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Reply #420 posted 02/28/10 8:00pm

theRight1

2elijah said:

theRight1 said:



It's a fresh new Prince song and I like it. I may listen to it everyday this week. Only 28 hours? I thought so. wink


I believe, according to another orger, that the NW2 stated ".....two 8 hour jam sessions" not "28 hour jam sessions" like I thought it said at first when I read it too.
[Edited 2/28/10 19:32pm]

When I heard he was releasing a new song I felt it was something he recorded quickly and recently.
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Reply #421 posted 02/28/10 8:05pm

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Wall said:

PurpleKnight said:


Edit: I'm more than a little amused by people who defend this song by claiming it's at least better than anything being made today. This statement isn't even close to being true unless you're purposely only focusing on the worst of the worst of today's pop scene. [/b]


Truer words. I often wonder when people make such a statement just what the hell they're listening to. Then I go over to Other Music and it's all answered. There's more to popular music than Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Michael Jackson and just because you bought a Joni Mitchell album doesn't mean you should consider your expansion of musical horizons a completed affair. I'm generalizing, I know, but by god, the ignorance about contemporary music on this board is at times atrocious. It suits Prince fans in a way I suppose because I don't think Prince has bothered to check out any musical movements since the New Romantics in the early 80's. There have been entire genres created, destroyed and re-imagined while Prince has done nothing but spin his musical wheels.

Most people that are serious fans of pop music are fans of Prince but it's amazing how often you meet a Prince fan whose knowledge of music doesn't go beyond associated acts or music Prince listened to when he was a kid.

Nobody in their right mind who listens to a wide breadth of music would even consider making the statement that Prince's latest output is, if not the greatest, 'at least better than everything else.'
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Spot on. I'm routinely appalled by the lack of awareness of/appreciation for other music that is displayed here. It's also distressing to see the number of people who think they need to disaparge other artists in order to defend Prince.
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Reply #422 posted 02/28/10 8:06pm

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Bohemian67 said:

It would be hilarious and a good laugh for Prince if this song is actually from a year way back then, when most here say "Prince used to make good music." cool


It clearly isn't.
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Reply #423 posted 02/28/10 8:07pm

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TwiliteKid said:

Bohemian67 said:

It would be hilarious and a good laugh for Prince if this song is actually from a year way back then, when most here say "Prince used to make good music." cool


It clearly isn't.


It wouldn't matter anyway. Prince wrote at least one bad song in every year of his career. The difference is that they were regarded as anomalies for the longest time.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #424 posted 02/28/10 8:29pm

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wasitgood4u said:

Are the lyrics maybe:

"I am what I am - be cause and effect" (makes more sense, no? And the other reading remains an association)

"Born in the image of god - an elect" (at least that way it rhymes lol )

(Oh, and my MP3 shuffle went from C&E to Prince's "Jelly Jam" and then to Sly's "Spaced Cowboy" - hmmm, C&E doesn't fare well in the comparison...)


Kinda does sound something like "god an elect" or "god's intellect" "god's in their land" & it also sounds like he changes it the 2nd time & repeats what he said the 1st time on the 3rd part. But u got me, I'm not sure. neutral
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Reply #425 posted 02/28/10 8:32pm

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Jakeasaurus said:

Prince, if you really are wanting our reactions and reading this, don't listen to all the crazy people who are saying this song is bad. Personally, this is the exact type of song I love when Prince does, in the very same vein as PFUNK/F.U.N.K.

Keep the ProTools, keep the vocal effects, the synths, and the bells and whistles. Don't listen to these fools.


Also, guys, it's "Made in the image of God's intellect" - duh. That can put to rest the "God and elect" "God and the lamb" etc stuff. Don't be daft



I'm w/ u, but it doesn't sound the same the second time.
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Reply #426 posted 02/28/10 8:34pm

babynoz

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Jump right in, the water's fine! dancing jig

The song didn't grab me but I've heard worse. Like you, I don't have particularly strong feelings about it. I figured it was some kind of jam session where he was just throwing out ideas. The religious overtones in his songs never bother me...I grew up listening to gospel music, so his abstract references to religion are lightweight to me. lol

I think tentative is a good description,


So Babynoz, what did you think about the guitar "solos" in C&E?


Check out my reply #395 biggrin

I do wonder if he's puttng the finishing touches on a new album? I remember him asking for input about Feel Better, Feel Good right before NPGMC shut down but we didn't hear of it again till LotusFlower.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #427 posted 02/28/10 9:19pm

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I have to say, it's the first real prince track (I'm not counting purple and gold, sorry) in a long time that I heard once and have no interest in hearing again.

