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Thread started 07/14/10 11:34pm

fambam93

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Good bible verses

I have this crazy goal to read the entire Bible, cover to cover, by the end of the year..I'm just on exodus 20 right now, but I was wondering if anybody knows what verses prince has refered to..or if anyone has any personal favorites..
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Reply #1 posted 07/14/10 11:39pm

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i've been awake for about 5 minutes and am on my first cup of coffee so i can't really remember

anything beyond the "dear mr man" bible reference when he says

"Matthew 5:5 say..the meek shall inherit the earth"

which also pops up in "For the tears in Ur Eyes".

there must be tons more but i don't think he mentions a specific book and verse as such in any

other song. but a lot of his songs have lyrics that are a spin on bible verses or ideas. no just in

the 00s or late 90s but as far back as the early 80s.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #2 posted 07/14/10 11:52pm

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IstenSzek said:

i've been awake for about 5 minutes and am on my first cup of coffee so i can't really remember


anything beyond the "dear mr man" bible reference when he says



"Matthew 5:5 say..the meek shall inherit the earth"



which also pops up in "For the tears in Ur Eyes".



there must be tons more but i don't think he mentions a specific book and verse as such in any


other song. but a lot of his songs have lyrics that are a spin on bible verses or ideas. no just in


the 00s or late 90s but as far back as the early 80s.




thank you..I knew about the Matthew 5:5 reference..the whole sermon on the mount is fantastic..lol..it's almost 2 am here in Minnesota so I can't really think either..thanks for your effort touched hug
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Reply #3 posted 07/14/10 11:55pm

ThreadBare

Like IstenSzek said, Matthew 5:5 gets a repeated look.

By and large, I can't think of many Scriptures that Prince quotes in recognizable form. He'll make contextual allusions -- like to the book of Revelation in "7" on the liner notes and in the lyrics. A lot of the flack that he caught in the 1980s was over his use of Christian references amid a hypersexual image.

For that reason, I'd encourage you to keep Prince's allusions to the Bible in perspective, and to read it on its own, without a Prince context. It's way bigger than Prince, as I'm sure you know.

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Reply #4 posted 07/14/10 11:58pm

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ThreadBare said:

Like IstenSzek said, Matthew 5:5 gets a repeated look.



By and large, I can't think of many Scriptures that Prince quotes in recognizable form. He'll make contextual allusions -- like to the book of Revelation in "7" on the liner notes and in the lyrics. A lot of the flack that he caught in the 1980s was over his use of Christian references amid a hypersexual image.



For that reason, I'd encourage you to keep Prince's allusions to the Bible in perspective, and to read it on its own, without a Prince context. It's way bigger than Prince, as I'm sure you know.


giggle that's a good idea..I guess I can always go back after I've read all 3000-some pages and read a little bit more lol
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Reply #5 posted 07/15/10 12:17am

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Didnt Prince recite the Lords Prayer in one song way back in the early days of his career?????

I think it was in Controversey!!!!!

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Reply #6 posted 07/15/10 12:21am

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ActOfGod319 said:

Didnt Prince recite the Lords Prayer in one song way back in the early days of his career?????



I think it was in Controversey!!!!!


It was the extended version of controversy.. smile
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Reply #7 posted 07/15/10 2:54am

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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Romans 10:17 So then Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

Hebrews 11:6 But without Faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

And Jesus answered them, “Have Faith in God. Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”

Mark 11:22-26

Just a little food for thought.

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Reply #8 posted 07/15/10 2:56am

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screw the Bible. i'm readin the Daily Mirror! reading

this too shall pass
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Reply #9 posted 07/15/10 3:06am

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My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.

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Reply #10 posted 07/15/10 3:09am

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ThreadBare said:

For that reason, I'd encourage you to keep Prince's allusions to the Bible in perspective, and to read it on its own, without a Prince context. It's way bigger than Prince, as I'm sure you know.

mm i agree with this. good advice. the Bible dwarfs Prince, and his interpretations. nod

this too shall pass
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Reply #11 posted 07/15/10 3:13am

Timmy84

Nevermind lol

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Reply #12 posted 07/15/10 5:26am

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I'm almost done reading the Bible for the third time since 2007. It's not crazy at all. The first 5 books can be very hard to read at times, especially when they start giving dimentions of the temple and all the rules for sarifice, but don't give up. It is all very prophetic as to when Jesus comes to the Earth. I, personally, find the New Testament easier to read. My favorite verse is John 8:31-36:

The Children of Abraham

31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

33They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants[a] and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"

34Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Prince used this verse in the song "Beautiful loved and blessed".

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Reply #13 posted 07/15/10 5:40am

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ActOfGod319 said:

Didnt Prince recite the Lords Prayer in one song way back in the early days of his career?????

I think it was in Controversey!!!!!

Matthew 6:9 "The Lord's Prayer."

Matthew 6:25

I love "Behold the Birds of the air, they do not sow, nor do they reap...Yet their Heavenly Father

feeds them.

"Behold the lillies of the field, they do not toil, nor do they spin...

