The juror in question has been disqualified under the "no cosmic talk" rule... Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Why can't anyone understand me i though at least if you come to a Prince site they would..
Don't tell that am that way out:lol: | |
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I'm actually enjoying the input by 'Alamine" and "onthereal" to be quite honest.. | |
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Ok we have been doing this for sometime now i'm confuse and then we have the fall out chair with the laughter going and the people wth the cliffhangers going on what would you expect. and the fall out let me say this ... PRINCE FANS YOU ARE SOME OF THE MOST I CAN'T SAY ONTHEREAL SINCE MY BRAIN HAS BEEN PUT THROUGH PRESSURE .
Onthereal i was saying that when you love god sometimes you want everyone to know and sometimes people don't want to . because maybe they don't believe. So sometimes when you first began to know him you started acting like everyone should know him. (god).
You know if i talk cosmic you all are really going to laugh mmm.
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But didn't the issue regard how the women/people in Prince's videos were not Black at all back then? Spike didn't like how Black people couldn't look at Prince's productions and see themselves. Or, if we did, it was in some stupid/wanna-be comical context. And in terms of women specifically, even though Spike is most likely color-struck with women he chooses to date/marry too (as most Black men are in Hollywood ), I think he would turn around and retort: "My wife is light, but she's still Black. And look at the dozens of glamorized/glorified Black women who starred in my films. Can Prince say that?" So technically, Spike hasn't done the same thing as Prince.
Also, you never know what Spike's agenda was for calling Prince in the first place. With his type of mind, Spike could have been thinking: "He owes us....Give him a call." "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Hey, wait a minute -- how'd I get to be a witness for Prince's defense?
Maybe I should make cracks about the wigs and heels. At least then I'll be made a hostile witness.
Seriously, Prince has been unapologetically black for as long as I can remember. If brothas' "authenticity" is getting called into question for finding white women fine along with all other women, I'm saying, it's gonna be a long line. And, I'll be in it.
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LOL, naaaaw bro... you got yourself into this with one short and sweet statement,
Not that it's in itself a litmus test, but at what arguably was the height of his domestic popularity, Prince contributed enough to warrant a special shout-out (in "Purple Rain" font and all) at the end of the King Holiday tribute video. Maybe some specifics about this alleged self-hate will clear up our confusion...
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Owes what and to whom? How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike has contradicted himself. [Edited 6/13/10 15:09pm] | |
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This is crazzzzzzzzzzy are you black? | |
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I was making a jokey joke about the disqualifying part, but it is kind of difficult to understand your posts. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Hold on, let me see if I can read it back and decifer what it says.
Nah! I've got nothing. I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Yes, I am, why? [Edited 6/13/10 15:25pm] | |
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No, no, no. I asked a question to consider the allegation. If anything, I'm on the grand jury.
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Aw hell...now we have to take a recess, Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Ha! You were clearly advocating on behalf of brotha-man P...my ruling stands.
Don't worry...we should be able to get you into the Purple Paisley Princey Witness Protection Program right away, Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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In the 80's the rap group's were basicly doing concert footage and yeah in the background you would see a lot of blacks women and men there. In the late 80's you could see a more lighter Complexion and other thing you have no arguement here because my family are of mixxed race so it's no problem here but getting back to Spike . Why because African American comes in all colors. ths scene in spike's lee's Bamboozled was saying that every corner in the black neighborhood has a liquor store. That the black communtity at the time had no other outlets but getting high or drunk. And how does Prince in this. Well like i said i want the best for everyone so color should not matter.
Please ... Throw something else
Remeber you didn't look out for the edited I want Prince to be with whom every he wants to be with all colors..
Because with me i'm very kind and forgiven and i'm black and love being black
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It sounds like jibber jabber, I can't figure out what in the world you're talking about. [Edited 6/13/10 15:49pm] | |
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I think it's a typo. I mean...surely he was talking about botox. Look at his damn forehead - Tiger Woods could putt on that thing, it's so smooth. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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zelijah i'm having fun with you all... messing up words acting like i don't know nothing. [Edited 6/13/10 16:31pm] | |
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It all means something. Prince writes before engaging in fatherhood we should all know what the Creator expects from us but if it's "ever so fascinating" wouldn't he tell fathers what he knows? Why bring it up then leave us wondering? Prince is lost in my opinion and he's not even a father, or is he? Getting personal again but he wrote it out to be up for discussion. Does anyone know what he was talking about as far as fatherhood? A good lamp is the best police. *Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
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No.
No, no and no.
Seriously?
No and no.
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Seriously? I could answer that question with MAJOR examples, but I'm not going to. This is about Prince, who had none, until he became a slave and hired Nona for a video no one knows about ("Love Sign").
And to "owe" is just a figure of speech referring to all the thousands of Black people who were fans of and supported this man but couldn't get a role in his videos/movies unless they were implicitly or explicitly made fun of or cast back in some way. Excluding Morris Day who could be classified as an actual comedian and Monte Moir who doesn't ever speak, The Time became stereotypical (male chauvinistic) clowns. Mark Brown didn't get one line in "Purple Rain." Jerome Benton, another clown character, in UTCM. The one woman Prince runs away from in terror in UTCM was Black. Cat was displayed as a desparate girl on some stimulant-drug who could never get what she wanted. T.C. Ellis, Robin Power, and Tony M. were more ludicrous clowns, and even worse, untalented ones, whose only point was to show Prince's disrespect for Hip-Hop (before he pathetically tried to become a part of the genre, with MORE Black jokes as the imagery). All other Black folks were cast in the back and unseen or shown for a second (choirs, the two excellent back-up singers, musicians). You don't think Spike Lee, of all people, was aware of that? Besides, that quote was just my own conjecture. Spike probably didn't even think that, but I wouldn't put it past him....
