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Reply #30 posted 07/05/10 2:00am

BartVanHemelen

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Cravens said:

irreverence said:

By the way:

What stood out, and which no reviews seem to notice, is that of all his own songs, he only played one (1) that wasn't from the 80s. Nothing from the upcoming album, nothing from LotusFlower, just that great 80s vibe all through.

I have no idea why!

Well, on a festival, most of the audience will only know Prince as "the guy that wore purple and sang like a girl on Kiss", I'm sure.

And who's to blame for that?

More or less any legacy act on a festival plays the well known hits or favorites.

Oh, so now he's a legacy act? Funny, according to most famz he's still way ahead of the pack, and his latest music is even better than his classics.

In case Prince had played songs from The Rainbow Children and anything from his NPG Music club days, I think he'd have made people walk out on him. People on festivals might be there to catch Gorillaz, Robyn, Muse and The National (or anybody "current")

All of them playing and promoting their LATEST album.

Festivals are a good place for Prince to broaden his fanbase, with concerts that underlines in thick bold letters: "I fucking rule, bitches" .. and hopefully, people will run out and buy his latest record (as it's probably the only one available in the shops) or dig into his back cataloge.

Hilarious. His latest IS NOT in shops. Maybe they'll find another recent album, but all fo thsoe are quite shiot (hence Prince not playing those songs live). Hint: being a human jokebox playing 25+ year old songs will NOT get you new fans, all it will do is increase the sales of your greatest hits discs, and make WB a ton of money.

If you want to experience Prince trying out new suits and tunes, I think you'd want to go to a concert exclusively dedicated to him.

[Edited 7/5/10 1:38am]

Like in Paris? Oh wait, no, oldies again. Monaco? Nope, oldies again. 21 Nights? Nope, oldies again. Etcetera etcetera.

You lot always come up with the lamest excuses, and they're always easily debunked.

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[Edited 7/5/10 2:00am]

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Reply #31 posted 07/05/10 2:17am

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"The reviewers: Prince is the master".:

http://kpn.dk/popmusik/ar...117442.ece

Anmelderne: Prince er mesteren

Af SARAH KOTT

Offentliggjort 05.07.10kl. 09:27

Uanset dårlig lyd og langtrukne jams er Prince en musikalsk mester, lyder dommen.

Den 52-årige popprins lukkede årets Roskilde Festival med en koncert, som i det store hele har efterladt en tilfreds anmelderskare.

Der er dog bred enighed om, at funkstjernen brugte lidt for meget tid på at fremvise sine evner på en guitar, alligevel ender anmelderne på fire stjerner eller mere.

Prince som Mozart

Berlingske Tidendes Thomas Søie Hansen hører til i den meget glade ende af anmelderkorpset. Under overskriften "Prince spillede sig tæt på guderne" giver han seks stjerner og skriver:

"Som en anden Mozart dirigerede han rundt med sine musikere og publikum. Han var ikke kommet til Danmark for sjov, han var simpelthen kommet for at skabe sig et eftermæle. Så oprigtig, så fantastisk tog han sig ud."

Festivalens bedste guitarist

B.T.'s Steffen Jungersen er med fem stjerner næsten enig:

"Det var idiotisk velspillet, og når manden synger ”I Love My Guitar”, så tror da fanden, han gør det. Den elsker da også ham, og dét i en grad, så talrige af os blev enige om, at manden uden sidestykke var den bedste guitarist på denne festival," lyder det.

I Ekstra Bladet lyder dommen på fire stjerner, og Henrik Quetsch skriver:

"Der er ikke skyggen af tvivl om, at Prince besidder mere musikalitet i sin lillefingernegl end flere turbusser fulde af blege indiemusikere, det er snarere redigeringen det kniber med. Hvilket på godt og ondt er en del af den improvisationsbaserede funk- og jazztradition Prince udspringer af. Men som altså også betød, at Prince i går vekslede mellem det sublime og det søvndyssende."

En autoritær mester

Også i Politiken afstedkommer koncerten fire hjerter.

"Prince er tilbage. Og det er både rørende og bekræftende, at se denne troldmand agere med en sådan besjælet spilleglade, kun en god uges tid efter årsdagen for Michael Jacksons alt for tidlige død. Kongen af pop er død, men Prinsen lever i bedste velgående," skriver Erik Jensen.