...yet I tell U, even Solomon in all his glory is not arrayed like one of these...

"Therefore I tell U, do not be anxious about Ur life, what U shall eat or what U

shall put on.

"Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?

"Which of U by being anxious about your life can add one cubit to his span of life?"

"If GOD so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown

into the oven, will he not much more clothe U?"

cool

"The Lion Sleeps Tonight...
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Reply #14 posted 07/15/10 7:16am

plopemc

Great topic! And good for you on your goal to read ocver to cover! You have inspired me to get back on my goal of transcribing the New Testament...it sinks in better for me to write it down than to read it. Thanks for the kick start!

I have been giving a good bit of thought lately to the verses Prince has quoted in songs as well as just how many Biblical / religious references are in his work.

The song "Love" on 3121 has a quote from Matthew 12:34 "...from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." In all honesty I discovered this one by accident. It just came up one Sunday in a sermon and I quickly turned to the scripture the preacher referenced and sure enough...there were the lyrics to the song I had been jamming to!

"Muse to the Pharoah" on TRC refers to Proverbs 31:10 the lyric says "if the Proverb of the 31 and verse 10 becomes a song she sings again and again she might be queen." which is the passage about the virtuous woman."An excellent wife who can find? She is far more presious than jewels." ESV

Also the lyric "like a thief in the night..."is a quote from 2Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a theif in the night..."

"Everywhere" on TRC talks about "where the milk and honey flow" is a reference to Exodus 3:8 "...bring them...unto a land flowing with milk and honey: unto the place of the Canaanites..."

Of course the TRC album is filled with religious and Biblical references. I think that "1+1+1=3" is is a declaration that if you want to be the woman (or anyone else for that matter) in Prince's life you have to understand that God is also part of the relationship. "this is how it's gonna be, if you wanna be with me..." and I think that "The Everlasting Now" is an autobiographical tale of his conversion to the JW religion.

I could go on and on with my thoughts on "The Cross", "the Ladder" , "Freaks on this Side" , "The Love We Make", ...so many songs hint at the religious views he holds (or at least is aware of). It seems like many fans place his religious referencing music at the time of his conversion to JW but there were soooo many pre-JW references that aren't as blunt as the themes now seem to be. It appears to me that he has been a long time biblical scholar and in the past placed the references in a more cryptic way that only those in the know would catch. Now his references are much more in your face....and people try to say he has lost his edge...he obviously still has edge or people wouldn't talk about it...the edge has switched from the early days of sex and shock value, which was a turn off to a certain segment, to an edge of God and religion, which is a turn off to another segment....crafty little man...that's why I love him!

BTW not sure which version you are reading but I find the ESV to be an easier read than most. the sentence structures are more current and the translations are more literal in some cases...oh, one of my all time fave verses is Esther 4:14 "...And who knows whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this?" Whenever I am in a weird place trying to figure out what is going on in my life I like to remember this verse and know that things may not be immediately apparent to me but that God has a plan for me and I just need to keep my eyes open looking for what it is he means for me to do.

Thanks for a great reply-worthy topic!!

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Reply #15 posted 07/15/10 8:12am

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thank you for such a great reply to my reply-worthy topic..I never knew about the reference in "love" that's ery interesting. I'm currently on exodus 20 and when I was reading yesterday, I did catch the milk and honey thing..I love the additional verses..I'm reading the new livig translation..the hardest part so far was to read all of the names in genesis, and yes, I read them all. smile once again, thank you for such a fantastic post. :hug:

plopemc said:

Great topic! And good for you on your goal to read ocver to cover! You have inspired me to get back on my goal of transcribing the New Testament...it sinks in better for me to write it down than to read it. Thanks for the kick start!



I have been giving a good bit of thought lately to the verses Prince has quoted in songs as well as just how many Biblical / religious references are in his work.



The song "Love" on 3121 has a quote from Matthew 12:34 "...from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." In all honesty I discovered this one by accident. It just came up one Sunday in a sermon and I quickly turned to the scripture the preacher referenced and sure enough...there were the lyrics to the song I had been jamming to!



"Muse to the Pharoah" on TRC refers to Proverbs 31:10 the lyric says "if the Proverb of the 31 and verse 10 becomes a song she sings again and again she might be queen." which is the passage about the virtuous woman."An excellent wife who can find? She is far more presious than jewels." ESV



Also the lyric "like a thief in the night..."is a quote from 2Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a theif in the night..."



"Everywhere" on TRC talks about "where the milk and honey flow" is a reference to Exodus 3:8 "...bring them...unto a land flowing with milk and honey: unto the place of the Canaanites..."



Of course the TRC album is filled with religious and Biblical references. I think that "1+1+1=3" is is a declaration that if you want to be the woman (or anyone else for that matter) in Prince's life you have to understand that God is also part of the relationship. "this is how it's gonna be, if you wanna be with me..." and I think that "The Everlasting Now" is an autobiographical tale of his conversion to the JW religion.



