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Reply #330 posted 02/28/10 8:54am

tomato

Fauxie said:

tomato said:

I seriously wish there was a sister forum called "IhatePrince.org" so this one would remain for kinder more interesting type of exchanges. The amount of vitriol/entitlement/sarcasm that people have in their hearts to share amazes me.

Just an absolute lack of recognition of a human being who has given his entire existence over to the pursuit of artistry. Even if you like none of his music, that lifelong pursuit alone would color the way one reflects about his work. I certainly feel such consideration for all the people I call true artists.

There is something at stake in the way they express themselves; therefore "failure" is part of their work, and that's how it should be. They're not the conventional industry puppet out to get rich and famous. There is dedication and emotion in their work. I respect that. Who cares if the occasional song is not for me? I just move on. I'm interested in dissecting what works, not in pretending that I could outBeatle The Beatles. Let's prove our genius in our own music and let everybody else do the same.


blahblah

You're basically suggesting an alternate org for people who disagree with your view of Prince and his music. That's not a very tolerant, open attitude is it? smile



No. I'm not into censoring views. I'm pleading for expressing any view in a manner that isn't solely targeted to ridicule someone/something. It gets tiring. And sure, it's my prerogative to ignore annoying comments. Still, there's nothing wrong with appealing to some people who might agree with this sentiment.
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Reply #331 posted 02/28/10 9:52am

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NelsonR said:

i took another listen...still not feeling it.
i consider myself to be a loyal prince fan,
but i'm looking for something else...something
inspirational, not arrogance.

with that b'ing said, i'll probably be jamming
to this for the rest of the week

biggrin


You're not feeling it but you'll probably be jamming to it for the rest of the week? Why? If you don't like it, you simply just don't like it. It sounds like you are trying to force yourself to like it.

People like to rave about how Prince is an individual who is going to do as he pleases and then tell people that they should just shut up and not comment about it if they don't like it. But what they fail to realize is they are individuals too with their own tastes and when you try to force yourself to like something just because Prince made it, you're not doing your own thing, you're doing Prince's thing.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #332 posted 02/28/10 10:17am

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It would be hilarious and a good laugh for Prince if this song is actually from a year way back then, when most here say "Prince used to make good music." cool
"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #333 posted 02/28/10 10:28am

Purpracer2

So, bottom line is... some people like the song, some people love the song, some people hate the song, some people say it's okay... some say great, some say his worst ever. I think that pretty much sums up everything. LOL. As a guitar player, I love the guitar... now I shall go write a song of my own... and no, I shant put it on here 4 fear that I will have a huge inferiority complex. smile
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Reply #334 posted 02/28/10 10:32am

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And that's what happens around here everytime a new release comes out.

The internet and talk radio made people think that people gives a damn about their opinions.
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Reply #335 posted 02/28/10 10:39am

zaza

Bohemian67 said:

It would be hilarious and a good laugh for Prince if this song is actually from a year way back then, when most here say "Prince used to make good music." cool

Exactly lol
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Reply #336 posted 02/28/10 10:40am

BlackandRising

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I put this through my stereo (by hooking the computer to it of course, downloading is bad lol).

If you are relying on the Current's stream and computer speakers, you're not doing the song justice. It sounds completely different. The LF mp3 is much better to listen to.


exactly. I purposely waited to read the inevitable vitriol about the song until I had it on the ipod and listened to it in my car. I actually love it. Love the message, love the music.
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Reply #337 posted 02/28/10 10:41am

BlackandRising

ludwig said:

lazycrockett said:


The usa is full of idiots obviously.

That's a bit harsh. There are a lot of very intelligent indivduals living there, but also a lot of complete idiots. You'll find stupid people in every country, but the amount has imho a lot to do with the educational system and welfare system. And europe has much higher standards than the USA. Cause and effect.
[Edited 2/28/10 1:15am]


why even dignify something like this with a response?
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Reply #338 posted 02/28/10 10:45am

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I like it . its not my new favorite song of all time but i do like it. Im spoiled , i am so used to the older stuff, the new stuff takes a minute to grow on u ,where as the old stuff was and is on hit as soon as u hear it
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Reply #339 posted 02/28/10 10:52am

Bohemian67

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tomato said:

Fauxie said:



blahblah

You're basically suggesting an alternate org for people who disagree with your view of Prince and his music. That's not a very tolerant, open attitude is it? smile



No. I'm not into censoring views. I'm pleading for expressing any view in a manner that isn't solely targeted to ridicule someone/something. It gets tiring. And sure, it's my prerogative to ignore annoying comments. Still, there's nothing wrong with appealing to some people who might agree with this sentiment.