Endelig ender også Jyllands-Postens Anders Houmøller Thomsen på fire stjerner.

"Når det gælder kropsnære beats og grooves er han en autoritær mester, som søndag blev bakket op af en samling funk-skarpe musikere og sangere, der fulgte pop-prinsen loyalt og levende."

"Prince is like Mozart"

"Prince, the best guitarist on Roskilde"

"Prince a master" ("Autoritær", I don't know how to translate)

[Edited 7/5/10 2:20am]

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Reply #32 posted 07/05/10 2:31am

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thedance said:

"Prince a master" ("Autoritær", I don't know how to translate)

"Autoritær" actually translates as "Authoritarian", but I guess this might be meant as a good thing in this context smile

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Reply #33 posted 07/05/10 2:35am

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Cravens said:

irreverence said:

By the way:

What stood out, and which no reviews seem to notice, is that of all his own songs, he only played one (1) that wasn't from the 80s. Nothing from the upcoming album, nothing from LotusFlower, just that great 80s vibe all through.

I have no idea why!

Well, on a festival, most of the audience will only know Prince as "the guy that wore purple and sang like a girl on Kiss", I'm sure. At least those, who only know Prince as 1) something they stopped listening to in 1993 or 2) a name they've seen in their mum and dad's record collection up on the attic.

More or less any legacy act on a festival plays the well known hits or favorites. In case Prince had played songs from The Rainbow Children and anything from his NPG Music club days, I think he'd have made people walk out on him. People on festivals might be there to catch Gorillaz, Robyn, Muse and The National (or anybody "current"), thinking: "..and while I'm here, I'll catch Prince as well .. didn't he do that song .. erhm .. Pink Pain and When Diamonds Cry or som'in?" and want to experience the familiar, for the most part.

Festivals are a good place for Prince to broaden his fanbase, with concerts that underlines in thick bold letters: "I fucking rule, bitches" .. and hopefully, people will run out and buy his latest record (as it's probably the only one available in the shops) or dig into his back cataloge.

If you want to experience Prince trying out new suits and tunes, I think you'd want to go to a concert exclusively dedicated to him.

[Edited 7/5/10 1:38am]

Or maybe he just played whatever he wanted, as he always does. I believe in the appropriate use of Ockham's razor.

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Reply #34 posted 07/05/10 2:57am

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Well, on a festival, most of the audience will only know Prince as "the guy that wore purple and sang like a girl on Kiss", I'm sure.

And who's to blame for that?

Huh? Am I being attacked because of .. erhm .. what? I don't control Prince, he's not my puppet, and I too regret, that Prince hasn't been able to keep that 1980's level of creativity. But are you SO outthere, that you have to make strangers (who are not really particurly crazy of the last ten-fifteen years of Prince) answer on behalf of Prince?

More or less any legacy act on a festival plays the well known hits or favorites.

Oh, so now he's a legacy act? Funny, according to most famz he's still way ahead of the pack, and his latest music is even better than his classics.

And a festival is flooded with Famz? Is those the people he is playing for? Oh, I get it .. you say I'M a fam, right? You're so funny.

In case Prince had played songs from The Rainbow Children and anything from his NPG Music club days, I think he'd have made people walk out on him. People on festivals might be there to catch Gorillaz, Robyn, Muse and The National (or anybody "current")

All of them playing and promoting their LATEST album.

Yes and no. Every one of those bands played a mixture of old and new. But I don't think Prince can afford to just play the new songs. No one knows them, and many don't like them.


Festivals are a good place for Prince to broaden his fanbase, with concerts that underlines in thick bold letters: "I fucking rule, bitches" .. and hopefully, people will run out and buy his latest record (as it's probably the only one available in the shops) or dig into his back cataloge.

Hilarious. His latest IS NOT in shops. Maybe they'll find another recent album, but all fo thsoe are quite shiot (hence Prince not playing those songs live). Hint: being a human jokebox playing 25+ year old songs will NOT get you new fans, all it will do is increase the sales of your greatest hits discs, and make WB a ton of money.

