Previously I stated this:

"I also recall Alan Freed reporting in Impact Magazine that on his tour in the Pasily Park Vault he seen a song with a title written on the tape "Hot Summer" intended for the Time."

Here (4/10/10): http://prince.org/msg/7/334175

Who knows, maybe Prince read the thread, and pulled it out of the vault and reworked it?

Perhaps some insiders (Boris?) can give us more details and history on this song?

As I was reading the Hot Summer thread, "After High School" came on my ipod and I did think that that was another simple Prince song musically and lyrically speaking. Would that have caused so much polarisation. Hard to tell cos we view those Time songs with the old retro nostalgia-tinted specs.

You never know I guess, maybe Hot Summer was an old Time intended track...

http://prince.org/msg/7/337813

Morris had a lucky escape.

NouveauDance said:

Morris had a lucky escape.

KeithyT said:

NouveauDance said:

Morris had a lucky escape.

In my head I just did the Morris squawk laugh

AHAW!!!!

It sounds like seomthing for Vanity too like a girl group song. But it's also like Shake.

ufoclub said:

It sounds like seomthing for Vanity too like a girl group song. But it's also like Shake.

Interesting.

http://prince.org/msg/7/334175

List of known unreleased recordings Prince has done with other artists

I am not sure if this exist. But I was wondering if someone hhas collected a list of sessions and song titles for other artist Prince has worked with (The Vault?). I recall Prince working with Bonnie Riatt and they recorded 4 or 6 songs right before her hit album and song (re. Something to Talk about).

I also recall Alan Freed reporting in Impact Magazine that on his tour in the Pasily Park Vault he seen a song with a title written on the tape "HotSummer" intended for the Time.

I am not sure if any of these songs were later reworked and became something else. But it would be interesting for us to gather a list. We can refer to a source of information, like a publication or ?

Honestly, some of the unreleased recordings that we have now, may end up being the only ones in existence. Does Prince even know what he has?

Why doesn't he make available a full complete list of songs he has? Or does he really have alot now?

Reminder, this thread is about the history of Hot Summer. Boris or anyone else thoughts or knowledge about this track?

I think the Impact article appeared in the early 90's prior to 1995. So Hot Summer is at least 15 years old.

[Edited 6/8/10 14:00pm]

NouveauDance said:

I can't for the life of me see Morris and The Time performing this bland childish throwaway.

There was one song called 'Girl' for The Time and one Prince song called 'Girl' which were completely different compositions.

Maybe he wrote a track for The Time with that title 15 years ago but I don't see why it has to be the same track.

Maybe he just re-used the title.

Things are really getting bad if he's dusted off 15 year old lackluster songs!

I could find no prior reference to "Hot Summer" being a song that Prince wrote in an earlier time...either for himself or The Time, including Per Nilsen resources.

It sounds too crappy to sound like something old. Its a new track, he rarely pulls out outtakes and redos them.

poetcorner61 said:

I could find no prior reference to "Hot Summer" being a song that Prince wrote in an earlier time...either for himself or The Time, including Per Nilsen resources.

There are many undocumented songs Per never wrote about. I have attempted to ad songs like Hot Summer (see link at the begining) and they were ignored.

I am sure Boris has a list as well.

Fact: All unreleased Prince songs are not documented by the Prince fan community.

muskiediver said:

poetcorner61 said:

I could find no prior reference to "Hot Summer" being a song that Prince wrote in an earlier time...either for himself or The Time, including Per Nilsen resources.

There are many undocumented songs Per never wrote about. I have attempted to ad songs like Hot Summer (see link at the begining) and they were ignored.

I am sure Boris has a list as well.

Fact: All unreleased Prince songs are not documented by the Prince fan community.

This is most certainly a fact and I would never pretend to have any knowledge that I don't on this subject. Could you please tell me where you got this information and why Boris is a good source for such an undocumented subject? Just for the education of us who don't know...

Per Nilsen missed a lot of stuff! There are so many songs that are not in our knowledge. And so many details to his professional activities. I've been witness to so many aftershows and afterparties and find that documentation of those night or days is probably about 25% correct and missing many details. This song does sound like a revamp of an old Vanity 6 song which might have translated to an experiment in giving the Time a beach pop sound like Shake.

poetcorner61 said:

muskiediver said:

There are many undocumented songs Per never wrote about. I have attempted to ad songs like Hot Summer (see link at the begining) and they were ignored.

