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Reply #150 posted 06/13/10 2:26pm

babynoz

Onthereal said:

Thanks babynoz. On the real, I don't understand godwill's posts? Is it just me? I'm sorry Prince is difficult enough to read.

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Reply #151 posted 06/13/10 2:26pm

godswill

Onthereal said:

Thanks babynoz. On the real, I don't understand godwill's posts? Is it just me? I'm sorry Prince is difficult enough to read.

Why can't anyone understand me i though at least if you come to a Prince site they would..

Don't tell that am that way out:lol:

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Reply #152 posted 06/13/10 2:40pm

2elijah

babynoz said:

2elijah said:

Me too...interesting discussion and good points from many participants. nod

I'm actually enjoying the input by 'Alamine" and "onthereal" to be quite honest.. lol

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Reply #153 posted 06/13/10 2:45pm

godswill

babynoz said:

Onthereal said:

Thanks babynoz. On the real, I don't understand godwill's posts? Is it just me? I'm sorry Prince is difficult enough to read.

The juror in question has been disqualified under the "no cosmic talk" rule...falloff

Ok we have been doing this for sometime now i'm confuse and then we have the fall out chair with the laughter going and the people wth the cliffhangers going on what would you expect. and the fall out let me say this ... PRINCE FANS YOU ARE SOME OF THE MOST I CAN'T SAY ONTHEREAL SINCE MY BRAIN HAS BEEN PUT THROUGH PRESSURE .

Onthereal i was saying that when you love god sometimes you want everyone to know and sometimes people don't want to . because maybe they don't believe. So sometimes when you first began to know him you started acting like everyone should know him. (god).

You know if i talk cosmic you all are really going to laugh mmm.

[Edited 6/13/10 14:49pm]

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Reply #154 posted 06/13/10 2:50pm

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2elijah said:

WaterInYourBath said:

It's not "BS." Like members of The Time, just because Spike worked with Prince, and then received money/a donation from Prince soon afterward does not mean Spike's non-positive observations/opinions were not justified. Not everyone is wrong when they don't defend Prince.

In a debate like this, I don't see how he's really defensible anyway. There's too many witnesses for the prosecution. lol

That wasn't the point though. The point was that although Spike didn't feel Prince was "black enough" according to his observation, and complained about Prince not having women of a darker hue in his videos, Spike then turned around and married the same type of woman of a hue, he complained that Prince surrounded himself with in videos, and then Spike went crawling to the "not black enough black person" he complained about, to ask for money to finance his film..

Thing is, how does Spike point fingers at a person and accuse them of doing something, then he turns around and does the same thing? lol It seems Spike's s foot went down his own mouth with that complaint... lol Just sayin'.

[Edited 6/13/10 13:13pm]

But didn't the issue regard how the women/people in Prince's videos were not Black at all back then? Spike didn't like how Black people couldn't look at Prince's productions and see themselves. Or, if we did, it was in some stupid/wanna-be comical context. And in terms of women specifically, even though Spike is most likely color-struck with women he chooses to date/marry too (as most Black men are in Hollywood disbelief), I think he would turn around and retort: "My wife is light, but she's still Black. And look at the dozens of glamorized/glorified Black women who starred in my films. Can Prince say that?" So technically, Spike hasn't done the same thing as Prince.

Also, you never know what Spike's agenda was for calling Prince in the first place. With his type of mind, Spike could have been thinking: "He owes us....Give him a call." lol

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Reply #155 posted 06/13/10 2:55pm

ThreadBare

Hey, wait a minute -- how'd I get to be a witness for Prince's defense? whofarted

hmm Maybe I should make cracks about the wigs and heels. At least then I'll be made a hostile witness.

Seriously, Prince has been unapologetically black for as long as I can remember. If brothas' "authenticity" is getting called into question for finding white women fine along with all other women, I'm saying, it's gonna be a long line. And, I'll be in it.

I said I'd be a hostile witness. hmph!