Until 20ten is released Lotusflow3r is the latest obtainable album. And if you were reading carefully, you'd see the irony of my statement being painfully clear, as you can't get the US-exclusive Lotusflow3r in Denmark or anywhere in Europe outside France, and neither can you with particular ease find the old albums .. and I'm sorry to point out the obvious joke: this concert could maybe lead to increase sales, but since Prince hasn't reprinted and promoted his old music so that record stores may have been inclined to stock pile them, there's nothing out there but old 1980's prints to be bought by anyone.

If you want to experience Prince trying out new suits and tunes, I think you'd want to go to a concert exclusively dedicated to him.

[Edited 7/5/10 1:38am]

Like in Paris? Oh wait, no, oldies again. Monaco? Nope, oldies again. 21 Nights? Nope, oldies again. Etcetera etcetera.

Yep, in those concert he ONLY played Purple Rain and Kiss and When Doves Cry. NO other songs were played, especially not song that never were singles or that were song people who only bought the Purple Rain album would know. No no. Not a single note of any other song. Ahah, nope, nono, never.

You lot always come up with the lamest excuses, and they're always easily debunked.

How was I making excuses? I was explaining how big artists on the Orange Stage on Roskilde ALWAYS make their set lists. What are you? A wild dog, misinterpreting everyfuckingthing?

So when I essentially called Prince playing it safe and sticking to the old formular for festival set lists, like every other artist out there, and setting himself up to fail in his aim to increase sales (due to his bizarre way of handling his music) ... you hear me say: "He was God, I wanna have his babies".

What's wrong with you? Are you a Fam-phobe, that thinks everyone who's only critical in a reasonable tone and don't want the man dead, is "too soft"?

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Reply #35 posted 07/05/10 3:31am

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http://www.nme.com/news/prince/51840

Prince turns the Orange stage purple as he closes this year's Roskilde festival

Date / Time Venue Town/City Seetickets Seatwave

The National, Kasabian and Pavement also perform on the last day of the 40th anniversary of the event

Prince closed this year's Roskilde festival last tonight (July 4) with a selection of his most well known hits and a selection of covers.

Rounding off the 40th anniversary of the Danish event, which also saw headline performances by Gorillaz, Them Crooked Vultures and Muse, the purple one played for just over two hours.

Joined on stage by a full backing band, the set began with a medley of his previous singles 'Let's Go Crazy' and 'Delirious', which lasted almost 15 minutes.

Following up with '1999' and 'Little Red Corvette', the performance then included covers of Chic's 'Le Freak', Bill Withers' 'Lean On Me', Sinead O'Connor's 'Nothing Compares 2 U', Jackson 5's 'Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)' and Sly And The Family Stone's 'Everyday People'.

Dressed in a white billowy number, which was emblazoned with an image of him from his upcoming new album, '20Ten', Prince also cleared up the ongoing debate on what people should call him.

"What's my name? Denmark," he asked the crowd, to which they replied "Prince". "Ok, now people don't need to ask what I want to be referred to as that's my name and this is my song to you."

Prince than jumped straight into 'Kiss', which caused mass cheering and dancing from the 65,000 strong crowd and brought the festival to a close.

Prince played:

'Let's Go Crazy'
'Delirious'
'1999'
'Little Red Corvette'
'I Like funky Music'
'Controversy'
'Sexy Dancer'
'Le Freak'
'Why U Wanna Treat Me So Bad'
'Take Me With U'
'Guitar'
'Angel'
'Lean On Me'
'Nothing Compares 2 U'
'Purple Rain'
'Mountains'
'Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)'
'Everyday People'
'Kiss'


Earlier in the day, The National showcased material from their fifth studio album 'High Violet' on the Arena stage. Playing recent singles 'Bloodbuzz Ohio' and 'Anyone's Ghost', the 17,000 capacity tent was fit to burst.

Meanwhile, despite four days of sweltering temperatures at the bash, Kasabian still managed to keep the crowd moving during their 15-song set.

The Leicester band gave outings to 'Fast Fuse', 'Shoot The Runner' and 'Underdog' early on, before later performing 'Fire', 'Vlad The Impaler' and finishing with 'L.S.F.'.

Other acts we appeared on the final day of the festival included Pavement, Motorhead, Local Natives, The Kissaway Trail, Miike Snow and The Temper Trap.

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Reply #36 posted 07/05/10 3:55am

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"Superior Purple Eminence"



One of the biggest scoops was to successfully book Prince for this year’s festival [roskilde, Denmark]. Though the star has dwindled somewhat over the years, he is still one of the greatest, most unique and not to forget talented pop stars the world has yet seen.