I've discussed this several times in these types of threads, and people still find ways to defend him. No, Prince doesn't have to "prove" anything, so, he should just stick to his usual racially-ambiguous imagery, and cease using his "color" as the reason why people in "the industry" do him wrong. He wasn't thinking about being fair to anyone who was not his "color," so why is he complaining? I can't appreciate when he starts preaching "Blackness" out of the blue, 'cause the only times he's shown that in the past was when he was making jokes or when he needed something to help his career. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Overall I though it was an interesting and yet perplexing article...... got Prince? | |
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I'll be honest with you, UTCM in my opinion, was not one of my favorite movies, because that movie was just too minstrel for me, and I've mentioned that before in another thread. So I can't disagree with you on some of the roles played in that movie. I just found it quite silly and minstrel. It does make one question why some of the actors/artists agreed to take the roles they did, which in my opinion, helped to contribute to the stereotypical images. Of course the first answer would be because they wanted to "get paid", but at the same time, contributing to the stereotypical sh*t doesn't quite help with positive images and progress, it just feeds it.
I 'm well aware that Spike Lee saw the problem, and he did have every right to question it, as there were other artists doing the same exact thing, but then I can't help but also question Spike for pointing fingers at others, while he turns around and do the same thing he complained about. It's quite obvious you have much respect for Spike Lee given the tone of your post, and I can truly respect that. I appreciate both Spike and Prince and don't see neither as perfect human beings, but just like some folks are questionable about some of things Prince did and allowed to happen in the past, I'm questionable about others that sort of played into that along the way as well. Even if we may not agree on all that's said, I still appreciate and respect your input.
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Seriously? I could answer that question with MAJOR examples, but I'm not going to. This is about Prince, who had none, until he became a slave and hired Nona for a video no one knows about ("Love Sign").
And to "owe" is just a figure of speech referring to all the thousands of Black people who were fans of and supported this man but couldn't get a role in his videos/movies unless they were implicitly or explicitly made fun of or cast back in some way. Excluding Morris Day who could be classified as an actual comedian and Monte Moir who doesn't ever speak, The Time became stereotypical (male chauvinistic) clowns. Mark Brown didn't get one line in "Purple Rain." Jerome Benton, another clown character, in UTCM. The one woman Prince runs away from in terror in UTCM was Black. Cat was displayed as a desparate girl on some stimulant-drug who could never get what she wanted. T.C. Ellis, Robin Power, and Tony M. were more ludicrous clowns, and even worse, untalented ones, whose only point was to show Prince's disrespect for Hip-Hop (before he pathetically tried to become a part of the genre, with MORE Black jokes as the imagery). All other Black folks were cast in the back and unseen or shown for a second (choirs, the two excellent back-up singers, musicians). You don't think Spike Lee, of all people, was aware of that? Besides, that quote was just my own conjecture. Spike probably didn't even think that, but I wouldn't put it past him....
I've discussed this several times in these types of threads, and people still find ways to defend him. No, Prince doesn't have to "prove" anything, so, he should just stick to his usual racially-ambiguous imagery, and cease using his "color" as the reason why people in "the industry" do him wrong. He wasn't thinking about being fair to anyone who was not his "color," so why is he complaining? I can't appreciate when he starts preaching "Blackness" out of the blue, 'cause the only times he's shown that in the past was when he was making jokes or when he needed something to help his career. Exactly how I saw it. Prince can fool some people but I grew up around brothers with his mentality. He was in love with the White man (including his White women), he wrote some of his best songs during those days and now he wants to be Soul Brother #1? Who is he trying to impress? I think his Bolivian girlfriend. A good lamp is the best police. *Ralph Waldo Emerson | |
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how long before the dumb asses start incorporating "boox" into their Princebonics?
mf needs to go read some damn "boox". [Edited 6/13/10 18:32pm] | |
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I would like to thank Spinlight and Alamine for their posts to this thread.
Ebony should be ashamed of themselves for lying about the content of the article. Judging from what others have said, I have no desire to read the article for myself.
I know this will not be a popular opinion and those who know me or know of me know I don't give a damn but:
For many years Prince gave less than a damn for a black identity. In another Ebony interview years ago, he even said he was not black but a mixture of things. I've said before and will say again when I read that: what exactly is wrong with being black?
Now there is some huge enlightment he's gone through the last ten years ago and we are supposed to applaud that? He cares about the state of black music and artists' rights all of a sudden?
Will he ever take responsibility to signing his own rights away? Did he do it to get the music out or for cash?
Like it's been mentioned before, he's sitting on a ton of stuff the fans woul gladly buy so can e possibly blame that on "the man" as well?
Oh and for him to be super black guy all of a sudden, I have yet to see a black woman on his arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah everyone is free to date whomever they choose and everyone has a preference but it is at least very curious to me.
And Prince doesn't like "yes" men? Like RD would say: GTFOOHWTBS!!! | |
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Well, I just want to ask: Why do you think he doesn't have black women over him. Iagree with your post but I'm also very curious. [Edited 6/13/10 18:54pm] | |
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You're right, he can do whatever he wants. And we'll do whatever we want. And he should think about that when he's trying to "educate" the public on some nonsense he overheard at a cocktail party with Larry Graham and Dick Gregory. | |
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