chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

1. Is there really a huge difference in quality from Musicology to 3121 to Planet Earth to Lotusflow3r to MPLSound?

2. There are great songs/new Prince classics on all of these albums. Seems to me even the oldest school Prince fan could find some gems to love.

skywalker said:

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

1. Is there really a huge difference in quality from Musicology to 3121 to Planet Earth to Lotusflow3r to MPLSound?

2. There are great songs/new Prince classics on all of these albums. Seems to me even the oldest school Prince fan could find some gems to love.

Over 40 songs on the records you mentioned.

How many does he perform live? I would hesitate to call any of them "new Prince classics" when he doesn't even perform them live.

Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

1. Is there really a huge difference in quality from Musicology to 3121 to Planet Earth to Lotusflow3r to MPLSound?

2. There are great songs/new Prince classics on all of these albums. Seems to me even the oldest school Prince fan could find some gems to love.

Over 40 songs on the records you mentioned.

How many does he perform live? I would hesitate to call any of them "new Prince classics" when he doesn't even perform them live.

And there you have it. Live and on a consistent basis. Not many of them AT ALL!

The more I see posts from you, vitriol, Bart, and Wall (where are ya, Wall??), the more I love ya. You've been sying shit I've been saying for years! Can we help it if we don't suck up shit and pretend it's good or the greatest thing since sliced bread just because it came from a cook that used to blaze/throw down in the kitchen? Oh hell naw!

bullshit

Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

1. Is there really a huge difference in quality from Musicology to 3121 to Planet Earth to Lotusflow3r to MPLSound?

2. There are great songs/new Prince classics on all of these albums. Seems to me even the oldest school Prince fan could find some gems to love.

Over 40 songs on the records you mentioned.

How many does he perform live? I would hesitate to call any of them "new Prince classics" when he doesn't even perform them live.

Is Prince playing a song live a requirement for a "classic song"? When did he last play "When Doves Cry" live? Probably at the same 02 shows he played "Musicology", "Black Sweat", "3121", "Planet Earth" and "The One U wanna C" live. Last time I saw Prince in concert (fall of 2009) he played several tracks from the Lotusflow3r album(s).

Still, my question remains...does Prince playing a song live consistently qualify it as a "classic"? He hasn't played "Soft and Wet" or "America" in ages....

okay so Purple and Gold totally sounds like my high school song, which is like the corniest, godawfulest song ever to make a young child try to sing, OMG scarred for life...and I can totally see Prince with that little half smirk on his face saying, can I write a song that sucks just as bad as those old high school/college songs.

Mission accomplished!

Made me chuckle

skywalker said:

2. There are great songs/new Prince classics on all of these albums. Seems to me even the oldest school Prince fan could find some gems to love.

Right said, Anakin.

And this is why we still hang around the org from time to time.

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

Well, if that's how you really feel... Then quit buying, listening, and complaining about P's stuff! Maybe you'll feel better, feel wonderful, feel good!

[Edited 6/29/10 18:53pm]

skywalker said:

Spinlight said:

Over 40 songs on the records you mentioned.

How many does he perform live? I would hesitate to call any of them "new Prince classics" when he doesn't even perform them live.

Is Prince playing a song live a requirement for a "classic song"? When did he last play "When Doves Cry" live? Probably at the same 02 shows he played "Musicology", "Black Sweat", "3121", "Planet Earth" and "The One U wanna C" live. Last time I saw Prince in concert (fall of 2009) he played several tracks from the Lotusflow3r album(s).

Still, my question remains...does Prince playing a song live consistently qualify it as a "classic"? He hasn't played "Soft and Wet" or "America" in ages....

Judging by your logic, Old Skool Company and Dance 4 Me are new Prince classics.

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

What you need: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...chotherapy

Sorry dude

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

Prince also wrote a song called "Goodbye"

I don't even remember what Cause & Effect sounds like.

I can't get Purple & Gold out of my head. It's like seeing holocaust photographs and being scarred for life.

I remember liking "Hot Summer" and thinking it was a perfect summer single, but admittedly not thinking it was anything 'special'. It's in the category of some 3121 songs like "Fury" or "Love". Good single choices, but not stellar. Honestly, I don't remember what "Hot Summer" sounds like now.

I'm kind of perplexed (though not surprised) that Prince released these songs to radio but they were not intended to be on a forthcoming album.

.

[Edited 6/29/10 19:04pm]

Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

Is Prince playing a song live a requirement for a "classic song"? When did he last play "When Doves Cry" live? Probably at the same 02 shows he played "Musicology", "Black Sweat", "3121", "Planet Earth" and "The One U wanna C" live. Last time I saw Prince in concert (fall of 2009) he played several tracks from the Lotusflow3r album(s).

Still, my question remains...does Prince playing a song live consistently qualify it as a "classic"? He hasn't played "Soft and Wet" or "America" in ages....