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Reply #156 posted 06/13/10 3:04pm

babynoz

ThreadBare said:

Hey, wait a minute -- how'd I get to be a witness for Prince's defense? whofarted

hmm Maybe I should make cracks about the wigs and heels. At least then I'll be made a hostile witness.

Seriously, Prince has been unapologetically black for as long as I can remember. If brothas' "authenticity" is getting called into question for finding white women fine along with all other women, I'm saying, it's gonna be a long line. And, I'll be in it.

I said I'd be a hostile witness. hmph!

LOL, naaaaw bro... no no no! you got yourself into this with one short and sweet statement,

Not that it's in itself a litmus test, but at what arguably was the height of his domestic popularity, Prince contributed enough to warrant a special shout-out (in "Purple Rain" font and all) at the end of the King Holiday tribute video. Maybe some specifics about this alleged self-hate will clear up our confusion...

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Reply #157 posted 06/13/10 3:06pm

2elijah

WaterInYourBath said:

2elijah said:

That wasn't the point though. The point was that although Spike didn't feel Prince was "black enough" according to his observation, and complained about Prince not having women of a darker hue in his videos, Spike then turned around and married the same type of woman of a hue, he complained that Prince surrounded himself with in videos, and then Spike went crawling to the "not black enough black person" he complained about, to ask for money to finance his film..

Thing is, how does Spike point fingers at a person and accuse them of doing something, then he turns around and does the same thing? lol It seems Spike's s foot went down his own mouth with that complaint... lol Just sayin'.

[Edited 6/13/10 13:13pm]

But didn't the issue regard how the women/people in Prince's videos were not Black at all back then? Spike didn't like how Black people couldn't look at Prince's productions and see themselves. Or, if we did, it was in some stupid/wanna-be comical context. And in terms of women specifically, even though Spike is most likely color-struck with women he chooses to date/marry too (as most Black men are in Hollywood disbelief), I think he would turn around and retort: "My wife is light, but she's still Black. And look at the dozens of glamorized/glorified Black women who starred in my films. Can Prince say that?" So technically, Spike hasn't done the same thing as Prince.

Also, you never know what Spike's agenda was for calling Prince in the first place. With his type of mind, Spike could have been thinking: "He owes us....Give him a call." lol

Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike has contradicted himself.

[Edited 6/13/10 15:09pm]

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Reply #158 posted 06/13/10 3:10pm

godswill

2elijah said:

WaterInYourBath said:

But didn't the issue regard how the women/people in Prince's videos were not Black at all back then? Spike didn't like how Black people couldn't look at Prince's productions and see themselves. Or, if we did, it was in some stupid/wanna-be comical context. And in terms of women specifically, even though Spike is most likely color-struck with women he chooses to date/marry too (as most Black men are in Hollywood disbelief), I think he would turn around and retort: "My wife is light, but she's still Black. And look at the dozens of glamorized/glorified Black women who starred in my films. Can Prince say that?" So technically, Spike hasn't done the same thing as Prince.

Also, you never know what Spike's agenda was for calling Prince in the first place. With his type of mind, Spike could have been thinking: "He owes us....Give him a call." lol

Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike contradicted himself.

[Edited 6/13/10 15:09pm]

This is crazzzzzzzzzzy are you black?

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Reply #159 posted 06/13/10 3:16pm

babynoz

godswill said:

babynoz said:

The juror in question has been disqualified under the "no cosmic talk" rule...falloff

Ok we have been doing this for sometime now i'm confuse and then we have the fall out chair with the laughter going and the people wth the cliffhangers going on what would you expect. and the fall out let me say this ... PRINCE FANS YOU ARE SOME OF THE MOST I CAN'T SAY ONTHEREAL SINCE MY BRAIN HAS BEEN PUT THROUGH PRESSURE .

Onthereal i was saying that when you love god sometimes you want everyone to know and sometimes people don't want to . because maybe they don't believe. So sometimes when you first began to know him you started acting like everyone should know him. (god).