I could go on and on with my thoughts on "The Cross", "the Ladder" , "Freaks on this Side" , "The Love We Make", ...so many songs hint at the religious views he holds (or at least is aware of). It seems like many fans place his religious referencing music at the time of his conversion to JW but there were soooo many pre-JW references that aren't as blunt as the themes now seem to be. It appears to me that he has been a long time biblical scholar and in the past placed the references in a more cryptic way that only those in the know would catch. Now his references are much more in your face....and people try to say he has lost his edge...he obviously still has edge or people wouldn't talk about it...the edge has switched from the early days of sex and shock value, which was a turn off to a certain segment, to an edge of God and religion, which is a turn off to another segment....crafty little man...that's why I love him!



BTW not sure which version you are reading but I find the ESV to be an easier read than most. the sentence structures are more current and the translations are more literal in some cases...oh, one of my all time fave verses is Esther 4:14 "...And who knows whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this?" Whenever I am in a weird place trying to figure out what is going on in my life I like to remember this verse and know that things may not be immediately apparent to me but that God has a plan for me and I just need to keep my eyes open looking for what it is he means for me to do.



Thanks for a great reply-worthy topic!!

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Reply #17 posted 07/15/10 3:52pm

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fambam93 said:

ActOfGod319 said:

Didnt Prince recite the Lords Prayer in one song way back in the early days of his career?????

I think it was in Controversey!!!!!

It was the extended version of controversy.. smile

Extended? You mean the album version..

Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #18 posted 07/15/10 7:35pm

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Rinluv said:



fambam93 said:


ActOfGod319 said:

Didnt Prince recite the Lords Prayer in one song way back in the early days of his career?????



I think it was in Controversey!!!!!



It was the extended version of controversy.. smile

Extended? You mean the album version..


Perhaps....
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Reply #19 posted 07/15/10 7:42pm

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fambam93 said:

Rinluv said:

Extended? You mean the album version..

Perhaps....

No, I mean there isn't an extended version of Controversy. There's only the album version and the edited down version on the hits album.

Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #20 posted 07/15/10 7:59pm

aliveandfree

The bible is one of the most violent, hateful and graphic pieces of literature out there. And anybody with common sense knows that the judeo-christian bible was is crazy and insane. Peace.

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Reply #21 posted 07/15/10 8:03pm

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Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.

"Not to sound cosmic, but I've made plans for the next 3,000 years," he says. "Before, it was only three days at a time."
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Reply #22 posted 07/15/10 8:04pm

Timmy84

fambam93 said:

Rinluv said:

Extended? You mean the album version..

Perhaps....

There was never an extended version of "Controversy". The full track is on the actual album. You have the "Controversy" album don't you?

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Reply #23 posted 07/15/10 8:07pm

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fambam93 said:

I have this crazy goal to read the entire Bible, cover to cover, by the end of the year..I'm just on exodus 20 right now, but I was wondering if anybody knows what verses prince has refered to..or if anyone has any personal favorites..

That is crazy. Anbody who reads the bible (verbatim) is crazy. I'd rather spend my time making peace and sharing love that is in my heart with the rest of the world. Words are meaningless and don't teach anyone how to love.

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Reply #24 posted 07/15/10 8:07pm

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JesusFreak said:

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.


That is one of my favorites..I have it printed on a small notecard and attached to a necklace..along with Romans 6 or something like that where it says, "the wage of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life."
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Reply #25 posted 07/15/10 8:09pm

Timmy84

I live by this verse in the Bible:

Love your neighbor as you love God.

I also live by this:

How can you hate someone who you have seen and love me who you have not seen.

Other than that, most of what has been written has been altered so much and some stories sound like fables if you actually read the whole thing.

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Reply #26 posted 07/15/10 8:09pm

Timmy84

That being said, though we know Prince is religiously devout now (or maybe he already was from the start but wasn't too open about it then), what does this have to do with him? shrug

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Reply #27 posted 07/15/10 8:10pm

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Timmy84 said:



fambam93 said:


Rinluv said:


Extended? You mean the album version..



Perhaps....

There was never an extended version of "Controversy". The full track is on the actual album. You have the "Controversy" album don't you?


I don't..I wasn't alive then..my father has the dirty mind tape, but that's the only one that I've heard..well the only full version one.
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Reply #28 posted 07/15/10 8:11pm

Timmy84

fambam93 said:

Timmy84 said:

There was never an extended version of "Controversy". The full track is on the actual album. You have the "Controversy" album don't you?

I don't..I wasn't alive then..my father has the dirty mind tape, but that's the only one that I've heard..well the only full version one.

Then you need to get some money together and get some vintage Prince. It'll do ya some good. wink

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Timmy84 said:



fambam93 said:


Timmy84 said:


There was never an extended version of "Controversy". The full track is on the actual album. You have the "Controversy" album don't you?



I don't..I wasn't alive then..my father has the dirty mind tape, but that's the only one that I've heard..well the only full version one.

Then you need to get some money together and get some vintage Prince. It'll do ya some good. wink


I have tons of the old stuff on my iPod, I just don't have enough money to buy every single thing out there..
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