Judging by your logic, Old Skool Company and Dance 4 Me are new Prince classics.

My logic? Really? "Classics = Songs Prince plays live" was your flawed logic:

Spinlight said:

Over 40 songs on the records you mentioned.

How many does he perform live? I would hesitate to call any of them "new Prince classics" when he doesn't even perform them live.

Or did you forget what you typed? I disagreed with your notion from the start and questioned you on it.

[Edited 6/29/10 19:46pm]

skywalker said:

Or did you forget what you typed? I disagreed with your notion from the start and questioned you on it.

I apologize. I wasn't aware you were going to take me at my word with clinical precision.

Okay.

Why is this the 2nd time in 24 hours I've had to define a word for someone??

http://www.merriam-webste...ct/classic

"New Prince classics" is stretching it considering these songs have been played a handful of times, if that, and are not well known songs at all outside of Prince's hardcore fanbase.

Spinlight said:

"New Prince classics" is stretching it considering these songs have been played a handful of times, if that, and are not well known songs at all outside of Prince's hardcore fanbase.

Let's be honest:

Many Prince songs fans have deemed as "classics" aren't well known outside of the fanbase. An example of this would be "All the Critics Love you in New York". To me, that song is a classic---Prince plays it a lot, but it not well known by those outside of the fan base.

You are suggesting that the amount Prince plays a song live on a consistent basis, somehow relates to how "classic" a song is, or can be. To an extent that may be true..but as I asked before...how many times has Prince ever played "Soft and Wet" live? That song is without a doubt a classic, yet Prince rarely touches it. Meanwhile a song like "Musicology" has damn near become a live staple. He has played it frequently since 2004.

I realize it might be a stretch because because "new" by definition often cannot be "classic". That said I still think much of Prince's newer work has great songs that any Prince fan could love. I think if "Dance 4 me" were released in 1987 everyone would hold it up universally as "great".

Bottom line: Since 1985, at least, some fans have been dissing "new Prince" and yearning for "old Prince". I think that, even if you don't like every song he makes, that Prince still puts out a lot of great stuff.

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Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

Is Prince playing a song live a requirement for a "classic song"? When did he last play "When Doves Cry" live? Probably at the same 02 shows he played "Musicology", "Black Sweat", "3121", "Planet Earth" and "The One U wanna C" live. Last time I saw Prince in concert (fall of 2009) he played several tracks from the Lotusflow3r album(s).

Still, my question remains...does Prince playing a song live consistently qualify it as a "classic"? He hasn't played "Soft and Wet" or "America" in ages....

Judging by your logic, Old Skool Company and Dance 4 Me are new Prince classics.

That was your logic, not his.

A Prince concert lasts about 2 hours, that's time for some of hte latest music and some of the prior hits. Does a song have to be a hit to be a prince classic? When's the last time he performed Erotic City live? It wasn't a hit, it wasn't even an album track, it's certainly a prince classic. As is "she's always in my hair".

Lotusflow3r (the one disc with that name) was an outstanding album. Dreamer and Colonized Mind are certainly prince classics off of that album.

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold"

"Hot Summer"

i admit i listened to the above-mentioned songs once, and was not motivated to listen to any of them a second time.

but i'm still interested to hear the new album.

alandail said:

Spinlight said:

Judging by your logic, Old Skool Company and Dance 4 Me are new Prince classics.

That was your logic, not his.

A Prince concert lasts about 2 hours, that's time for some of hte latest music and some of the prior hits. Does a song have to be a hit to be a prince classic? When's the last time he performed Erotic City live? It wasn't a hit, it wasn't even an album track, it's certainly a prince classic. As is "she's always in my hair".

Lotusflow3r (the one disc with that name) was an outstanding album. Dreamer and Colonized Mind are certainly prince classics off of that album.

He doesn't perform Erotic City live because it goes against his JW beliefs. For that matter, She's Always In My Hair may also with its references to being a gigolo and such.

Dreamer and Colonized Mind are not classics. They are barely a year old. Stop trippin.

Spinlight said:

alandail said:

That was your logic, not his.

A Prince concert lasts about 2 hours, that's time for some of hte latest music and some of the prior hits. Does a song have to be a hit to be a prince classic? When's the last time he performed Erotic City live? It wasn't a hit, it wasn't even an album track, it's certainly a prince classic. As is "she's always in my hair".

Lotusflow3r (the one disc with that name) was an outstanding album. Dreamer and Colonized Mind are certainly prince classics off of that album.

He doesn't perform Erotic City live because it goes against his JW beliefs. For that matter, She's Always In My Hair may also with its references to being a gigolo and such.

Dreamer and Colonized Mind are not classics. They are barely a year old. Stop trippin.

He has played "She's Always in My Hair" since becoming a Jehovah's Witness. During the Rave New Years special/pay per view and during the Hit N' Run tour of 2000.