I am sure Boris has a list as well.

Fact: All unreleased Prince songs are not documented by the Prince fan community.

This is most certainly a fact and I would never pretend to have any knowledge that I don't on this subject. Could you please tell me where you got this information and why Boris is a good source for such an undocumented subject? Just for the education of us who don't know...

yes, i really wanna know this too!

PicklesMcMillan said:

poetcorner61 said:

This is most certainly a fact and I would never pretend to have any knowledge that I don't on this subject. Could you please tell me where you got this information and why Boris is a good source for such an undocumented subject? Just for the education of us who don't know...

yes, i really wanna know this too!

Boris is just good people who have documented a lot of information. We don't know much about him other that he knows a lot about unreleased music. And prefer to keep it that was because he is such a great source. Lets not ask too many questions on this one. Just do a search and you will see what I mean.

muskiediver said:

PicklesMcMillan said:

yes, i really wanna know this too!

Boris is just good people who have documented a lot of information. We don't know much about him other that he knows a lot about unreleased music. And prefer to keep it that was because he is such a great source. Lets not ask too many questions on this one. Just do a search and you will see what I mean.

I'm not gonna look up Boris because I can't find any info anyway--which is smart of him. If you get any info from Boris--please share it! Thanks!

ernestsewell said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/337813

I dont mean to be a debby downer..(im a dude anyways) but im a lil shocked to see ernest with a FB page glorifying Prince, after all the crap he writes here and the negativity he's thrown Prince's way...im not opposed..just shocked at the hypocrisy and irony. is someone jumping on the Prince bandwagon this "hot summer"?

lotusboy said:

ernestsewell said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/337813

I dont mean to be a debby downer..(im a dude anyways) but im a lil shocked to see ernest with a FB page glorifying Prince, after all the crap he writes here and the negativity he's thrown Prince's way...im not opposed..just shocked at the hypocrisy and irony. is someone jumping on the Prince bandwagon this "hot summer"?

To be fair to ernest he is pretty open about loving most Prince music and his genius (I'm guessing he might mainly lean towards Prince's 70s and 80s output here) so I don't think he is a hypocrite.

Perceived money-grabbing web ventures, unfulfilled "promises", fammy fams, general stupidity, and the last 3 tracks released to radio will be the main focus of ernest's wrath. Anyhoo I probably should not have answered for him. I'm sure he will respond to you in his own unique way...

[Edited 6/9/10 2:57am]

lotusboy said:

ernestsewell said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/337813

I dont mean to be a debby downer..(im a dude anyways) but im a lil shocked to see ernest with a FB page glorifying Prince, after all the crap he writes here and the negativity he's thrown Prince's way...im not opposed..just shocked at the hypocrisy and irony. is someone jumping on the Prince bandwagon this "hot summer"?

If you dislike the guy bad enough to hijack a thread and namecall him, why would you bother to look him up on FB?

Anyway, back to the thread...

If this is a Time outtake... apart from the organ work lifted from 'Shake', it just doesn't sound like their sort of stuff lyrically. Can anyone else hear Morris singing this? Still, this is Prince world, stranger things have happened.

There is no doubt in my mind this song was meant for The Time. Anyone who says this does not sound 80'ish is a youngster

I would guesstimate thsi song was written and partially record circa 1981. Here is why:

Elements of Ice Cream Castles (the way it's sung), Shake (keyboards) & When you were Mine (guitar). Guitar playing reminiscent of something from the Controversy/ 1999 period. I would appraise and date this song as a 1981 era song. Almost 30 years old! Older than some of you who don't think it's from the 80's LOL. JK.

This could be background music for an Old Navy Commercial! Can see the people lip syncing the Hot Summer part. LOL.

if ir an old time outtake, it's pretty funny. A lot of people here are so biased against his new music and want to run it down as not as good as his older stuff that had he never released the Sing O the Times album previously and released it today, it'd be ripped relentlessly as not as good as his prior stuff. Swap the release of Sign O The Times with Lotusflow3r (the one CD by that name) and the outstanding Lotus would be considered a prince classic.

