At nighttown it was a aftershow

Carola said:

CalhounSq said:

No, no, no...!!!
Carola is a little bit confused Calhoun...
Nighttown was a so-called "second show", not an aftershow. This was a new "idea" or business "concept", first applied by the npgmc in Paris and Rotterdam.

It basically meant that, although Prince and the band peformed at several aftershows in the US and UK and Ireland with free exclusive entrance for members, or a small fee, that in Rotterdam and Paris these shows costed 100 Euro per ticket. Members were not offered a discount, nor their guests. Tickets were sold to the general public as well.

100 Euro meant twice as much as the normal concert ticket. The normal concert ticket was already twice as expensive as the last time he toured here, more than 4 years ago. How come the "second show" tickets were so expensive? Well... At the last moment quite a few French and Dutch people joined the Club and so there was clear cut opportunity for the npgmc to make extra money. To those couple of thousand members and guests and the general public one can easily sell a "second show" in a small venue for 100 Euro per ticket. Not that the pre-sale went smooth, because the Npgmc servers couldn't handle all the traffic and many were already left out because of that.

And so it happened, despite many members feeling ripped off by the example set in other countries and the clear promise of so-called "exclusive perks and opportunities to get into aftershows". The Club basically changed the title into "second show", sold it to the general public as well and raised the ticket fee with 400%. Without any explanation on the why, when and how. They simply refused to answer emails concerning this matter and did not post information on the site.

And it is no joke. Prince concert tickets in Holland )and in Europe in general) were twice as expensive as the last time he visited. And his "legendary" aftershow tickets were four times as expensive. I listen to Nighttown with that in mind and I wonder about that "respect" he truly has.


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[This message was edited Sun Jan 19 15:40:05 PST 2003 by Abrazo]

I have been 2 the AFTERPARTY on 15 okt. at nigttown Rotterdam Holland as a member.( and it was great)
The show on 2 nov.was a second show u got that right and it was a lot bigger than 15 okt. and worth the money 1000 times !!!

Natasha said:

Prince charges U.S. audiences sometimes twice as much as the Europeans. Europe gets better setlists and aftershows, the U.S. gets to foot the bill for Europe's lower ticket prices.

GoldNigga said:

No, no , not anymore; read my post above.

If I am remembering correctly, the prices for the U.S. One Nite Alone tour ranged from $85 to $150.

And he did not play that many aftershows in the U.S. I saw him in Chicago and there was no aftershow, so the free aftershow admission for NPG Music club members was useless when there was no aftershow.

Great thread CalhounSq!

Maybe he feels the European audience is more receptive to and accepting of his idiosyncratic ways. That in turn makes him feel more comfortable when he plays here.

I don't know. He does get quite a drubbing in the press here tho.

Natasha said:

Bzzzt! Wake up! There's plenty of guns in Europe. Europe has guns, gangs, drugs, terrorists, street crime etc. It's bullshit that the Europeans are more loyal because they travel to see Prince. Lots of Americans travel to see him, taking their vacation time from work, spending money on air fare, taxis and hotels and what does he give us? He gives his loyal American fans half ass Hit-N-Run shows with no aftershow.

That's why he has lost so many American fans. Nobody wants to keep spending top dollar for entertainment and getting ripped off and gypped on Peanut Head's tired Take Me With U/Raspberry Beret medleys.


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Swinger said:

Oh god it's her again..the perennial PMS-er..here's a bottle of Midol and a roadmap to Sourpuss Estates Swinger

You know after listening to Bataclan & Nighttown at least 10 times each, I conclude that these were incredible and the aftershows in the USA did not touch these. Just my opinion though. I don't have Copenhagen and Dublin yet - but I am sure they are serious as well.

Swinger said:

...I dont have to change my tampon because I'm not on my period like you always are..constantly bitching and moaning 8 days a week

ra ra! sis boom ba!--I made the Prince cheerleading team oh my "gawd" heheehe!

Abrazo said:

Yes but y'all got quite an ass kicking, right? I'd say it was worth it!

Put it like this: had he charged for the aftershow in Vegas & played like he did @ Nighttown or Bataclan, I would have complained like a big bitch BUT I would have paid, went & walked out the door holding my ass going, "DAMN!!!" - it would have been worth it in the end...

