difference is Prince has already completed the work and isn't on a record label.

The Tom Cruise example should not be compared to the music industry. Tom Cruise (or any other actor) is contracted to perform in someone else's art. Although actors are artists in a sense, they can only add to what has already been established. They are "work for hire", and the money behind the project takes a chance everytime they pay someone upfront. But they are fine with that because they have the money to play with.

Prince wants to be paid upfront for his own art, art that hasn't been commissioned by anyone but himself. He is trying to use the old "advance" model while working with businesses that aren't record companies and don't want to take the risk. What he forgets is that advances from record companies were designed to be a loan to the artist so that they could live "comfortably" during the (used to be) long recording and marketing process. But since he is using his own money to finance his art advances are not only unnecessary but absolutely ridiculous. iTunes has no long term investment in Prince or any other artist so why would they give him an advance? The only reason these newspapers are going along with Prince is because print media is dying and ANY gimmick that can increase circulation is going to be tried. But there will only be so many times this will work before the papers realize that its costing them more than what its worth.

[Edited 7/6/10 8:50am]

Not exactly accurate. Prince takes the art he already created and puts it out there to businesses who wish to license Prince's art for their marketing plans. The situation you explain has Prince telling somebody "gimme 1 million and I'll make an ablum for you." In reality, it's "I have this album. if you like it, gimme 1 million and you can bundle it with your product"

Prince can be a royal idiot sometimes. Unless he means the internet is over for him....in that case, he has a right to his opinion and next professional move. Unfortunately, it is those that remain loyal that have to ride his bi-polar rollercoaster. So, fuck him! I will get his next batch of music on bootleg. The internet isn't over for getting bootlegs

brooklyn said:

Prince can be a royal idiot sometimes. Unless he means the internet is over for him....in that case, he has a right to his opinion and next professional move. Unfortunately, it is those that remain loyal that have to ride his bi-polar rollercoaster. So, fuck him! I will get his next batch of music on bootleg. The internet isn't over for getting bootlegs

Damn right!

carlcranshaw said:

Let's take this in the other direction for a minute.

We know that Prince is very intelligent and very well versed on World Matters.

Perhaps he feels the Internet is dead based on the current administrations efforts for Internet Regulation.

http://blog.survivalstation.org/citizen-uprising-over-internet-regulation-51978.html

This is also a guy who said:

I've gotta go home y'all...
I've gotta go back to America
I've gotta go get ready for the bomb
Osama Bin Laden getting ready to bomb
America... you better watch out... 2001

And Lo And Behold..........

Educate yourself. Prince isn't some clairvoyant predicting world events. Try this on for size:

Anyone who watched the news, knew these things about bin Laden:

December 1992 - bombing of Gold Mihor Hotel in Aden Yemen. 2 people dead

1990's - financially aided and assisted jihadis in Algeria, Afghanistan, and Egypt; he urged war instead of peace, and the war killed almost 200,000 Algerians (this incident put him on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted)

1993 - Orchestrated and financially aided attacks the WTC

November 1997 - Funded the Luxor Massacre, 62 people dead.

1997 - Attack on city of Mazar-e-Sharif in Afghanistan; killed 6,000 people

1998 - declared war on North Americans and allies. He told journalists that Americans were "very easy targets", and that "you will see the results of this in a very short time".

August 7, 1998 - orchestrated the bombing of the embassies in Africa, namely in the cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya

October 2000 - orchestrated the attack on the USS Cole in October 2000

Osama's name was in the news for years, well before September 11, 2001.


Also, while we're keeping it real, the "2001" part was because Prince was calling out a cue to the band to play "Also Sprach Zarathrustra" by Richard Strauss, which was used as the main theme to Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. It was NOT Prince saying Osama was going to bomb in 2001.

He also said, "Ya'll ready? 2001 is here HOLLAND" as the band played the Strauss song. The "Osama bin laden gettin' ready to bomb" is repeated over and over before that. He then says "America, ya better watch out." Then called the cue to play "Also Sprach Zarathrustra" again. Considering the date of this recording, Prince is most likely referencing the above-mentioned Embassy bombings which happened days, or even just a week or two, before the show in question (although I'm unclear on the date of the Holland recording).

For the record, also, the "Also Sprach Zarathrustra" was played a lot on that tour, and his calling out "2001" was the cue for that, the same way he'd call out "SQUIRRELMEAT", or "LEAD LINE" or "CONFUSION" or "HIT ME IN THE BACK". He did not chant "Osama bin Laden, gettin' ready to bomb" all the time, or nearly at all, except the incident in question. bin Laden told REPORTERS that stuff was going to start happening, which means it was IN THE MEDIA. Prince watches the news like anyone. He was referencing a news story, not seeing the future.

The 9/11 attacks were originally planned as far back as January 3, 2000 as a "happening" date which, at that time, included attacks in Jordan, Mount Nebo (on tourists), a site at the Jordan River, sinking of the USS The Sullivans in Yemen, as well as a target on US soil. The whole thing was foiled.

Don't make it into something it's not because it's not that brilliant.

Please guys, don't mention 9/11 attacks. I do not want to see TonyvanDam clogging up another topic with his conspiracies talk.

[Edited 7/6/10 10:37am]