You know if i talk cosmic you all are really going to laugh mmm.

[Edited 6/13/10 14:49pm]

I was making a jokey joke about the disqualifying part, but it is kind of difficult to understand your posts.

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Reply #160 posted 06/13/10 3:18pm

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babynoz said:

Onthereal said:

Thanks babynoz. On the real, I don't understand godwill's posts? Is it just me? I'm sorry Prince is difficult enough to read.

The juror in question has been disqualified under the "no cosmic talk" rule...falloff

typing

Hold on, let me see if I can read it back and decifer what it says.

can i asked you a question? i love god but i have balance if you are the one that have copy of the magazine. i'm not a saint and some people know this.. Black women in general Prince dated black women. So thats not it when people find God they want to express it . So when Prince start express he wanted everyone to experience it that all. He can make the same mistakes like us all. I know because i got my full awaking . Which sometimes i can't handle (god like) tenses. So people put you back into place. Loving God yourself is not fanatiic when you don't love youself you only look out for you. I'm not saying you do this but some people will hurt others for sport. I like how he plays his Guitar too. Prince already has a girlfriend Bria and we have to respect it i guess.

Nah! I've got nothing. razz

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Reply #161 posted 06/13/10 3:22pm

2elijah

godswill said:

2elijah said:

Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike contradicted himself.

[Edited 6/13/10 15:09pm]

This is crazzzzzzzzzzy are you black?

Yes, I am, why? lol

[Edited 6/13/10 15:25pm]

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Reply #162 posted 06/13/10 3:22pm

ThreadBare

babynoz said:

ThreadBare said:

Hey, wait a minute -- how'd I get to be a witness for Prince's defense? whofarted

hmm Maybe I should make cracks about the wigs and heels. At least then I'll be made a hostile witness.

Seriously, Prince has been unapologetically black for as long as I can remember. If brothas' "authenticity" is getting called into question for finding white women fine along with all other women, I'm saying, it's gonna be a long line. And, I'll be in it.

I said I'd be a hostile witness. hmph!

LOL, naaaaw bro... no no no! you got yourself into this with one short and sweet statement,

Not that it's in itself a litmus test, but at what arguably was the height of his domestic popularity, Prince contributed enough to warrant a special shout-out (in "Purple Rain" font and all) at the end of the King Holiday tribute video. Maybe some specifics about this alleged self-hate will clear up our confusion...

biggrin

No, no, no. I asked a question to consider the allegation. If anything, I'm on the grand jury.

nana

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Reply #163 posted 06/13/10 3:25pm

babynoz

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

typing

Hold on, let me see if I can read it back and decifer what it says.

can i asked you a question? i love god but i have balance if you are the one that have copy of the magazine. i'm not a saint and some people know this.. Black women in general Prince dated black women. So thats not it when people find God they want to express it . So when Prince start express he wanted everyone to experience it that all. He can make the same mistakes like us all. I know because i got my full awaking . Which sometimes i can't handle (god like) tenses. So people put you back into place. Loving God yourself is not fanatiic when you don't love youself you only look out for you. I'm not saying you do this but some people will hurt others for sport. I like how he plays his Guitar too. Prince already has a girlfriend Bria and we have to respect it i guess.

Nah! I've got nothing. razz

Aw hell...now we have to take a recess,

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #164 posted 06/13/10 3:31pm

babynoz

ThreadBare said:

babynoz said:

biggrin

No, no, no. I asked a question to consider the allegation. If anything, I'm on the grand jury.

nana

Ha! You were clearly advocating on behalf of brotha-man P...my ruling stands. wink

Don't worry...we should be able to get you into the Purple Paisley Princey Witness Protection Program right away, nod

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Reply #165 posted 06/13/10 3:39pm

godswill

2elijah said:

WaterInYourBath said:

But didn't the issue regard how the women/people in Prince's videos were not Black at all back then? Spike didn't like how Black people couldn't look at Prince's productions and see themselves. Or, if we did, it was in some stupid/wanna-be comical context. And in terms of women specifically, even though Spike is most likely color-struck with women he chooses to date/marry too (as most Black men are in Hollywood disbelief), I think he would turn around and retort: "My wife is light, but she's still Black. And look at the dozens of glamorized/glorified Black women who starred in my films. Can Prince say that?" So technically, Spike hasn't done the same thing as Prince.