Also, a song can be a classic and less than a year old. Come on now.

skywalker said:

Spinlight said:

He doesn't perform Erotic City live because it goes against his JW beliefs. For that matter, She's Always In My Hair may also with its references to being a gigolo and such.

Dreamer and Colonized Mind are not classics. They are barely a year old. Stop trippin.

He has played "She's Always in My Hair" since becoming a Jehovah's Witness. During the Rave New Years special/pay per view and during the Hit N' Run tour of 2000.

Also, a song can be a classic and less than a year old. Come on now.

My mistake about She's Always In My Hair, then. I forgot about that Rave performance.

And less than a year old goes directly against the definition of classic.

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

For the record, if you only listen to a Prince song once, 9 times out of 10 it will go right over your head. Every one of his albums has demanded multiple listenings for me to appreciate it. (Case in point, I did not like Dirty Mind or Sign o the Times on first listen).

Also, while two out of the three songs you mentioned are, in fact, quite bad, Cause & Effect is a cool song.

And, though PE and MPLS are also quite shite, Lotusflower and 3121 are both very good.

So to say he cannot write anything worthwhile is, in fact, not quite true.

=0P

PS. Shudder. Not Shutter.

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

This thread is horseshit,

'Prince CANNOT write ANYTHING new worth listening to more than once.' fuck right off

Hero0101 said:

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shutter) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

For the record, if you only listen to a Prince song once, 9 times out of 10 it will go right over your head. Every one of his albums has demanded multiple listenings for me to appreciate it. (Case in point, I did not like Dirty Mind or Sign o the Times on first listen).

Also, while two out of the three songs you mentioned are, in fact, quite bad, Cause & Effect is a cool song.

And, though PE and MPLS are also quite shite, Lotusflower and 3121 are both very good.

So to say he cannot write anything worthwhile is, in fact, not quite true.

=0P

PS. Shudder. Not Shutter.

He might want to hyper focus on his melodies and lingering hooks then.. cause half the time with his recent music i can barely get through his music.. they linger and if (big if) they are tight hooks the emphesis on the melody is too strong... over production values do this.. if he'd strip it down a little they would be a little more inviting.

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chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shudder) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

[Edited 6/30/10 9:02am]

Prince hasn't had a memorable hit in almost 20 years. That's not to say he hasn't produced some great songs, but the average music fan probably couldn't name a Prince hit since 1993. Of course, much of that has to do with him going solo from WB.

While I haven't liked anything he's put out SO FAR in 2010, I still look forward to every song or album with much excitement because hey, if he stopped recording tomorrow, the world would be lacking a certain hue, and the REAL HATERS would have no reason to hang around the org! This coming from someone who is still a little sore over lotusflow3r.com

Spinlight said:

skywalker said:

Or did you forget what you typed? I disagreed with your notion from the start and questioned you on it.

I apologize. I wasn't aware you were going to take me at my word with clinical precision.

Okay.

Why is this the 2nd time in 24 hours I've had to define a word for someone??

http://www.merriam-webste...ct/classic

Main Entry: ¹clas·sic

Pronunciation: \ˈkla-sik\

Function: adjective

Etymology: French or Latin; French classique, from Latin classicus of the highest class of Roman citizens, of the first rank, from classis

Date: circa 1604

1 a : serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value <classic literary works> b : traditional, enduring <classic designs> c : characterized by simple tailored lines in fashion year after year <a classic suit>
2 : of or relating to the ancient Greeks and Romans or their culture : classical
3 a : historically memorable <a classic battle> b : noted because of special literary or historical associations <Paris is the classic refuge of expatriates>
4 a : authentic, authoritative b : typical <a classic example of chicanery> <a classic error>
5 capitalized : of or relating to the period of highest development of Mesoamerican and especially Mayan culture about a.d. 300–900

"New Prince classics" is stretching it considering these songs have been played a handful of times, if that, and are not well known songs at all outside of Prince's hardcore fanbase.

TheRIP said:

Prince hasn't had a memorable hit in almost 20 years. That's not to say he hasn't produced some great songs, but the average music fan probably couldn't name a Prince hit since 1993. Of course, much of that has to do with him going solo from WB.

paisleypark4 said:

I have heard "Musicology" and Old Skool Company done more times than I have ever heard "Lady Cab Driver" " or "Computer Blue" live

And that's a damn shame. A travesty actually.

chookalana said:

Recent examples:

"Cause and Effect"

"Purple and Gold" (shudder) - maybe the worst song ever recorded BY ANYONE

"Hot Summer"

He ruined "In A Large Room With No Light"

Be honest, there's no way you would like these three songs if they were recorded by anyone else. THEY SUCK. Period.

By the way..... "Planet Earth" and "MPLSound" are shit. I bought them, but I should have known better.

[Edited 6/30/10 9:02am]

I would have 2 agree with U on this....

I personaly don't believe he even has such a vast backlog of

music in his "Vault"....

We are being nothin but hood winked and bamboozled by him of late.