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PrintableHatrinaHaterwitz said: squirrelgrease said: We can go back and forth on this, but the simple fact is that no one is likely to see what Prince is doing today as an artist and/or businessman and adopt those influences. When another artist mentions Prince as an influence, it's a sure bet that they're talking about 1980's Prince and not New Millennium Prince. It's tough to admit, but Prince hasn't been a trendsetter for a couple of decades. If anything, he's become a follower of trends. It's also disheartening to have recently realized that songs like Kiss and Colonized Mind are not even original compositions by P. Hater.  If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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squirrelgrease said: Bohemian67 said: And if you ask current popstars who they model themselves upon or who they idolised when growing up, they'd probably answer Prince along with some others. Meaning influence from the past still has influence today. We can go back and forth on this, but the simple fact is that no one is likely to see what Prince is doing today as an artist and/or businessman and adopt those influences. When another artist mentions Prince as an influence, it's a sure bet that they're talking about 1980's Prince and not New Millennium Prince. It's tough to admit, but Prince hasn't been a trendsetter for a couple of decades. If anything, he's become a follower of trends. It's also disheartening to have recently realized that songs like Kiss and Colonized Mind are not even original compositions by P. That's the whole point. Influence is not about only now or as u say in the last ten years. Anyone who is influential in the music biz must be one who has continued to make money in music for decades. Otherwise it's just a current trend which I agree, one can adopt.But one doesn't adopt influence. It would be very strange if "teenyboppers in their early 20s" would adopt trends/styles of artists in their 40s or 50s don't you think? New artists are there to shape the current scene but they have all been influenced by music since they were small. Lady Gaga is 24. If she started listening to music around 8-10 that's 16 years of Prince music/career that she, or any young artist that follows the successful artists, has been following. That you can call influence. Again why should she adopt Prince's modern day business moves or music, she's 28 years younger! But something in her approach to her current day music has its roots somewhere. I think you equate Prince's lack of ground breaking modern music trends in recent years with lack of success, which it isn't. He's continued to make albums, support his lifestyle and sells out concerts. You're looking at someone who was SO BIG in HIS YOUTH that the influence goes on and on and on. Old 80s artists/bands such as Simple Minds, Yazoo, Anne Lennox, U2 Madonna, where are they? Is there music any different? Yeah they have websites and are still quite mainstream. But something new and innovative? A concert being filmed live around the world online is not U2 innovation, it's technological innovation. The music is still the same. Prince shouldn't be the same as what he was back then. He's too talented for that. That's why I think he branches out into new genres and tries new things. He remains an innovater to himself and not a puppet to the public, which is what makes him an influence and not a current trend, here today and gone tomorrow. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: squirrelgrease said: We can go back and forth on this, but the simple fact is that no one is likely to see what Prince is doing today as an artist and/or businessman and adopt those influences. When another artist mentions Prince as an influence, it's a sure bet that they're talking about 1980's Prince and not New Millennium Prince. It's tough to admit, but Prince hasn't been a trendsetter for a couple of decades. If anything, he's become a follower of trends. It's also disheartening to have recently realized that songs like Kiss and Colonized Mind are not even original compositions by P. That's the whole point. Influence is not about only now or as u say in the last ten years. Anyone who is influential in the music biz must be one who has continued to make money in music for decades. Otherwise it's just a current trend which I agree, one can adopt.But one doesn't adopt influence. It would be very strange if "teenyboppers in their early 20s" would adopt trends/styles of artists in their 40s or 50s don't you think? New artists are there to shape the current scene but they have all been influenced by music since they were small. Lady Gaga is 24. If she started listening to music around 8-10 that's 16 years of Prince music/career that she, or any young artist that follows the successful artists, has been following. That you can call influence. Again why should she adopt Prince's modern day business moves or music, she's 28 years younger! But something in her approach to her current day music has its roots somewhere. I think you equate Prince's lack of ground breaking modern music trends in recent years with lack of success, which it isn't. He's continued to make albums, support his lifestyle and sells out concerts. You're looking at someone who was SO BIG in HIS YOUTH that the influence goes on and on and on. Old 80s artists/bands such as Simple Minds, Yazoo, Anne Lennox, U2 Madonna, where are they? Is there music any different? Yeah they have websites and are still quite mainstream. But something new and innovative? A concert being filmed live around the world online is not U2 innovation, it's technological innovation. The music is still the same. Prince shouldn't be the same as what he was back then. He's too talented for that. That's why I think he branches out into new genres and tries new things. He remains an innovater to himself and not a puppet to the public, which is what makes him an influence and not a current trend, here today and gone tomorrow. This is the point in the discussion that we just buy each other a beer or two and listen to the great stuff coming out of the jukebox. 