Also, you never know what Spike's agenda was for calling Prince in the first place. With his type of mind, Spike could have been thinking: "He owes us....Give him a call." lol

Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike has contradicted himself.

[Edited 6/13/10 15:09pm]

In the 80's the rap group's were basicly doing concert footage and yeah in the background you would see a lot of blacks women and men there. In the late 80's you could see a more lighter Complexion and other thing you have no arguement here because my family are of mixxed race so it's no problem here but getting back to Spike . Why because African American comes in all colors. ths scene in spike's lee's Bamboozled was saying that every corner in the black neighborhood has a liquor

store. That the black communtity at the time had no other outlets but getting high or drunk. And how does Prince in this. Well like i said i want the best for everyone so color should not matter.

Please ... Throw something else

Remeber you didn't look out for the edited I want Prince to be with whom every he wants to be with all colors..

Because with me i'm very kind and forgiven and i'm black and love being black

So not saying this

[Edited 6/13/10 16:06pm]

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Reply #166 posted 06/13/10 3:42pm

2elijah

godswill said:

2elijah said:

Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike has contradicted himself.

[Edited 6/13/10 15:09pm]

In the 80's the rap group's were basicly doing concert footage and yeah in the background you would see a lot of blacks women and men there. In the late 80's you could see a more lighter Complexion and other thing you have no arguement here because my family are of mixxed race so it's no problem here but getting back to Spike . Why because African American comes in all colors. ths scene in spike's lee's Bamboozled was saying that every corner in the black neighborhood has a liquor

store. That the black communtity at the time had no other outlets but getting high or drunk. And how does Prince in this. Well like i said i want the best for everyone so color should not matter.

Please ... Throw something else

Remeber you didn't look out for the edited I want Prince to be with whom every he wants to be with all colors..

Because with me i'm very kind and forgive so nothing is coming out.smile

[Edited 6/13/10 15:45pm]

[Edited 6/13/10 15:46pm]


eek It sounds like jibber jabber, I can't figure out what in the world you're talking about. confuse lol

[Edited 6/13/10 15:49pm]

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Reply #167 posted 06/13/10 4:28pm

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Can I just add...

"boox" falloff Ebony let Prince write his own interview innerview. Fucking classic.

I think it's a typo. I mean...surely he was talking about botox. Look at his damn forehead - Tiger Woods could putt on that thing, it's so smooth. shrug

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Reply #168 posted 06/13/10 4:29pm

godswill

2elijah said:

godswill said:

In the 80's the rap group's were basicly doing concert footage and yeah in the background you would see a lot of blacks women and men there. In the late 80's you could see a more lighter Complexion and other thing you have no arguement here because my family are of mixxed race so it's no problem here but getting back to Spike . Why because African American comes in all colors. ths scene in spike's lee's Bamboozled was saying that every corner in the black neighborhood has a liquor

store. That the black communtity at the time had no other outlets but getting high or drunk. And how does Prince in this. Well like i said i want the best for everyone so color should not matter.

Please ... Throw something else

Remeber you didn't look out for the edited I want Prince to be with whom every he wants to be with all colors..

Because with me i'm very kind and forgive so nothing is coming out.smile

[Edited 6/13/10 15:45pm]

[Edited 6/13/10 15:46pm]


eek It sounds like jibber jabber, I can't figure out what in the world you're talking about. confuse lol

[Edited 6/13/10 15:49pm]

zelijah i'm having fun with you all... messing up words acting like i don't know nothing.

