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Printablevitriol said: ernestsewell said: Awww.
 Of course you would.Save your comforting smiley for yourself. You need it way more than me... Nah, I'm good. But thanks for your concern. You're a sweetie.  | |
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ronnwinter said: Mindflux said: And again, more rubbish! So now the quality of music is equal to its commercial success - history proves otherwise! Given that - how many downloads of your track have there been? If it were none, your logic would mean you made one of the most appalling songs in the world! Look, when a guy like Prince cant even sell 200,000 copies of an album, it must be crap. As far as quality being based on commercial success....Gold Experience was an incredible album, but it was a commercial failure. But it did at least go gold in the U.S. if im not mistaken. Rainbow is an awful album. And of course this is just my opinion as well as the opinion most of his fans. Now this brings up a question for me. We all know back during the Purple Rain Era people were not downloading music like they do now. Record sales and or Album or CD sales have dramatically changed. I for one am not the type of consumer or person who buys something just because it's possible. I like to buy things, musically speaking that typically go against the grain. There are a few artist here and there I may find out about because they had some sort of notoriety to back it up but let me get to my question I like to ask, when it comes to Prince's music: just because an album after the Purple Rain Era or say after the Gold Experience Era does not hit a Gold Status in record sales, does that make it a flop? I was always under the impression it's what "we" think person to person about so said album or artist. Record sales mean nothing to me. From time to time I do wish Prince would release an album and the critics that I like or read what so said critic wrote that I would like to agree with. For example: Alan Leeds, if he said this or that album was "crap" which he wouldn't say, I would probably "lean" in that direction of so said album or artist. Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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ronnwinter said: Mindflux said: And again, more rubbish! So now the quality of music is equal to its commercial success - history proves otherwise! Given that - how many downloads of your track have there been? If it were none, your logic would mean you made one of the most appalling songs in the world! Look, when a guy like Prince cant even sell 200,000 copies of an album, it must be crap. As far as quality being based on commercial success....Gold Experience was an incredible album, but it was a commercial failure. But it did at least go gold in the U.S. if im not mistaken. Rainbow is an awful album. And of course this is just my opinion as well as the opinion most of his fans. The Rainbow Children didn't have any publicity. If I mention it to someone they don't say "I heard that album sucks" they say "what is that?" So why would they buy it? 200,000 is not that bad for something nobody's ever heard of. And I wouldn't say most of his fans dislike it, some love it & some hate it. My Legacy
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ernestsewell said: lotusboy said: I, for the record am not calling your music trash ernest...If you are Jewish, I wouldn't refer to your religion as BULLSHIT..as u did of PRINCE'S...MY RESPONSE TO YOUR POST IS NOT JUVENILE, I'm simply calling it what it appears to be...pure jealousy...when u produce a record even as clever and good as the simple and short "wedding feast"..then u are not jealous, but until then you appear juvenile and jealous knocking TRC just because it's not Prince circa 1984...Prince doesnt deny his past..but it seems You, Ernest, LIVE IN PRINCE'S PAST. TOO BAD. and furthermore, Prince eats and sleeps his music...by comparison, you only nap and nosh your music. but its all relative..right?
LOL That response is ridiculous! It's not ridiculous Lotusboy, I'm with you here. Just remember when people lose arguments they resort to name calling. It's the easiest defence there is.  Actually Ernest, I'm still waiting for a reply on "is soft wrong?"