So it's pretty funny to learn after the same sort of people ripped Hot Summer with the same absurd comments that Prince has lost his touch that Hot Summer was actually written back in the day.

I have no doubt that Hot Summer would be a hit back when Prince used to get airplay and had WB promoting his releases. Can it be a hit today? Who knows, radio is just the strangest thing. Prince is not the first artist who finds himself unable to get significant airplay no matter what he releases. Once radio decided to stop playing your new music for whatever reason, it's incredibly hard to get them to even give it a shot. That's completely independent of how good the music is.

The most extreme example I can think of is the Bee Gees. In 1979 anything they released and anything that sounded remotely like them went to the top of the charts. But in 1987, they released "You Win Again", a song that was as good as anything they ever did, and a song that topped the charts everywhere it got airplay, including a few US cities and including international awards as the most played song of the year. But nationally program directors refused to even play it once.

btw: can someone PM me the email address for Alan Freed? I used to talk to him all of the time back in the alt.music.prince days.

[Edited 6/9/10 6:19am]

alandail said:

if ir an old time outtake, it's pretty funny. A lot of people here are so biased against his new music and want to run it down as not as good as his older stuff that had he never released the Sing O the Times album previously and released it today, it'd be ripped relentlessly as not as good as his prior stuff. Swap the release of Sign O The Times with Lotusflow3r (the one CD by that name) and the outstanding Lotus would be considered a prince classic.

So it's pretty funny to learn after the same sort of people ripped Hot Summer with the same absurd comments that Prince has lost his touch that Hot Summer was actually written back in the day.

I have no doubt that Hot Summer would be a hit back when Prince used to get airplay and had WB promoting his releases. Can it be a hit today? Who knows, radio is just the strangest thing. Prince is not the first artist who finds himself unable to get significant airplay no matter what he releases. Once radio decided to stop playing your new music for whatever reason, it's incredibly hard to get them to even give it a shot. That's completely independent of how good the music is.

The most extreme example I can think of is the Bee Gees. In 1979 anything they released and anything that sounded remotely like them went to the top of the charts. But in 1987, they released "You Win Again", a song that was as good as anything they ever did, and a song that topped the charts everywhere it got airplay, including a few US cities and including international awards as the most played song of the year. But nationally program directors refused to even play it once.

btw: can someone PM me the email address for Alan Freed? I used to talk to him all of the time back in the alt.music.prince days.

[Edited 6/9/10 6:19am]

it's probably down to pay to play aswell, who knows what goes with record companioes and radio these days, Prince ain't never going to pay to have his records played on radio, unless he went with a major again, like he did with 3121 and musicology.

alandail said:

if ir an old time outtake, it's pretty funny. A lot of people here are so biased against his new music and want to run it down as not as good as his older stuff that had he never released the Sing O the Times album previously and released it today, it'd be ripped relentlessly as not as good as his prior stuff. Swap the release of Sign O The Times with Lotusflow3r (the one CD by that name) and the outstanding Lotus would be considered a prince classic.

So it's pretty funny to learn after the same sort of people ripped Hot Summer with the same absurd comments that Prince has lost his touch that Hot Summer was actually written back in the day.

I have no doubt that Hot Summer would be a hit back when Prince used to get airplay and had WB promoting his releases. Can it be a hit today? Who knows, radio is just the strangest thing. Prince is not the first artist who finds himself unable to get significant airplay no matter what he releases. Once radio decided to stop playing your new music for whatever reason, it's incredibly hard to get them to even give it a shot. That's completely independent of how good the music is.

It's shit. It wouldn't matter if it was written in 1984, 1994, 2004 or whenever, it's stil S.H.I.T.

ufoclub said:

Per Nilsen missed a lot of stuff! There are so many songs that are not in our knowledge. And so many details to his professional activities. I've been witness to so many aftershows and afterparties and find that documentation of those night or days is probably about 25% correct and missing many details. This song does sound like a revamp of an old Vanity 6 song which might have translated to an experiment in giving the Time a beach pop sound like Shake.

Exactly...little did we know before Crystal Ball was relased song like "Cloreen Bacon Skin" "Goodbye" "Make Your Mama Happy" even exsisted.