[Edited 6/13/10 16:31pm]

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Reply #169 posted 06/13/10 4:41pm

Onthereal

lol It all means something. Prince writes before engaging in fatherhood we should all know what the Creator expects from us but if it's "ever so fascinating" wouldn't he tell fathers what he knows? Why bring it up then leave us wondering? Prince is lost in my opinion and he's not even a father, or is he? Getting personal again but he wrote it out to be up for discussion. Does anyone know what he was talking about as far as fatherhood?
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Reply #170 posted 06/13/10 4:53pm

Genesia

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errant said:

so did the interviewer bother to ask anything remotely interesting?

No.

anything about new music? or music at all? anything about his European tour?

No, no and no.

anything about his hip?

Seriously? lol

anything about the endless stream of lawsuits and debt that have been in the news the last 6 months? anything about lotusflow3r.com and his relationship with fans?

No and no.

anything at all? or just the same old bullshit about the current girlfriend and the current religion?

disbelief and nod

sounds like they totally blew it.

yeahthat

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Reply #171 posted 06/13/10 5:14pm

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2elijah said:

WaterInYourBath said:

But didn't the issue regard how the women/people in Prince's videos were not Black at all back then? Spike didn't like how Black people couldn't look at Prince's productions and see themselves. Or, if we did, it was in some stupid/wanna-be comical context. And in terms of women specifically, even though Spike is most likely color-struck with women he chooses to date/marry too (as most Black men are in Hollywood disbelief), I think he would turn around and retort: "My wife is light, but she's still Black. And look at the dozens of glamorized/glorified Black women who starred in my films. Can Prince say that?" So technically, Spike hasn't done the same thing as Prince.

Also, you never know what Spike's agenda was for calling Prince in the first place. With his type of mind, Spike could have been thinking: "He owes us....Give him a call." lol

Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike has contradicted himself.

[Edited 6/13/10 15:09pm]

Seriously? I could answer that question with MAJOR examples, but I'm not going to. This is about Prince, who had none, until he became a slave and hired Nona for a video no one knows about ("Love Sign"). lol

And to "owe" is just a figure of speech referring to all the thousands of Black people who were fans of and supported this man but couldn't get a role in his videos/movies unless they were implicitly or explicitly made fun of or cast back in some way. Excluding Morris Day who could be classified as an actual comedian and Monte Moir who doesn't ever speak, The Time became stereotypical (male chauvinistic) clowns. Mark Brown didn't get one line in "Purple Rain." Jerome Benton, another clown character, in UTCM. The one woman Prince runs away from in terror in UTCM was Black. Cat was displayed as a desparate girl on some stimulant-drug who could never get what she wanted. T.C. Ellis, Robin Power, and Tony M. were more ludicrous clowns, and even worse, untalented ones, whose only point was to show Prince's disrespect for Hip-Hop (before he pathetically tried to become a part of the genre, with MORE Black jokes as the imagery). All other Black folks were cast in the back and unseen or shown for a second (choirs, the two excellent back-up singers, musicians). You don't think Spike Lee, of all people, was aware of that? Besides, that quote was just my own conjecture. Spike probably didn't even think that, but I wouldn't put it past him....

I've discussed this several times in these types of threads, and people still find ways to defend him. No, Prince doesn't have to "prove" anything, so, he should just stick to his usual racially-ambiguous imagery, and cease using his "color" as the reason why people in "the industry" do him wrong. He wasn't thinking about being fair to anyone who was not his "color," so why is he complaining? I can't appreciate when he starts preaching "Blackness" out of the blue, 'cause the only times he's shown that in the past was when he was making jokes or when he needed something to help his career.

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Reply #172 posted 06/13/10 5:32pm

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Overall I though it was an interesting and yet perplexing article...... hmmm

got Prince?
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Reply #173 posted 06/13/10 5:53pm

2elijah

WaterInYourBath said:

2elijah said:

Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike has contradicted himself.

