^ Yeah and Madonna and van Halen are in the same league as PRINCE

This is ridicules.... the point is... It would sell... and not only for 'Prince fans' but also the 'common' folks... they all know When Doves Cry, Purple Rain etc. etc.

I'm having problems with this part of the discussion eversince, i have to admit...
Folks, do you really, i mean do you REALLY think that guy ever has to work again to pay his bills? He's not depending on "sales numbers" anymore, guess why he even had the "choice" to leave a major contract, while other musicians spend their whole lives fighting to get one? He's still one of the most well-known pop stars worldwide, do you really think he couldn't get any deals anymore if he wanted?? And if so, then why the heck do you think putting live stuff out has to do with sales and dollar bills?
It's not about the money here, guys. And furthermore, the money thing sure isn't a reason for us fans to be understood imho.

The main point is, the whole Prince saga has become a ridiculous ego thing in the last years. Not that it hasn't always been a part of his image, but over the last years, he seems to have forgotten that there's more to it. Music and pleasing the fans that made him what he is, in the first instance.

Sorry for my bad language, but while he's still an awesome musician, one of the most talented song writers and a baaad guitarist, he's just behaving like an asshole to the people he built his life on.

lotusflower said:

stop with the straw man argument shit..madonna and van halen were used as exmaples..nobody said they are in th e same league or not..

no, remasters will not sell enough to make a profit they rarely do

but that shouldnt deter him or other artists from doing them as they are usually created for other reasons than soley to make a buck

xlr8r said:

My 'SHIT' where also examples! We can do this all we like, we wont see any Live release of Dortmund or Atlanta anytime soon!
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FunkyDissCo said:

Stop blaming it all on Prince as if you know. He wants to do remasters and stuff but lawyers on both sides muck it up.

xlr8r said:

I don't understand. You just said: "no, remasters will not sell enough to make a profit they rarely do. but that shouldnt deter him or other artists from doing them as they are usually created for other reasons than soley to make a buck"

That was what i was saying, in other words (well, part of it). Sure i don't know more than anybody else here, but that doesn't make my point invalid imo.
The point is, I'm not even talking about remastered versions of WB albums, I'm talking about recent live shows and unreleased vault material. I don't see the problem there with the "lawyers" you mention.

It would make money for Warner Brothers, that's why.

Prince has a history of trying to "punish" people with whom he feels have betrayed him or in some way "done him wrong". So he will "punish" fans for not attending the LoveSexy tour by refusing to play in his home country for 9 years. He will completely demolish a muli-story muli-million dollar home just so a ex-wife couldn't get it. He will end friendships if the friendships can't be on HIS terms. And he will deny most of his most loyal followers of his music with what he KNOWS they want, just to keep someone else from making a cent (by they way, I DO understand why he wouldn't want to do that but my question is to what extreme).

I would also say that insecurity may be at the root of it all. We all know that Prince is a perfectionist and he is no question, a genious. BUT, I don't think Prince is as much of a genious as people in general believe that he is, and I think he is a bit paranoid that people as a whole, will discover this. With Prince being the genious he is, I also think his reality is a bit warped, which is common amongst his kind. Plus, Prince as we all know, can just simply be a jerk.

Who knows, and knowing Prince we will probably never find out.

*NOTE* This is all opinion, so please do not ask me for proof.
[Edited 3/5/10 12:52pm]

It's not about the money here, guys. .

^ Yeah and Madonna and van Halen are in the same league as PRINCE

This is ridicules.... the point is... It would sell...

lotusflower said:

Madonna might not be in the same musical league , but when it comes to sales then things are a little different. She has sold how many albums in the past? 300 millions? Same goes for "Queen" btw. Prince has sold about 80 or 90 million albums worldwide i guess... [Edited 3/5/10 18:13pm]

Soulstar77A said:

100 million albums

dance4me3121 said:

and he's not been with a major label for the most part

LondonStyle said:

I think you'll find that the majority of that 100 million sales came from his major label released albums.

chances r prince has the most self-managed public profile of any celeb out there;
he only wants 2 b seen in certain ways

muleFunk said:

Oh please, right now he makes zilch and the bootleggers still run with his shit.

So your argument makes no sense.

It would make money for Warner Brothers, that's why.

I think him being the control-freak he is, n 110% perfectionist

I think he's aware that a large percentage of people will just get his past albums from the net. These days people are more motivated to pay for the physical copy if it's brand spanking new.

It would make money for Warner Brothers, that's why.

The Beautiful Experience (1994) or Love 4 One Another (1996)

We all know that Prince is a perfectionist

and he is no question, a genious.

We all know that Prince is a perfectionist

PRINCE IS NOT A PERFECTIONIST.

VelvetJ said:

If you can't spell the word "genius", you're not qualified to use that label on someone.

no, remasters will not sell enough to make a profit they rarely do

but that shouldnt deter him or other artists from doing them as they are usually created for other reasons than soley to make a buck

live DVDs or music videos, he's never been one to put effort into the visual side of his work.

I really think that's the answer.

thedance said:

What's the setlist of these shows?

Tremolina said:

It makes plenty of "sense".Prince may not have the "rights" to his own material back during the WB timeframe.

AND that goes back to the theory of Prince bootlegging his own shit.

This theory has been disproven by people who claim to be on the inside of these companies so my theory is just that, a "theory".

Not to mention could there be a market for that material if you already have damn good copies that are bootlegged? If you don't have a market base of several hundred thousand customers then so one is going to even float the idea.

That's why the websites were good ideas to put material out there but he could have enlisted Orgers to do a better job that what has been done with that mess.
[Edited 3/6/10 17:40pm]

I think him being the control-freak he is, n 110% perfectionist, never satisfied, is prolly the most important reason not to release live stuff