While the sun set over Dyrskuepladsen the purple eminence took over the festivals biggest stage. He was fifteen minutes late, but all was soon forgotten, when he kicked the party into gear with “Let’s Go Crazy” and immediately followed with “Delirious” and “1999”. Nobody could have any doubts that Prince had arrived and had planned to serve the funky parade of hits that everyone had wished for.

Though he didn’t look like much on the stage [or “though he seemed very small on the stage”] his presence was enormous. Dressed in what looked like a spacey turtle neck with a drawing of himself, he showed us, that he is by no standard “over the hill”, but rather on the contrary is “still going strong” at 52 years. Superior dance moves, phenomenal guitar soli and incomparable funky falsetto were the keywords I this two hour long show. And when we at the same time were spoiled with near perfect sound quality, it wasn’t at all hard to let loose to “Kiss”, “Controversy” and one of this year’s most magical moments – an ocean of lighters and sing along as “purple Rain” played and the evening was drawn to its conclusion.

Prince’s performance was superior and not a finger could be put to it. But it was unfortunately not enough to make it an absolute success. If it were the sore feet, the sore vocal chords, the hang over’s or a little of everything, it seemed as if the audience sometimes couldn’t keep up with the energy and “go crazy”.

But Prince did what he should: Close [the festival] with magic, energy and hits, all of which could unite the audience and send them home with smiles on their lips and a grand experience richer.

Soundvenue.dk

/ Quick translation.

[Edited 7/5/10 3:56am]

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Reply #37 posted 07/05/10 4:13am

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irreverence said:

Or maybe he just played whatever he wanted, as he always does. I believe in the appropriate use of Ockham's razor.

Yeah, okay. Then he did it because everybody else always does it. And because he wasn't playing to fans.

(Orckham's razor is about plausability and trimming fat and not really about just reducing words in an argument just to make it more readable. You can put Orcham's razor to the relativity theory .. but it won't reduce it to "Because shit happens").

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Reply #38 posted 07/05/10 4:30am

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irreverence said:

thedance said:

Let's Go Crazy
Delirious
1999

Little Red Corvette

I Like funky Music (?)
Controversy
Le Freak
Why U Wanna Treat Me So Bad
Take Me With U (with Sheila E.)
Guitar

Angel (cover Sarah Mclachlan)
Lean On Me (cover Bill Whiters)

Nothing Compares 2 U

Purple Rain

Mountains / Shake Your Body

Kiss

I think this was the full setlist (?)

Well, I was there, and he did play some great funky song after that, with a lot of false endings, and him saying "We can't stop". It was great!

And actually he started off with an instrumental - was it "Venus de Milo" or "Visions"? Anybody?

Anyway: Fantastic show, tight and loose at the same time. Wow, what a musician!

Venus de Milo

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Reply #39 posted 07/05/10 4:57am

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thedance said:

http://borsen.dk/nyheder/...gerne.html

Extremely positive review from borsen.dk: 6 ****** out of 6,

"Prince closed Roskilde with a concert for the historybooks".

Another bad translation:

"Prince closed Roskilde with a concert for the history books".

Prince threw a funky party and showed us with a set of classic hits from the 1980s that one can make the grand area in front of the Orange Stage feel like a little, sweaty club.

That requires a performer who knows his trade, and Prince was at the top of his game in Roskilde. Of course the stakes were higher in Valby Hallen back in 1986, but I don’t recall that he played this well and this superior back then. Neither do I remember that he was funny and ready to play and party with his audience.

Doubt of decline disappeared

All doubt about his [decline disappeared, when Prince entered the purple light and intoned the beginning of “Let’s go Crazy” with his guitar. It sounded almost spot on, almost like in the movie “Purple Rain” and when the rhythm kicked in and the guy smiled, you could only surrender and jump onboard the funky freight train.

Surrounding him were The New Power Generation and with Sheila E among others on percussion.

Prince took both the rhythm guitar and the lead guitar and underlined his unique position in music history as the elegant soul singer who can play guitar like Jimi Hendrix and keep the rhythm boiling. Not unusually at the same time, as in “Guitar” from 2007 – the only song released after 1988 in the entire two hour long show.

Emphasis on the first half of the 1980’s.