TRC is an album where the lyrics haven't bothered me once. Why? Because I never sit and read the lyrics from a book. I listen to music, it's an audio experience and I pick up the lyrics which seem to automatically resonate with me. For threads here and questions, I check them up online. That's the only time it's a visual experience. TRC is a cd that you can put on, just listen and NOT THINK! It's brilliant. It's relaxing, the musicianship and production is outstanding. No it's not a cd when you jump off the couch and start dancing, girating your hips and get all horny. No. It's also not a cd where you get all nostalgic and sing your heart out; Nor is a cd where it's a head bangers ball and you can just get lost in the noise. It's a cd that you can LISTEN to without having to think, it just blends in with whatever you're doing. I agree, the DV voice slows it down and I have no clue what he's saying most of the time, but I don't mind. Sometimes music is NOT about words. But, if the music was telling me constantly "be agressive, commit a crime, steal a dime, smack my bitch up( Nirvana)" or if it carried some other negative destructive message, no I wouldn't listen either. But there's nothing wrong with TRC lyrics that I do happen to pick up. They're not threatening, they're not brainwashing they're just spiritually inclined words. If one just doesn't like jazz influenced music and it's that that you don't dig, fair enough. However, to judge a sound because the words sing about blue when you like red, it seems strange to just dismiss the music. I'd challenge everyone who hates the cd to listen to it again and STOP THINKING! JUST LISTEN. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Mindflux said: ernestsewell said: Your reply is juvenile at best. It's the same old "you're just jealous" routine that some 4th grader would extol on the masses on the school yard. I'm not jealous of anything Prince is, was, or will be. To be jealous of someone is a waste of my time. I have the same musical gift that Prince does. We both play music, we both write music. He's done other things with his gift that are different than what I've done with mine. Neither is right or wrong, it's just relative to our own experience. I'm certainly not jealous of his bullshit Jehovah's Witness status. It's what has made him soft, lifeless, uninspired, and generic. As far as what people say about my music... SO WHAT. I will continue to do what God gave me talent to do. If people have a problem with that, that's none of my business. Prince doesn't care what I think of The Rainbow Children, so why should I care what someone else thinks of my music? I've had positive and negative feedback on my music, but it's left me undeterred in making more music, or changing what I've already done. Prince has already used his religious crutch as an excuse to go back and deny his past (a past God gave him and that we helped foster by buying music and concert tickets), and edit his music. It's like chopping off your kid's finger because they picked their nose. It's unethical of Prince to do it, and there's nothing about that which I am jealous of. Wrong on so many levels, its just too funny! You really should hear yourself! 
"I have the same musical gift that Prince does." In which universe?! You lost any credibility you could have possibily mustered straight from the off and only further cemented that with the rest of your diatribe. The original poster also did not suggest you were jealous of Prince. He did suggest you might ENVY him - there is a massive difference. And this from the "say what you mean" guy hmmmm?! He said envy and you twisted it in to "jealousy" simply to support your weak argument. People use "religious crutches" to excuse a lot of things. But I'm still astounded to learn that God gave us Dirty Mind! 
Actually, musicians that care about their work care about the reception it gets and it may or may not affect what they do in the future. Perhaps you don't care about your work? [Edited 4/14/10 9:17am] mindflux i could'nt agree with u more. great point. stickman | |
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PurpleLove7 said: ronnwinter said: Look, when a guy like Prince cant even sell 200,000 copies of an album, it must be crap. As far as quality being based on commercial success....Gold Experience was an incredible album, but it was a commercial failure. But it did at least go gold in the U.S. if im not mistaken. Rainbow is an awful album. And of course this is just my opinion as well as the opinion most of his fans. Now this brings up a question for me. We all know back during the Purple Rain Era people were not downloading music like they do now. Record sales and or Album or CD sales have dramatically changed. I for one am not the type of consumer or person who buys something just because it's possible. I like to buy things, musically speaking that typically go against the grain. There are a few artist here and there I may find out about because they had some sort of notoriety to back it up but let me get to my question I like to ask, when it comes to Prince's music: just because an album after the Purple Rain Era or say after the Gold Experience Era does not hit a Gold Status in record sales, does that make it a flop? I was always under the impression it's what "we" think person to person about so said album or artist. Record sales mean nothing to me. From time to time I do wish Prince would release an album and the critics that I like or read what so said critic wrote that I would like to agree with. For example: Alan Leeds, if he said this or that album was "crap" which he wouldn't say, I would probably "lean" in that direction of so said album or artist. I don't listen to record sales. I know of an artist that sold 10 million copies of a cd. Media reported BIG FLOP! That was in 2001. Imagine IF there was no such thing as the internet then. How many sales would there actually have been? That's the question. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Sigh. The Rainbow Children makes me long for the day when he was just racist, sexist, antisemitic, and homophobic. | |
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nekronhhr said: I just discovered this album and im pretty excited about it. were there any music videos, bsides, or anything else relating to this album released?