And I really liked LotusFlower! (and parts of MPLSound)

I think what LF shared with his earlier work and which is missing in a lot of his work in the last decade is any sense of mystery, of wonder. Everything is pushed up front - he says "no more candy" but that's what he keeps giving us.
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Reply #428 posted 02/28/10 10:03pm

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I just listened again, the third time in all that I have, and it still sucks. lol disbelief I'm not giving up on Prince, as such, as I would be full of excitement if Prince began to produce quality music again, but I've given up hoping for it to happen with any sense of realistic optimism. He's probably finished. shrug
MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!!
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Reply #429 posted 02/28/10 10:10pm

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Fauxie said:

I just listened again, the third time in all that I have, and it still sucks. lol disbelief I'm not giving up on Prince, as such, as I would be full of excitement if Prince began to produce quality music again, but I've given up hoping for it to happen with any sense of realistic optimism. He's probably finished. shrug



yep, ur probably right. might as well give up now. what's the point? grenade
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Reply #430 posted 02/28/10 10:13pm

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nosajd said:

Fauxie said:

I just listened again, the third time in all that I have, and it still sucks. lol disbelief I'm not giving up on Prince, as such, as I would be full of excitement if Prince began to produce quality music again, but I've given up hoping for it to happen with any sense of realistic optimism. He's probably finished. shrug



yep, ur probably right. might as well give up now. what's the point? grenade


Too many other artists to pay attention to to make it worthwhile paying any great attention to a guy so far from his prime and so unlikely, it seems, to ever get back even close to it. I'll just keep a casual eye on him from out the corner of my eye (i.e. from general discussion forum lol )
MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!!
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Reply #431 posted 02/28/10 10:22pm

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Well, I haven't given up hope (maybe cause I just came back!). So, I still think P will perform live in the states, That is his life. You moaners and groaners wouldn't go to his next performance just because of C&E? I don't believe it! lol
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Reply #432 posted 02/28/10 11:01pm

NelsonR

I was just thinking that Prince is very fortunate that this song is being shared with the world here cool
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Reply #433 posted 02/28/10 11:05pm

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Farfunknugin said:

As one of his strongest supporters over the years I'm left saying "meh" once again with this track. In fact I've only listened to it once, says it all. This song is just another in a long line of ego strokes. It's getting old to the point of absurdity. The self boasts & trademark poses are just sad to me.

When he starts writing from the heart & soul and stops writing from the ego then I'll be more likely to pay attention.
I agree with every word of this.

I do too.
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Reply #434 posted 02/28/10 11:10pm

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ronnwinter said:

All it needs it some simple editing...
Take the intro and the outro...cut out everything in between. Loop it 30 times and BAM..you have a cool instrumental jam by Prince.

I thought the verses, and to a lesser extent, the chorus, suck the energy out of the song, so I put it in Audacity and cut out just about everything but the guitar solos, and got a pretty seamless instrumental out of it that's worthy of putting on repeat. I think if he had kept the rock edge throughout the song, with a more urgent verse and chorus, it could have been a great song. Again, just my opinion.
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Reply #435 posted 02/28/10 11:27pm

BoySimon

That lyric about being a superstar or growing up... a pity his older-self didn't leave that note, as it would have been interesting to see if he would have done either or... lol

Actually, it's quite catchy... don't like the mismatch beginning and end... wish that he'd kept those two songs separate... the song the beginning and end come from songs intriguing... the rockabilly heart of the tune is enjoyable if not breath-taking.
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Reply #436 posted 02/28/10 11:42pm

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For me, 'Cause and Effect" got a bit of that crazy crowded feeling which appears mostly in" Rock N Roll is alive" but also in "PFunk" and others... Sharp throws, good traction and spiced with a little psychedelic spirit. Good, fun and musically impressive, without being a song that you remember and can go on and humming.
"Cause and Effect" also got a bit of Controversy spirit, like "No more candy 4 U". Someone mentioned "Horny Toad" past here and I am prepared to agree.
In conclusion, I appreciate when the Prince makes this type of song, although even this is something which we actually heard before. But there is not much we can do about that. We can not require him to constantly change themselves and to shock us, even if sometimes it is frustrating that he is acting acting safe. Why not break up completely from the old band members and locking himself in a garage with a local jazz band and see what happens. Or throw out on a tour, alone only with his piano.

I like "Cause and Effect", and disturbed only by the fact that the Prince stuck in religion, and that it has bad influence on his music. For me, living in Scandinavia, besides, it is inconceivable and unintelligible that people in a so many regards highly developed country like the United States in 2010 still believe in religions!? But I guess it's an entirely different discussion biggrin


You will believe in Religion when the "Days of Wild" hit! eek razz
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Reply #437 posted 03/01/10 12:14am

LilCub

Well, the song is just simply embarrassing. I think he may have writer's block
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Reply #438 posted 03/01/10 12:23am

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Whats up with the production on this track? Sounds like it was recorded on the same day as "Purple and gold".

Apart from Colonized Mind, Dreamer and Walls of Berlin, I really don't think Prince can record a great rock song!

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Reply #439 posted 03/01/10 12:41am

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Apart from Colonized Mind, Dreamer and Walls of Berlin, I really don't think Prince can record a great rock song!


Nor are any of the songs you mention. Dreamer is the closest and its so heavily reliant on Hendrix that it should be labeled a cover. I think Boom is one of the better things he's done in the past few years but it's ultimately still no better than a b-side.