The emphasis was on the first half of the 1980’s, and there were more authentic keyboard funk, guitar flirt and long powerful choruses than in any other place on this years Roskilde Festival. From “Delirious” and “1999”, a dynamic “Little Red Corvette” and the immortal falsetto funky “Kiss”.

Back in the 1980’s the young, virile Prince could seem hectic on stage. At the age of 52 he performs with calm and dignity.

He controls the band with small hand gestures, long glances and is in complete control, whether he sings, plays guitar, dances or just blinking. All of it projected on to the giant screens to an audience that instinctively reacted to the star’s winks, hand waves and smiles.

“What are you gonna do now?”, he asked after having been both divinely funky, a guitar frantic like pure gospel sincerity/essence [I think? Some word playing going on here].

“Something fast or slow? Blues, jazz? Oh, so you wanna stay in the church!”, he answered and lifted the concert one level higher with an edition of “Purple Rain”, that'll stand as an entry in The Roskilde Festival’s book of greatest moments in all its 40 years.

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Reply #40 posted 07/05/10 5:41am

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^ thanks,

ekstra bladet - their review is lukewarm though:

http://ekstrabladet.dk/mu...372701.ece

Translation:

A little of this, a little of that, according to Prince.

It’s no secret that the 52 year old Prince was hailed as this years Roskilde Festival’s absolute top name. And the expectations weren’t getting lower after four days of dust where a complete musical redemption for the audience [/could be “where the musical mass tension was released”] was sorely missing. The famous “Roskilde moment” where everything and everyone come together, and become that year’s centre of gravity.

And could this prince, who never became king, then carry this task on his small shoulders? Both yes and no. Before the concert we talked a lot about whether the artist formerly known as Prince and again known as Prince had plans to serve us a parade of hits or if he would play one of his endless jams, of which he have some tendencies. And he did a little of both.

After the obligatory delay – one is a star after all - “Let’s Go Crazy” started, followed by “1999” and “Little Red Corvette”, in loose yet unmistakably funky editions, despite the murky sound in the beginning. But then the private, cosy wank fest started on the stage, where the extremely gifted musicians over indulged in what may have been fun to participate in, but was less than fun to watch. And Prince took plenty of time to show just how good a guitarist he is, but I’ve never actually though of music as a sport, where equilibrism is goal in itself.

A very long edition of “Nothing Compares to You” – mainly sung by the back up singers- was very telling of the weirdly unfocussed concert. Why have the girls sing, when you have Prince himself right there on the stage in all of his low stature?

But there’s justice in saying, that when everything came together, as in “Purple Rain”, it was nothing less than outstanding. There is no doubt that Prince has more talent to be found in his pinkie fingernail than several tour busses of pale indie musicians. It’s rather the editing that’s the trouble, which is for both good and bad a part of the improvisational funk- and jazz-tradition music Prince grew out of. Which also means that Prince yesterday went back and forth between the sublime and the sleep inducing, sometimes all within the same song. We chose to remember the first, sublime, as we go home, but the giant bang we didn’t get.

This'll be the last

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thedance said:

http://ibyen.dk/fokus/ros...010803.ece

I think this review is the best description of what the concert was like out of all the reviews so far. biggrin

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Reply #42 posted 07/05/10 8:14am

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Sheesh, Even with the WYSIWYG editor people STILL can't be arsed to reply properly. Hence the shoddy result of this attempt. For fuck's sake, PRACTICE. Use the buttons.

Cravens said:


Huh? Am I being attacked because of .. erhm .. what?

Or you can not be paranoid and just DUSCUSS. But noooo, it's the "ooh I'm being attacked" bullcrap.


More or less any legacy act on a festival plays the well known hits or favorites.



Oh, so now he's a legacy act? Funny, according to most famz he's still way ahead of the pack, and his latest music is even better than his classics.



And a festival is flooded with Famz? Is those the people he is playing for? Oh, I get it .. you say I'M a fam, right? You're so funny.

No, I'm pointing out that famz claim he's way ahead of the pack. Whereas in reality...

Do i call you a fam anywhere? No. So stop making up shit.



In case Prince had played songs from The Rainbow Children and anything from his NPG Music club days, I think he'd have made people walk out on him. People on festivals might be there to catch Gorillaz, Robyn, Muse and The National (or anybody "current")



All of them playing and promoting their LATEST album.