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squirrelgrease said: Bohemian67 said: That's the whole point. Influence is not about only now or as u say in the last ten years. Anyone who is influential in the music biz must be one who has continued to make money in music for decades. Otherwise it's just a current trend which I agree, one can adopt.But one doesn't adopt influence. It would be very strange if "teenyboppers in their early 20s" would adopt trends/styles of artists in their 40s or 50s don't you think? New artists are there to shape the current scene but they have all been influenced by music since they were small. Lady Gaga is 24. If she started listening to music around 8-10 that's 16 years of Prince music/career that she, or any young artist that follows the successful artists, has been following. That you can call influence. Again why should she adopt Prince's modern day business moves or music, she's 28 years younger! But something in her approach to her current day music has its roots somewhere. I think you equate Prince's lack of ground breaking modern music trends in recent years with lack of success, which it isn't. He's continued to make albums, support his lifestyle and sells out concerts. You're looking at someone who was SO BIG in HIS YOUTH that the influence goes on and on and on. Old 80s artists/bands such as Simple Minds, Yazoo, Anne Lennox, U2 Madonna, where are they? Is there music any different? Yeah they have websites and are still quite mainstream. But something new and innovative? A concert being filmed live around the world online is not U2 innovation, it's technological innovation. The music is still the same. Prince shouldn't be the same as what he was back then. He's too talented for that. That's why I think he branches out into new genres and tries new things. He remains an innovater to himself and not a puppet to the public, which is what makes him an influence and not a current trend, here today and gone tomorrow. This is the point in the discussion that we just buy each other a beer or two and listen to the great stuff coming out of the jukebox.
Good idea  "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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squirrelgrease said: Who the fuck would seriously consider voting Prince to that list? It's not supposed to be a popularity contest, but a legitimate poll about who is influencing culture today. Prince in no way, shape or form could be considered relevant to this query. He hasn't broken new ground in a decade or more.
Incidentally, I voted for the drummer from Iron Butterfly. Prince was influential in terms of how he released his & Bria's CDs. One day the music industry will change the way they distribute & handle their artists when the artists find other means of distribution  |
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Right now Prince`s average ranking is 66.....  |
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squirrelgrease said: Bohemian67 said: And if you ask current popstars who they model themselves upon or who they idolised when growing up, they'd probably answer Prince along with some others. Meaning influence from the past still has influence today. We can go back and forth on this, but the simple fact is that no one is likely to see what Prince is doing today as an artist and/or businessman and adopt those influences. When another artist mentions Prince as an influence, it's a sure bet that they're talking about 1980's Prince and not New Millennium Prince. It's tough to admit, but Prince hasn't been a trendsetter for a couple of decades. If anything, he's become a follower of trends. It's also disheartening to have recently realized that songs like Kiss and Colonized Mind are not even original compositions by P. So we should vote for Prince of the 80s, cause that Prince doesn't go away. "I have so much love for Prince. But why don't they look at me that way"- MJ | |
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aarontj said: squirrelgrease said: We can go back and forth on this, but the simple fact is that no one is likely to see what Prince is doing today as an artist and/or businessman and adopt those influences. When another artist mentions Prince as an influence, it's a sure bet that they're talking about 1980's Prince and not New Millennium Prince. It's tough to admit, but Prince hasn't been a trendsetter for a couple of decades. If anything, he's become a follower of trends. It's also disheartening to have recently realized that songs like Kiss and Colonized Mind are not even original compositions by P. So we should vote for Prince of the 80s, cause that Prince doesn't go away. Really, it doesn't matter does it?If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Voted Can You Dig It... I Sure Can | |
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Currently at # 99....
i voted again....it seems he will be in the list....so he will be performing there;) http://www.time.com/time/...78,00.html |
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