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Seriously? I could answer that question with MAJOR examples, but I'm not going to. This is about Prince, who had none, until he became a slave and hired Nona for a video no one knows about ("Love Sign"). lol

And to "owe" is just a figure of speech referring to all the thousands of Black people who were fans of and supported this man but couldn't get a role in his videos/movies unless they were implicitly or explicitly made fun of or cast back in some way. Excluding Morris Day who could be classified as an actual comedian and Monte Moir who doesn't ever speak, The Time became stereotypical (male chauvinistic) clowns. Mark Brown didn't get one line in "Purple Rain." Jerome Benton, another clown character, in UTCM. The one woman Prince runs away from in terror in UTCM was Black. Cat was displayed as a desparate girl on some stimulant-drug who could never get what she wanted. T.C. Ellis, Robin Power, and Tony M. were more ludicrous clowns, and even worse, untalented ones, whose only point was to show Prince's disrespect for Hip-Hop (before he pathetically tried to become a part of the genre, with MORE Black jokes as the imagery). All other Black folks were cast in the back and unseen or shown for a second (choirs, the two excellent back-up singers, musicians). You don't think Spike Lee, of all people, was aware of that? Besides, that quote was just my own conjecture. Spike probably didn't even think that, but I wouldn't put it past him....

I've discussed this several times in these types of threads, and people still find ways to defend him. No, Prince doesn't have to "prove" anything, so, he should just stick to his usual racially-ambiguous imagery, and cease using his "color" as the reason why people in "the industry" do him wrong. He wasn't thinking about being fair to anyone who was not his "color," so why is he complaining? I can't appreciate when he starts preaching "Blackness" out of the blue, 'cause the only times he's shown that in the past was when he was making jokes or when he needed something to help his career.

I'll be honest with you, UTCM in my opinion, was not one of my favorite movies, because that movie was just too minstrel for me, lol and I've mentioned that before in another thread. So I can't disagree with you on some of the roles played in that movie. I just found it quite silly and minstrel. It does make one question why some of the actors/artists agreed to take the roles they did, which in my opinion, helped to contribute to the stereotypical images. Of course the first answer would be because they wanted to "get paid", but at the same time, contributing to the stereotypical sh*t doesn't quite help with positive images and progress, it just feeds it.

I 'm well aware that Spike Lee saw the problem, and he did have every right to question it, as there were other artists doing the same exact thing, but then I can't help but also question Spike for pointing fingers at others, while he turns around and do the same thing he complained about. It's quite obvious you have much respect for Spike Lee given the tone of your post, and I can truly respect that. I appreciate both Spike and Prince and don't see neither as perfect human beings, but just like some folks are questionable about some of things Prince did and allowed to happen in the past, I'm questionable about others that sort of played into that along the way as well. Even if we may not agree on all that's said, I still appreciate and respect your input.

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Reply #174 posted 06/13/10 6:23pm

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2elijah said:




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But didn't the issue regard how the women/people in Prince's videos were not Black at all back then? Spike didn't like how Black people couldn't look at Prince's productions and see themselves. Or, if we did, it was in some stupid/wanna-be comical context. And in terms of women specifically, even though Spike is most likely color-struck with women he chooses to date/marry too (as most Black men are in Hollywood disbelief), I think he would turn around and retort: "My wife is light, but she's still Black. And look at the dozens of glamorized/glorified Black women who starred in my films. Can Prince say that?" So technically, Spike hasn't done the same thing as Prince.