Thanks for the clarification, btw!




kick my edits' ass.
[This message was edited Sun Jan 19 18:26:08 PST 2003 by CalhounSq]

CalhounSq said:

There weren't that many 'real' world tours he did.
Until 1986 all tours were American (except for 3 !!!) dates in Europe.
The Parade tour started in the US. Then Europe and Japan
The SOTT tour never reached the US only Europe.
Lovesexy - Europe, America, Japan
Nude Tour - Europe, Japan
Diamonds & Pearls - Japan, Europe
Tour - America (Act I), Europe (ActII)
Gold Tour - Europe, Japan
Love4OneAnother Charities Tour - America
Jam Of The Year Tour - America
New Power Soul Tour - America, Europe, America, Europe
Hit N Run 2000/2001 - America
ONA - America, Europe, Japan

It was said in the past, not sure if this is still the case, that in Holland (and possibly the rest of Europe as well) the artists are made to work harder. The audience first would like to see what he/she can do before giving themselves the full 100%. Where compared to the US the artist enters the stage and the audience is sold. Here they have to show their showmanship and musical skills first before.

CalhounSq said:

Nono.oh...'m sorry. NO diarrhea, it's enough! Wrong thread neither. Possible wrong forum.

:wink2:

Not only are the show better in Europe,

but the PREACING is less or not there at all!


Why?- c above?>!

JeePee said:

If that is Prince's performance philosophy, that explains why there are empty seats at some of his Midwestern U.S. shows. People know when they are being short-changed.

In 2000, I went to a Prince afterparty that was one of the worse Prince experiences I've ever had. People paid $20 admission and were packed into a club like sardines waiting more than 3 hours for Prince to arrive. When he finally came in, he stayed for less than 10 minutes in a VIP area and left. People were really pissed off.

When Prince came through again the following year, the afterparty was at the same club but this time, it was only half full. People had learned their lesson from the last time and didn't bother going to the club. Once again, there was no show just a "party" with Prince in the VIP area away from the fans.

Maybe Prince gets more energy and enthusiasm from European audiences because they know that he will give them something special. He has short-changed some of his American audiences so many times that they just go to the show and applaud in all the right places and go through the motions and don't expect him to do anything special because he never has before.

Of course, none of this applies to New York or Los Angeles, where Prince always makes sure to give them something memorable.

nunatak said:

Whuuutt ? There's a Dublin aftershow boot ?

Nobody has mentioned the Marquee aftershow. Is it the only one not in circulation?

Marrquee IS in circulation.

It Rocks.

Whoops - ya London as well. All the late night shows in Europe were part of an incredible meal - worth savouring! Possibly better than sex.

I'm not saying he hasn't given N.Y. the most Fantastic shows. I was simply saying I wish he did more shows in N.Y. and I wish the USA got Sign O The Times and the Nude Tour. I get Jealous when I hear the songs he does over there which are Different to Ours over Here. The Europeans are lucky to be able to take a train and go to Numerous shows,whereas the USA people have to Fly and book Hotels. It's Much more Expensive for us to go to numerous shows unless of course we drive but still the Hotels and all. The European countries are Nearby.

ya - it is easy for the Europeans to see 7 or more shows without too much effort. I was there and saw a bunch (all within 5 hours of Amsterdam).

What is so great about EUROPE..not prince ...is that Eurpoe is about 10 to 15 years ahead of us in rights and technology...funny thatthe US is supposedly the leading country...hehe

CalhounSq said:

I didn't go. As much as it was also nearly impossible to order tickets through the npgmc (which left many out already), my guest refused to pay 100 Euro's, since this was clearly 4 times as much as last time. I agreed that if Prince really wants to have fun and give an "ass-kicking" he would have asked a reasonable price. Don't forget Calhoun that 100 Euro = 100$ and that that amount of money is worth a lot more here than in the US. Most artists ask about 30$ for a concert ticket. Prince asks twice as much.

What concerts are $30 these days???

RDHULL said:

Edit:I apologize for the rude smartass comment--I cant write in other languages very well either and it was not right to make fun of others in that aspect.
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Thank you.
[This message was edited Mon Jan 20 11:43:52 PST 2003 by Carola]

ian said:

Co-sign. Prince would never play a set list like he did on the The Gold Experience Tour{just to give an example} in the U.S.,because simply put, Americans would be upset and disgruntled at not hearing "The Hits" and he knows this. So as a result, you won't get a set list like the Nightown list you provided. You have people like us who want to hear him kick out some lesser known gems, some unrelased stuff and what have you. Then you have the others who want "Raspberry Beret", "1999"{even though it's 2003} and "Delirious".

The other day I was at the CD store and I was telling this lady that Prince has a 3-CD live set out and the first thing that came out of her mouth is "I hope he has mostly old stuff on it like "Purple Rain" because if not, then I don't want it"...hence my overall point of this post.

Brother915 said:

Although in reality this time around it was the Americans who got the non-hits from TRC and covers while Europe got more hits and oldies.