One of the strangest things about Prince's career is that live he can seemingly rock as hard as any non-metal act over the past 20 years but when he enters the studio, there is some bizarre disconnect and all of his guitar laden material ends up sounding contrived, over-produced and hyper polished. I think Fury is the best example of this. On record it's an okay pop song but when he did it on Saturday Night Live he entered a stratosphere that only he seems to have access to. Off the top of my head, even though the groove becomes rather redundant, I can't think of anything off of his albums that is as solidly performed as Bambi.
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Reply #440 posted 03/01/10 1:27am

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Well maybe it's time he just release live albums then. That would b great music
Welcome 2 The Dawn
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Reply #441 posted 03/01/10 1:43am

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MIRvmn said:

Well maybe it's time he just release live albums then. That would b great music

Legacy live albums and chronological collections of unreleased music, works for me. cool
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Reply #442 posted 03/01/10 2:48am

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wow, the last minute or so rocks! i wish the rest of the song was as good but still like it.
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Reply #443 posted 03/01/10 3:23am

purplesweat

Kara said:

ronnwinter said:

All it needs it some simple editing...
Take the intro and the outro...cut out everything in between. Loop it 30 times and BAM..you have a cool instrumental jam by Prince.

I thought the verses, and to a lesser extent, the chorus, suck the energy out of the song, so I put it in Audacity and cut out just about everything but the guitar solos, and got a pretty seamless instrumental out of it that's worthy of putting on repeat. I think if he had kept the rock edge throughout the song, with a more urgent verse and chorus, it could have been a great song. Again, just my opinion.


I've found this with so many of his recent songs. Guitar and instrumentals he is still fantastic, lyrics are just ridiculously lame.
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Reply #444 posted 03/01/10 3:33am

tomds

I think it's a very good song.
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Reply #445 posted 03/01/10 4:06am

CoCoCrip

Brothers and sisters, Eye sit here and must grin
No wonder He has an issue with His next of kin
What's with all The Hatred? Why all The Strife?
Are we not gathered here 2 get through this thing called life?

The Cause of The CONfusion, ONE would have 2 suspect
Is The Lack of understanding The Image of God's intellect
Eye've PROvided a link that might help clear things up
But by no means am Eye saying that U must drink from that cup

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1014.htm

No child is bad from The Beginning, was that not made clear?
Eye Am troubled by all The Child abuse going on around here
IT transcends The Physical, IT hurts more than a slap
What is The Cause and effect of labeling any child, "crap"?

Is IT better 4 ONE 2 keep The Children under lock and key
Sheltered from all The Haters and those that wannabe?
If The Children were orphans would this have been The Reaction?
Behold The Cause and effect on The Late Michael Jackson

But that's anOTHER subject perhaps 4 anOTHER court
If U want 2 go there, U'll have 2 stamp your own passport
Eye Am here, where are U? Are U still stuck in The Past?
Remember, my 'friends', all good things, they say, never last

Anyway, 4give Me 4 interrupting, and putting my two cents in
But all this lack of compassion just adds 2 The Urge 2 taste sin
Seems The Thieves won't be happy until The Last temple's destroyed
Only then will The Fruits of ONE's labor truly be enjoyed

-> CoCoCrip <-

"Drugs Just Make U Smaller"

"Did U Ever Stop 2 Wonder Why U Put Another Down?
No Man Should Asunder, The Joy That Another Man Found"
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Reply #446 posted 03/01/10 4:19am

Bordi

BRING BACK THE OLD STYLE!
The 80's sounds is what he needs. So what if that was 30+ years ago and no one today likes it. No one diggs your music anyway, dont you remember that? P was unique in the way that he made music like no other, now hes trying to hard to catch the eyes of potential new fans. Stick with your real fans and make music people wont like because its different, not music people dont like because its straight up SHIT.

Im Sorry :'( (L)
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Reply #447 posted 03/01/10 4:46am

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Bordi said:

BRING BACK THE OLD STYLE!
The 80's sounds is what he needs. So what if that was 30+ years ago and no one today likes it. No one diggs your music anyway, dont you remember that? P was unique in the way that he made music like no other, now hes trying to hard to catch the eyes of potential new fans. Stick with your real fans and make music people wont like because its different, not music people dont like because its straight up SHIT.

Im Sorry :'( (L)



Go pop in Purple Rain & you'll feel better.
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Reply #448 posted 03/01/10 4:48am

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theRight1 said:

2elijah said:



I believe, according to another orger, that the NW2 stated ".....two 8 hour jam sessions" not "28 hour jam sessions" like I thought it said at first when I read it too.
[Edited 2/28/10 19:32pm]

When I heard he was releasing a new song I felt it was something he recorded quickly and recently.


On what feasible real information did you base this feeling?
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Reply #449 posted 03/01/10 4:49am

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garganta said:

wow, the last minute or so rocks! i wish the rest of the song was as good but still like it.

me too
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