Also, you never know what Spike's agenda was for calling Prince in the first place. With his type of mind, Spike could have been thinking: "He owes us....Give him a call." lol




Owes what and to whom? lol How many black artists back then showcased black women in their videos? Even rap artists had non-black women in their videos during the early 80s.Often times, the labels wanted to cast women of a lighter hue aside black artists, so really, Prince was not the only artist where you saw those type of women in his videos back in day. Isn't Spike currently promoting liquor, with blacks as the target consumers, for a company I believe is supporting one of his upcoming projects? I believe I recently saw an article like that, and some folks on the net called Spike on it, because I believe there was a scene in "Bamboozled" showing a character in the movie, promoting liquor to blacks and the character being called a sellout. I guess those that complained about it, was sort saying that in Spike's case, it was like art imitating life by hinting that Spike has contradicted himself.


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Seriously? I could answer that question with MAJOR examples, but I'm not going to. This is about Prince, who had none, until he became a slave and hired Nona for a video no one knows about ("Love Sign"). lol



And to "owe" is just a figure of speech referring to all the thousands of Black people who were fans of and supported this man but couldn't get a role in his videos/movies unless they were implicitly or explicitly made fun of or cast back in some way. Excluding Morris Day who could be classified as an actual comedian and Monte Moir who doesn't ever speak, The Time became stereotypical (male chauvinistic) clowns. Mark Brown didn't get one line in "Purple Rain." Jerome Benton, another clown character, in UTCM. The one woman Prince runs away from in terror in UTCM was Black. Cat was displayed as a desparate girl on some stimulant-drug who could never get what she wanted. T.C. Ellis, Robin Power, and Tony M. were more ludicrous clowns, and even worse, untalented ones, whose only point was to show Prince's disrespect for Hip-Hop (before he pathetically tried to become a part of the genre, with MORE Black jokes as the imagery). All other Black folks were cast in the back and unseen or shown for a second (choirs, the two excellent back-up singers, musicians). You don't think Spike Lee, of all people, was aware of that? Besides, that quote was just my own conjecture. Spike probably didn't even think that, but I wouldn't put it past him....



I've discussed this several times in these types of threads, and people still find ways to defend him. No, Prince doesn't have to "prove" anything, so, he should just stick to his usual racially-ambiguous imagery, and cease using his "color" as the reason why people in "the industry" do him wrong. He wasn't thinking about being fair to anyone who was not his "color," so why is he complaining? I can't appreciate when he starts preaching "Blackness" out of the blue, 'cause the only times he's shown that in the past was when he was making jokes or when he needed something to help his career.


Exactly how I saw it. Prince can fool some people but I grew up around brothers with his mentality. He was in love with the White man (including his White women), he wrote some of his best songs during those days and now he wants to be Soul Brother #1? Who is he trying to impress? I think his Bolivian girlfriend.
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Reply #175 posted 06/13/10 6:31pm

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how long before the dumb asses start incorporating "boox" into their Princebonics? falloff

mf needs to go read some damn "boox".

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Reply #176 posted 06/13/10 6:43pm

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I would like to thank Spinlight and Alamine for their posts to this thread.

Ebony should be ashamed of themselves for lying about the content of the article. Judging from what others have said, I have no desire to read the article for myself.

I know this will not be a popular opinion and those who know me or know of me know I don't give a damn but:

For many years Prince gave less than a damn for a black identity. In another Ebony interview years ago, he even said he was not black but a mixture of things. I've said before and will say again when I read that: what exactly is wrong with being black?

Now there is some huge enlightment he's gone through the last ten years ago and we are supposed to applaud that? He cares about the state of black music and artists' rights all of a sudden?

Will he ever take responsibility to signing his own rights away? Did he do it to get the music out or for cash?

Like it's been mentioned before, he's sitting on a ton of stuff the fans woul gladly buy so can e possibly blame that on "the man" as well?

Oh and for him to be super black guy all of a sudden, I have yet to see a black woman on his arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah everyone is free to date whomever they choose and everyone has a preference but it is at least very curious to me.

And Prince doesn't like "yes" men? Like RD would say: GTFOOHWTBS!!! falloff

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Reply #177 posted 06/13/10 6:47pm

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Vendetta1 said:

I would like to thank Spinlight and Alamine for their posts to this thread.