There is a DVD out there. The old timers will remember the name and correct me. It is something like "One night at the Aladin" and can be had for a good price second hand. There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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I have very high respect for the Jehovah Witness religion...I actually was curious about it and had a hard time finding information on it at the local public library....And so My g/f and I actually attended a Jehovah's Witness meeting...The people were kind and loving and happy to spend time with us after the meeting..They then gave me a copy of the New World Translation..It is now the Bible I Treasure and refer to and try to spend time reading when I can....With that said...I then Went back and Started listening to the Rainbow Children and was able to grasp the concept of this album more than ever before....This Album is Musically extraordinary and Lyrically food for the Spirit...
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Bohemian67 said: PurpleLove7 said: Now this brings up a question for me. We all know back during the Purple Rain Era people were not downloading music like they do now. Record sales and or Album or CD sales have dramatically changed. I for one am not the type of consumer or person who buys something just because it's possible. I like to buy things, musically speaking that typically go against the grain. There are a few artist here and there I may find out about because they had some sort of notoriety to back it up but let me get to my question I like to ask, when it comes to Prince's music: just because an album after the Purple Rain Era or say after the Gold Experience Era does not hit a Gold Status in record sales, does that make it a flop? I was always under the impression it's what "we" think person to person about so said album or artist. Record sales mean nothing to me. From time to time I do wish Prince would release an album and the critics that I like or read what so said critic wrote that I would like to agree with. For example: Alan Leeds, if he said this or that album was "crap" which he wouldn't say, I would probably "lean" in that direction of so said album or artist. I don't listen to record sales. I know of an artist that sold 10 million copies of a cd. Media reported BIG FLOP! That was in 2001. Imagine IF there was no such thing as the internet then. How many sales would there actually have been? That's the question. I see your point...But this is Prince we're talking about. 1999 he went gold (i think) with Rave, 2001 he sells somewhere around 160,000 with rainbow... now fast forward only 3 years later. Musicology went platinum, even without the give away! My point is.. Prince had fans out there, lots of fans! But Rainbow Children wasnt what most of them wanted and more importantly, needed out of Prince..and the sales refelct that. Whether you like it or not, whether i hate it or not... the FACT remains that MOST prince fans disliked it. Was it good musically... I guess so, if you like that type of music. Was it good lyrically? Well, in the words of Billy.."Noone understands your music, but yourself". | |
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ronnwinter said: Bohemian67 said: I don't listen to record sales. I know of an artist that sold 10 million copies of a cd. Media reported BIG FLOP! That was in 2001. Imagine IF there was no such thing as the internet then. How many sales would there actually have been? That's the question. I see your point...But this is Prince we're talking about. 1999 he went gold (i think) with Rave, 2001 he sells somewhere around 160,000 with rainbow... now fast forward only 3 years later. Musicology went platinum, even without the give away! My point is.. Prince had fans out there, lots of fans! But Rainbow Children wasnt what most of them wanted and more importantly, needed out of Prince..and the sales refelct that. Whether you like it or not, whether i hate it or not... the FACT remains that MOST prince fans disliked it. Was it good musically... I guess so, if you like that type of music. Was it good lyrically? Well, in the words of Billy.."Noone understands your music, but yourself". But Rave & Musicology both had pushes from major labels My Legacy
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ronnwinter said: Bohemian67 said: I don't listen to record sales. I know of an artist that sold 10 million copies of a cd. Media reported BIG FLOP! That was in 2001. Imagine IF there was no such thing as the internet then. How many sales would there actually have been? That's the question. I see your point...But this is Prince we're talking about. 1999 he went gold (i think) with Rave, 2001 he sells somewhere around 160,000 with rainbow... now fast forward only 3 years later. Musicology went platinum, even without the give away! My point is.. Prince had fans out there, lots of fans! But Rainbow Children wasnt what most of them wanted and more importantly, needed out of Prince..and the sales refelct that. Whether you like it or not, whether i hate it or not... the FACT remains that MOST prince fans disliked it. Was it good musically... I guess so, if you like that type of music. Was it good lyrically? Well, in the words of Billy.."Noone understands your music, but yourself". He did the tour with Musicology didn't he? I think TRC was more of a personal project, kind of soundtrack to his life, could even be a soundtrack to a movie. I don't see the fans not liking it as a problem with Prince not knowing what to give to his fans. I think he/ or any artist just gives what they have inside to give. I see it more as general societal problem, in that who wants "God" or peace now days? We suffer from Theomania. We want to believe we're God! So anything telling us otherwise is immediately labelled crap! I mean beauty, goodness and truth, it's almost uncool right? It does not fit into our superficial, materialistic society today. I think this is the main reason why it didn't sell. Nothing to do with the quality of the music or lyrics. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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2 things