Yes and no. Every one of those bands played a mixture of old and new. But I don't think Prince can afford to just play the new songs. No one knows them, and many don't like them.

Note how you CONTRADICT YOURSELF: other bands play a MIX, but Prince cannot JUST play the new songs.

If you want to experience Prince trying out new suits and tunes, I think you'd want to go to a concert exclusively dedicated to him.

Like in Paris? Oh wait, no, oldies again. Monaco? Nope, oldies again. 21 Nights? Nope, oldies again. Etcetera etcetera.

Yep, in those concert he ONLY played Purple Rain and Kiss and When Doves Cry. NO other songs were played, especially not song that never were singles or that were song people who only bought the Purple Rain album would know. No no. Not a single note of any other song. Ahah, nope, nono, never.

Average age of the songs played in Monaco: 25+ years. Translation: vast majority of songs played dated back to 1985 and before.

How was I making excuses? I was explaining how big artists on the Orange Stage on Roskilde ALWAYS make their set lists.

Really? No band ever played anything recent?

So when I essentially called Prince playing it safe and sticking to the old formular for festival set lists, like every other artist out there,

Except for the ones that don't.

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Reply #43 posted 07/05/10 8:23am

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Imagine being paid millions to headline a festival and playing just a bunch of new stuff and then purple rain and kiss at the end

Jesus, people would go mad

It would be nice if he pulled out some of the lesser hits rather than Let's Go Crazy for the millionth time but it would also be nice if he wasn't a religious nut who won't play half his hits because he doesn't agree with their lyrics

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Reply #44 posted 07/05/10 8:25am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Sheesh, Even with the WYSIWYG editor people STILL can't be arsed to reply properly. Hence the shoddy result of this attempt. For fuck's sake, PRACTICE. Use the buttons.

Cravens said:


Huh? Am I being attacked because of .. erhm .. what?

Or you can not be paranoid and just DUSCUSS. But noooo, it's the "ooh I'm being attacked" bullcrap.

Really? No band ever played anything recent?

So when I essentially called Prince playing it safe and sticking to the old formular for festival set lists, like every other artist out there,

Except for the ones that don't.

Oh get over yourself. You wanted me to answer for the fams, when saying "fams say something that disagrees with your statement". I'm not responsible for what others think.

You're a waste of time. You pick out things that collate with what you want to read, and ignore any context or intention.

And yes, you're rude and in attack mode and claim that I should read properly, when you fail to read proper yourself. You apparently think I'm somebody, who can answer for what fams think and you also expect me to be a replacement-Prince, who knows anything of his choises; and other than that, you can't see how things can be BOTH a "yes and no" in as much as something can be a mix of things. YOU are the one reading things into my text. A dog barking at anything that moves.

So here's the deal: I'll ignore you, and you'll ignore me .. we don't speak the same language at all. Yeah, sure, you'll want the last word .. whatever.

Back on topic.

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Reply #45 posted 07/05/10 8:25am

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Reply #46 posted 07/05/10 10:55am

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Cravens said:

irreverence said:

Or maybe he just played whatever he wanted, as he always does. I believe in the appropriate use of Ockham's razor.

Yeah, okay. Then he did it because everybody else always does it. And because he wasn't playing to fans.

(Orckham's razor is about plausability and trimming fat and not really about just reducing words in an argument just to make it more readable. You can put Orcham's razor to the relativity theory .. but it won't reduce it to "Because shit happens").

Okay, you're right. I was only trying to make the point that sometimes overanalyzing leeds to conclusions we have no way of checking. It might as well be not "because shit happens", but because he loves those songs these days and wants to play them live.

But hey, we have no way of knowing why, and those speculations made him sound very cynical, whereas the concert was actually for me and many others a great show. Also a great show of musicianship and groove.

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Reply #47 posted 07/05/10 1:39pm

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Back on topic again - the concert itself:

Prince sure wasn't "playing it safe" yesterday. If he had been going for sucking up to the crowd, he wouldn't have let the bald singer sing a boring gospel, when everybody was there to hear him, not her. And he would have kept strictly to his own song catalogue.

Bottom line: He did it his own way, weren't pandering, but had the audience in his grip all the same. for

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Reply #48 posted 07/05/10 5:43pm

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People come to large festival gigs to hear hits and sing-along. Same applied to most (though not all) concerts at the '02.' The rarer stuff was at the Aftershows where Prince knew the more 'hard-core' or 'conversant' listeners were in the audience.