Ebony should be ashamed of themselves for lying about the content of the article. Judging from what others have said, I have no desire to read the article for myself.

I know this will not be a popular opinion and those who know me or know of me know I don't give a damn but:

For many years Prince gave less than a damn for a black identity. In another Ebony interview years ago, he even said he was not black but a mixture of things. I've said before and will say again when I read that: what exactly is wrong with being black?

Now there is some huge enlightment he's gone through the last ten years ago and we are supposed to applaud that? He cares about the state of black music and artists' rights all of a sudden?

Will he ever take responsibility to signing his own rights away? Did he do it to get the music out or for cash?

Like it's been mentioned before, he's sitting on a ton of stuff the fans woul gladly buy so can e possibly blame that on "the man" as well?

Oh and for him to be super black guy all of a sudden, I have yet to see a black woman on his arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah everyone is free to date whomever they choose and everyone has a preference but it is at least very curious to me.

And Prince doesn't like "yes" men? Like RD would say: GTFOOHWTBS!!! falloff

Well, I just want to ask: Why do you think he doesn't have black women over him. Iagree with your post but I'm also very curious.

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Reply #178 posted 06/13/10 6:51pm

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godswill said:

Vendetta1 said:

I would like to thank Spinlight and Alamine for their posts to this thread.

Ebony should be ashamed of themselves for lying about the content of the article. Judging from what others have said, I have no desire to read the article for myself.

I know this will not be a popular opinion and those who know me or know of me know I don't give a damn but:

For many years Prince gave less than a damn for a black identity. In another Ebony interview years ago, he even said he was not black but a mixture of things. I've said before and will say again when I read that: what exactly is wrong with being black?

Now there is some huge enlightment he's gone through the last ten years ago and we are supposed to applaud that? He cares about the state of black music and artists' rights all of a sudden?

Will he ever take responsibility to signing his own rights away? Did he do it to get the music out or for cash?

Like it's been mentioned before, he's sitting on a ton of stuff the fans woul gladly buy so can e possibly blame that on "the man" as well?

Oh and for him to be super black guy all of a sudden, I have yet to see a black woman on his arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah everyone is free to date whomever they choose and everyone has a preference but it is at least very curious to me.

And Prince doesn't like "yes" men? Like RD would say: GTFOOHWTBS!!! falloff

I love prince !!! But he can date or married or bria ya'll don't have no respect

You're right, he can do whatever he wants. And we'll do whatever we want. And he should think about that when he's trying to "educate" the public on some nonsense he overheard at a cocktail party with Larry Graham and Dick Gregory.

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Reply #179 posted 06/13/10 6:56pm

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godswill said:

Vendetta1 said:

I would like to thank Spinlight and Alamine for their posts to this thread.

Ebony should be ashamed of themselves for lying about the content of the article. Judging from what others have said, I have no desire to read the article for myself.

I know this will not be a popular opinion and those who know me or know of me know I don't give a damn but:

For many years Prince gave less than a damn for a black identity. In another Ebony interview years ago, he even said he was not black but a mixture of things. I've said before and will say again when I read that: what exactly is wrong with being black?

Now there is some huge enlightment he's gone through the last ten years ago and we are supposed to applaud that? He cares about the state of black music and artists' rights all of a sudden?

Will he ever take responsibility to signing his own rights away? Did he do it to get the music out or for cash?

Like it's been mentioned before, he's sitting on a ton of stuff the fans woul gladly buy so can e possibly blame that on "the man" as well?

Oh and for him to be super black guy all of a sudden, I have yet to see a black woman on his arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah everyone is free to date whomever they choose and everyone has a preference but it is at least very curious to me.

And Prince doesn't like "yes" men? Like RD would say: GTFOOHWTBS!!! falloff

Well, I just want to ask: Why do you think he doesn't have black women over him. Iagree with your post but I'm also very curious.

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