1st: This album is such an odd one for me. Musically, I really enjoy it. It flows together very well and is just well made. Lyrically, I have to distance myself. Much of what he says here is over-the-top in its inane-ness. 2nd: Ernest simply stated he didn't like the album...lotusboy was the one to start causing problems. Now when he responds to someone being a twat, y'all gang up on him. WTF? So he doesn't like an album...big deal. =0P Brace yourself
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Hero0101 said: 2 things
1st: This album is such an odd one for me. Musically, I really enjoy it. It flows together very well and is just well made. Lyrically, I have to distance myself. Much of what he says here is over-the-top in its inane-ness. 2nd: Ernest simply stated he didn't like the album...lotusboy was the one to start causing problems. Now when he responds to someone being a twat, y'all gang up on him. WTF? So he doesn't like an album...big deal. =0P connorhawke lists it as a favorite and I bet he is one of those who has the ability to distance himself from the lyrics. There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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Hero0101 said: 2 things
1st: This album is such an odd one for me. Musically, I really enjoy it. It flows together very well and is just well made. Lyrically, I have to distance myself. Much of what he says here is over-the-top in its inane-ness. 2nd: Ernest simply stated he didn't like the album...lotusboy was the one to start causing problems. Now when he responds to someone being a twat, y'all gang up on him. WTF? So he doesn't like an album...big deal. =0P I object to Ernest's comment, quote. It's not the first, regarding the religion and what it's done to Prince. I'm certainly not jealous of his bullshit Jehovah's Witness status. It's what has made him soft, lifeless, uninspired, and generic. And Mindflux is referring to the comments made about bad albums sales = bad music. I wonder where people get their bootlegs from. [Edited 4/14/10 13:07pm] [Edited 4/14/10 13:09pm] "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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ronnwinter said: Bohemian67 said: I don't listen to record sales. I know of an artist that sold 10 million copies of a cd. Media reported BIG FLOP! That was in 2001. Imagine IF there was no such thing as the internet then. How many sales would there actually have been? That's the question. I see your point...But this is Prince we're talking about. 1999 he went gold (i think) with Rave, 2001 he sells somewhere around 160,000 with rainbow... now fast forward only 3 years later. Musicology went platinum, even without the give away! My point is.. Prince had fans out there, lots of fans! But Rainbow Children wasnt what most of them wanted and more importantly, needed out of Prince..and the sales refelct that. Whether you like it or not, whether i hate it or not... the FACT remains that MOST prince fans disliked it. Was it good musically... I guess so, if you like that type of music. Was it good lyrically? Well, in the words of Billy.."Noone understands your music, but yourself". I am in total agreement with you on the last part. 
Bohemian67 said: PurpleLove7 said: Now this brings up a question for me. We all know back during the Purple Rain Era people were not downloading music like they do now. Record sales and or Album or CD sales have dramatically changed. I for one am not the type of consumer or person who buys something just because it's possible. I like to buy things, musically speaking that typically go against the grain. There are a few artist here and there I may find out about because they had some sort of notoriety to back it up but let me get to my question I like to ask, when it comes to Prince's music: just because an album after the Purple Rain Era or say after the Gold Experience Era does not hit a Gold Status in record sales, does that make it a flop? I was always under the impression it's what "we" think person to person about so said album or artist. Record sales mean nothing to me. From time to time I do wish Prince would release an album and the critics that I like or read what so said critic wrote that I would like to agree with. For example: Alan Leeds, if he said this or that album was "crap" which he wouldn't say, I would probably "lean" in that direction of so said album or artist. I don't listen to record sales. I know of an artist that sold 10 million copies of a cd. Media reported BIG FLOP! That was in 2001. Imagine IF there was no such thing as the internet then. How many sales would there actually have been? That's the question. My sentiments exactly Bohemian67. How many people buy albums now-a-days. I can admit that I have received a digital download of an album of Prince's before it even was available to buy but, I still go out and buy the album because I support the artist and musicians I like. Yeah, I'll have all the available music you can find including boots but I still buy the album. We all know P makes most of his money from touring and live performances. After he tours that album, then sales usually improve or one would think they do. Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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As boring as hearing a taliban yelling out some misguided interpretation of the Coran...