As more loyal listeners we understandably want newer material and more fan-favourites ('The Love We Make', 'The Ladder', Anna Stesia', 'Joy in Repetition' etc) but most of the 60,000 - 70,000 audience would not know the songs. The show would be at a standstill. At the 'O2' hardly any of the bastards knew 'Shhhh.' With 'Lolita' and 'Black Sweat' they were totally lost.

At smaller venues Prince can play what he wants (i.e 'ONA'), in larger venues he simply has to play the hits.

Smaller gigs are good for hard-core fans but are likely not as lucrative. However, I'd happily pay £60 - £75 per ticket for a smaller gig and experience some gems. Conversely, I also like to see Prince in big venues from time-to-time.

Europe never got the 'O2' gigs so arguably, Prince is delivering a similar show to them now. At most 'O2' gigs we had 'Black Sweat', 'Lolita', 'Guitar', 'Satisfied' and 'Musicology' as the more recent songs played.

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Reply #49 posted 07/05/10 6:23pm

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welll done on a great show Prince music

this too shall pass
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Reply #50 posted 07/05/10 10:25pm

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a big thank U to Cravens for the translations....

thumbs up!

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Reply #51 posted 07/06/10 12:26am

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more pics from Roskilde 2010:

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Reply #52 posted 07/06/10 12:35am

Sweething

WoW cool cool cool headbang

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Reply #53 posted 07/06/10 2:26am

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irreverence said:


Okay, you're right. I was only trying to make the point that sometimes overanalyzing leeds to conclusions we have no way of checking. It might as well be not "because shit happens", but because he loves those songs these days and wants to play them live.

But hey, we have no way of knowing why, and those speculations made him sound very cynical, whereas the concert was actually for me and many others a great show. Also a great show of musicianship and groove.

I get you - and I wasn't trying to be cynical, just saying how I've always heard the older acts on Roskilde do this (and I actually think it might be the smartest thing to do for such an act, since they're not playing for fans, but just casual music lovers).

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Reply #54 posted 07/06/10 5:21am

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Cravens said:

irreverence said:


Okay, you're right. I was only trying to make the point that sometimes overanalyzing leeds to conclusions we have no way of checking. It might as well be not "because shit happens", but because he loves those songs these days and wants to play them live.

But hey, we have no way of knowing why, and those speculations made him sound very cynical, whereas the concert was actually for me and many others a great show. Also a great show of musicianship and groove.

I get you - and I wasn't trying to be cynical, just saying how I've always heard the older acts on Roskilde do this (and I actually think it might be the smartest thing to do for such an act, since they're not playing for fans, but just casual music lovers).

True.

Here is another hypothesis:

Prince is actually at the moment totally into his own 1999-sound, just listen to these samples from his upcoming 20TEN album!

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Reply #55 posted 07/06/10 8:13am

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More info on the danish Roskilde Festival TV-Special, saturday 10 @ 20:00-22:30:

gaffa.dk:

http://gaffa.dk/nyhed/41151

In danish,

but.... still no Prince mention.

Hopefully there will be a clip with Prince live, that would be good. beg

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Reply #56 posted 07/06/10 3:57pm

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man.. Shelia E is a ride or die chick

shes been down for the longest

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Reply #57 posted 07/06/10 5:23pm

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^ as a dane, non-english I have no idea what you mean, is it a positive/ or negative comment ???.

Sheile E. >>>>> is - and was - maybe the best Prince drummer ever... worship

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Reply #58 posted 07/06/10 7:00pm

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thedance said:

^ as a dane, non-english I have no idea what you mean, is it a positive/ or negative comment ???.

Sheile E. >>>>> is - and was - maybe the best Prince drummer ever... worship

lol from urban dictionary ....

ride or die chick' refers to someone who (normally a girl, hence the word chick) is down for everything & anything. Basically down for both the bad and the good.

the people in your life who are there through thick in thin. they'll do what it do to make it through with you. the ones that'll stick it through till the end

basically its a positive comment

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Reply #59 posted 07/07/10 2:35am

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haha, thanks Pickles..... wave

I'm glad you are basically positive. About Sheila E. biggrin

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