I agree with you Tomato and I know some who have deleted their account and left here because of the poison. ie. the way people express their dislike. Freedom of speech is one thing, of course people are entitled to express a like and dislike. But here it often just turns into personal attacks on the artist and people, which has nothing to do with the content of music but egos competing to see who can be the most indecent. Pity these people never look and judge themselves the way they judge Prince and others.

But one thing you can be sure of, if you do choose to support Prince wholeheartedly as a human being and artist, within decent borders of critiscim that is CAUSE enough for the bitchsquad to REACT.
"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #340 posted 02/28/10 11:17am

Wall

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Bohemian67 said:

tomato said:




No. I'm not into censoring views. I'm pleading for expressing any view in a manner that isn't solely targeted to ridicule someone/something. It gets tiring. And sure, it's my prerogative to ignore annoying comments. Still, there's nothing wrong with appealing to some people who might agree with this sentiment.


I agree with you Tomato and I know some who have deleted their account and left here because of the poison. ie. the way people express their dislike. Freedom of speech is one thing, of course people are entitled to express a like and dislike. But here it often just turns into personal attacks on the artist and people, which has nothing to do with the content of music but egos competing to see who can be the most indecent. Pity these people never look and judge themselves the way they judge Prince and others.

But one thing you can be sure of, if you do choose to support Prince wholeheartedly as a human being and artist, within decent borders of critiscim that is CAUSE enough for the bitchsquad to REACT.


Oh please. I don't think I've had to endure more name calling in my life (and you're talking to a balding person with one arm, half a foot and a glassy, lazy eye) than the dimwitted vulgarities slung my way over the years for stating my opinion on Prince's latest musical output. The vicious personal attacks come from the fams who ask such questions as "Is Prince a prophet," not from those open to discussing the lack of quality in Purple and Gold.

Then again, I see you joined in 2009. Welcome to the .org; get used to it or try and get Houequake going again. There's nothing else for it, I'm afraid.
No hard feelings.
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Reply #341 posted 02/28/10 11:21am

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Bohemian67 said:

It would be hilarious and a good laugh for Prince if this song is actually from a year way back then, when most here say "Prince used to make good music." cool


- For me, it sounds like an outtake from ´Lotus´. Some parts of it remind me of ´Wall of Berlin´.
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Reply #342 posted 02/28/10 11:26am

cream72

Tame said:

ernestsewell said:


First off, don't use the Bible to come against someone on a prince fan site in order to justify your delusions about Prince. That verse has nothing to do with someone putting your nonsense on blast.

If you sit up in here and act like a fool, don't be defensive when someone calls you out on it.



Maybe I'm a fool in your eyes, but Love doesn't play the fool in God's eyes. A lot of those posts on the other thread were downright mean, and no one has the power to belittle me for feeling compassion 4 Prince.

Prince doesn't wanna sit at home and read a bunch of mean tangled junk...Either U like the song or not...It was that simple...Prince writting a song called, "Cause & Effect," wasn't some Trumpeted announcement that called on the bitterness to come out of the woodwork.

I did feel sorry 4 Prince, and so did several other people because they recognized it too.

Another thing Earnest...Do U really believe in delusions? or is that an oxymoron for "lost dream?" A delusion is only for someone without any faith. I have faith. I'm smart enought to say that I may have some kind of "Pipe Dream," but delusions are for people that have tried to understand psychology, and never did! cool


I agree...saying you dont like the song is fair enough but to attack prince is another i think these people who think prince aint writing good songs anymore should just find another artist to listen to instead of hoping hes gonna come up with another masterpiece... is it his BEST song NO...Do i like it YES this song could be another feelbetter feelgood feelwonderful song NOT to be released anytime soon smile
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Reply #343 posted 02/28/10 11:28am

cream72

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

80rn7rue said:

Oh more playign around incase nobody noticed the reverse lyric near the end says ' Contracts just make you smaller '

Sorry if already been posted smile

And yet he keeps signing new ones with each album! lol ironic.
[Edited 2/27/10 14:54pm]


yeah signing ones on HIS terms wink
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Reply #344 posted 02/28/10 11:44am

IstenSzek

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violetblues said:

Which at this point in his career is cool, when you reach icon status, are well-off financially and dont really NEED please anyone with your art to make a living, you deserves to please yourself and fuck whatever one thinks.


