What's so juvenile?

EmancipationLover said:

I see you conveniently ignore the Musicology issue in the states though. Anyway, your furious intent to give Prince legitimacy through chart sales is touching but still only a rather oblique retort to my initial inference...that Prince is pretty irrelevant in today's music climate. And, if you want to start fiddling with Wikipedia again and tirelessly go down the chart sales route, try comparing Lotusflower to anything he did in the 80's..

The end.

erik319 said:
much the same Would be said if you showed an under 25 year old a picture of Prince over here in the UK. They'd probably recognise Goldfrapp though.

pald1 said:

Lotusflow3r was only released in how many countries? 2? Good point to compare... The "Musicology" issue in the US is completely irrelevant because that is one top 10 ranking being debated out of numerous Prince had in the past 6 years all over the world, while Goldfrapp only had a top 10 chart impact in the UK and Ireland.

Again: Maybe Goldfrapp has more poeple outside their hardcore fanbase willing to listen to their music than Prince has. But even if that is really the case, then still, Prince's hardcore fanbase is much bigger (judging from sales) worldwide than the hardcore fanbase of Goldfrapp plus all their occasinal listeners combined.

If that is too hard for you to understand, then it's probably really better to end this conversation. Your world is just as full of illusions and selfmade truth as that of any hardcore fam thinking that even Prince's poo still is pure gold.

EmancipationLover said:

You're quite a tiring little fellow aren't you? You think you're strongest point is that Prince's larger group of hardcore fans--willing to buy any old crap he chucks out--is basis for greater musical legitimacy. That's a twisted worldview my friend and yes, you're right, one I don't understand.

pald1 said:

It's not only his larger group of hardcore fans - it's the fact that his hardcore fans alone apparantly are more people than Goldfrapp's hardcore fans plus their casual listeners. You have made the point that no non-fan of Prince would be interested in his current music. Who gives a crap if these hardcore fans who do alone are more people than all those who can be reached by xyz combined?

Anyway, I don't konw what musical legitimacy is (when is music not legitimate?). We'll see in a few decades from now who has made the greater overall impact on popular music - Prince or Goldfrapp. If you just leave Ms. Goldfrapp herself aside and list all the people who acknowledged Prince's talent already at this stage, then I know what my prediction is.

You have made the point btw that I shouldn't bet on Prince having more chart success than Goldfrapp. I simply tried to show you that that is quite a safe bet.

Good night, I've got to go to bed. Btw, it's "your strongest point"...
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EmancipationLover said:

Basically, though all this verbiage, you've said you "don't know" and I would agree with that entirely...

...spelling correction? On a forum? You must be running out of ideas.

skywalker said:

Again, a lot of verbiage that never really addresses the original point-that you feel your ignorance is good enough defence. You just can't take ownership can you?

Her opinion on Prince means about as much to me as Lovefoxx's opinion on Michael Jackson. It's only something that someone who is a fan of both artists would really give a shit about.

Goldfrapp is about art not commerce.

2freaky4church1 said:

Goldfrapp's boring wine bar music like Sade.

Translation: You don't understand my point. That's okay. If I may be so bold...org member Militant sums up,in a very succinct manner, what I have been unsuccessfully trying to communicate:



As I said, her opinion doesn't mean anything to me...the fact that I am not hip to her only furthers my dismissal of her opinion. You chiding me for that is a bit like me chiding you for not giving a shit about my grandma's opinion on Prince. Why would I fault you for that?

pald1 said:

Well, then I'm sure you can explain to me and the rest of the world what makes music legitimate and what doesn't. I'm very interested to learn that.

Sorry for the spelling thing - I couldn't resist. I just edited that.

elmer said:

I'm not gonna make huge claims for Goldfrapp but you obviously haven't heard much based on that description,
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EmancipationLover said:

I'm not going to explain musical legitimacy to you or anyone else. That's your job. You're the Prince boy/girl intent on keeping the flame alive. I'm just here to say that it's pointless to negate someone's pov based solely on whether you may have heard of them or not.
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Create music that anyone, outside of his famship ghetto, gives a shit about for starters

skywalker said:

Translation: I won't own up to it, but that's ok, the world doesn't understand me anyway.

pald1 said:

I heard Felt Mountain a few years back, kinda film-noirish atmostphere without tunes or the beats of superior 'trip-hop' such as Portishead.

You invent a term out of thin air and then you expect me to explain that? O.k....

And you've said much more than what you now claim to have said. You've explained Prince could learn from Goldfrapp how to



Well, looking at the numbers, the only thing he can learn from them is how to have less people listening to his music in many countries.

Then you tried to advise me not to bet on Prince having more chart success than Goldfrapp in many countries. You were simply wrong with that.

pald1 said:

Hey, I don't know what you want me to own up to. I don't know her. Her opinion doesn't mean much. Should it mean anything to anyone? Simply put...that's been my position from the start.

Sorry if the "verbiage" threw you.

Also, why are you picking fights with so many people on this thread?

annastesia101 said:

Your ridiculous approach!

skywalker said:

You're tiring me out. I can't keep repeating myself. Sorry.

EmancipationLover said:

God, you and your numbers. All you've really managed to say in response to my counter claims is that you can't really compare. Um, ok. What is your argument exactly? Prince sells more than Goldfrapp, therefore...? What's your point? You've lost me.

I guess Goldfrapp haven't hit the radar in the US, despite being around 10 years:lol: Always the bridesmaid and all that


I quite like the new album, I preferred the last one though.

Who?

what the hell happened here!, Comments from other musicians / actors etc both good and bad are normally posted on here and comes under the broad heading of 'news'. So can we just take the thread for what it is i.e. light news that perhaps resonates with some some fans. There really is no need to get personal, life is too short!.

funkyhead said:

This place is going crazy. You now cannot

a, criticise
b, post another singer's criticism
c, have your own opinion

without people kicking the theread's door in like Gene Hunt, defending every single nutjob decision/lawsuit/ice-cream-van-jingle that Prince makes.

I'm seriously tired of arguing the right to having an opinion that differs from 'everything Prince has ever done is just as good as everything else he's ever done, ever'.

From now on, it's sarky punchlines and anagram threads all the way, screw attempting an actual conversation, it never goes anywhere.

funkyhead said:

This place is going crazy. You now cannot

a, criticise
b, post another singer's criticism
c, have your own opinion

without people kicking the theread's door in like Gene Hunt, defending every single nutjob decision/lawsuit/ice-cream-van-jingle that Prince makes.

I'm seriously tired of arguing the right to having an opinion that differs from 'everything Prince has ever done is just as good as everything else he's ever done, ever'.

From now on, it's sarky punchlines and anagram threads all the way, screw attempting an actual conversation, it never goes anywhere.