and the album lacks strong hooks or inviting melodies... The Work.Pt1, the only nice track ...  | |
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It is a good album. He threw his last celebration during this album and it was incredible. 7 days and 7 nights at Paisley Park. Some of the best times of my life. I stood right next to Prince and froze up. Couldn't bring myself to say anything too him. TRC is in no way trash. As far as the guy who said it was, argueing with him is like mud wrestling with a pig. They love it. I would be a millionair if I had a dime for every person I have read him picking an arguement with. Listen to the album a few times. I think you'll like it.
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JoeTyler said: As boring as hearing a taliban yelling out some misguided interpretation of the Coran...
and the album lacks strong hooks or inviting melodies... The Work.Pt1, the only nice track ... it's more about interesting music than hooks, but there are some good concise songs, especially beginning with The Work. That's where the album really begins to hit it's stride. My Legacy
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NDRU said: JoeTyler said: As boring as hearing a taliban yelling out some misguided interpretation of the Coran...
and the album lacks strong hooks or inviting melodies... The Work.Pt1, the only nice track ... it's more about interesting music than hooks, but there are some good concise songs, especially beginning with The Work. That's where the album really begins to hit it's stride. I can only say that the long jams are just...dull, and many of the 4 min. songs start rather well (Muse, for example) but the hook, the catchy chorus isn't there... 
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JoeTyler said: NDRU said: it's more about interesting music than hooks, but there are some good concise songs, especially beginning with The Work. That's where the album really begins to hit it's stride. I can only say that the long jams are just...dull, and many of the 4 min. songs start rather well (Muse, for example) but the hook, the catchy chorus isn't there...
TRC is the polar opposite of 1999!! true, though Muse is my least favorite song on the album. Everywhere, The Work, She Loves Me 4 me, Family Name, Mellow, Everlasting Now, Last December all have hooks, don't they? My Legacy
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JoeTyler said: As boring as hearing a taliban yelling out some misguided interpretation of the Coran...
Now THAT is a fun analogy! | |
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NDRU said: JoeTyler said: I can only say that the long jams are just...dull, and many of the 4 min. songs start rather well (Muse, for example) but the hook, the catchy chorus isn't there...
TRC is the polar opposite of 1999!! true, though Muse is my least favorite song on the album. She Loves Me 4 me, Family Name, Mellow, Everlasting Now, Last December all have hooks, don't they? I'm still looking for the hooks! Well no, I just gave up years ago...TRC doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned! Gotta admit that 1+1+1=3 was cool too  | |
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Look, Ernie likes Madonna so lets not get to excited about what his take on the Rainbow Children is!
I mean for Allah's sake Madge! |
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SPOOKYGAS said: Look, Ernie likes Madonna so lets not get to excited about what his take on the Rainbow Children is!
I mean for Allah's sake Madge! Confessions on a dance floor>>>>>TRC | |
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It is a true Prince masterpiece which stands up to anything he has ever done in my opinion. Only Prince could make such an album. | |
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Great album. One of my top 5 Prince albums. |
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i didnt think it was that bad i like his religious themes in the music 
now the song Wedding Feast thats a whole nother topic  | |
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LOVE this album! I ignore whatever message he's trying to convey just as I did any other God or pussy talk of the past, its just rhetoric to me the same as any other artist. The musical vibe of this record is incredible. | |
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PurpleLove7 said: When I 1st heard this album I was like "Um, what" ... Musically it's top notch but the lyrics (when you read em) let's you know what Prince was reading and being heavily influenced by: the JW way of life. That's cool for him but I'm not feelin' it. The music again, was great (imho) ...
same here.the content of some of the lyrics-totally not my thing.but i can appreciate the artistic merit of the album. | |
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