but it seems like he wants to know what people think and he wants to be
talked about and on the radio more than ever these days.

at least in the npgmc days he truly didn't seem to give a fuck and it
endeared me to him.

now he's sending songs to radiostations for input and feedback? hmm, it
sounds to me like his fanbase, on his site could do that too. lol.

but anyway, he shouldn't have to want to know. wether we like the shit
or not is irrelevant, i agree. he's earned my respect already and the
respect of hundreds of thousands of others too.

he's the one that keeps contacting people in the biz to ask them what
they think etc.

and that's rediculous. the way the people on the current promoted this
new song, it's pretty much obvious that they haven't even heard Lotus.
if they had, they would have said different things about this song (i
don't mean negative things, just different things in relation to his
guitarskills and his rocking out).

whenever journalists write about him, interviewers introduce him or
dj's play a new song, they always continue to talk more about his old
old ooooold music (which is indeed brilliant) and seem to have hardly
any idea of what he's been up to the last 15 yrs apart from a few
very public outings.

and yet, WE are the ones who are stuck in the past? puhlease. we might
like the old music somewhat more, due to it's greatness and due to
nostalgia but we (well, i, lol) have kept up with every release and
every online venture of the man.

that just makes it feel strange as to we are usually labeled the bad
guys, either sideways through his own channels or directly on here,
by his rabid followers.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #345 posted 02/28/10 11:44am

HonestMan13

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ludwig said:

NouveauDance said:


I think it's more because stuff like The Cross are great tracks. Cause & Effect is not.

Terrible song is terrible, no other justification is needed.

Exactly. Even though I dislike the religious blah on TRC I really like the album because the music and production is excellent. Cause and effect is just not as good.


The point I'm trying to make is when Prince talked about God during his shows in the 80's everyone was screaming "Yes!". Now if he vaguely references religion in a song he's chastised by those same people who screamed "I believe!" back then. Religion and God never had to be served up in a corset and playing a killer guitar riff for it to be accepted. Either you believe or you don't. If you do and can relate to Prince's current beliefs then cool, but if you don't it isn't a license to bash him for not being in line with your current beliefs. He's found different inspirations today than in the 80's or the 90's. Prince's religious views have been a notable sore spot on the Org for quite some time. I'm not a very religious person but I don't knock anybody who has found God no matter who it changes them or their lifestyles. Prince found God. Big deal. Ask yourselves why it bothers you so much as individuals?

(This isn't soley directed at the two who responded to my original posting but at anyone who chooses to read it.)
[Edited 2/28/10 11:45am]
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #346 posted 02/28/10 11:50am

FunkiestOne

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Klyph said:

Someone said in another thread/post that Prince could never again release an album/song that would please most of his fanbase.


Not true...most people seemed to like No more Candy 4 u
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Reply #347 posted 02/28/10 11:53am

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FunkiestOne said:

Klyph said:

Someone said in another thread/post that Prince could never again release an album/song that would please most of his fanbase.


Not true...most people seemed to like No more Candy 4 u


it was crap biggrin
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Reply #348 posted 02/28/10 11:55am

cream72

MISTERHANDS said:

FunkiestOne said:



Not true...most people seemed to like No more Candy 4 u


it was crap biggrin


took me a few listens to like that one lol...each to the own i suppose cool
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Reply #349 posted 02/28/10 11:56am

IstenSzek

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MISTERHANDS said:

FunkiestOne said:



Not true...most people seemed to like No more Candy 4 u


it was crap biggrin


falloff

people will never agree
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #350 posted 02/28/10 11:59am

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plus this song is FREE...he just threw it out there as a gift. It's just as good as many of his unreleased songs and we are glad we got to hear those. This is the best he can do at the moment...just be glad that he's still making music.

There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like the song, but everyone seems so DISAPPOINTED. P is in his 50s...don't expect explosively original artistic output from anyone that age.
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Reply #351 posted 02/28/10 12:01pm

Number23

Wall said:

I don't think I've had to endure more name calling in my life (and you're talking to a balding person with one arm, half a foot and a glassy, lazy eye)

More half glass negativity from you. This is prince.org, pal. Home of blinkered bullshit in the face of all evidence to the contary. What you should have written is that you have some hair, one full foot, one working arm and one perfect eye.
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Reply #352 posted 02/28/10 12:01pm

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FunkiestOne said:

plus this song is FREE...he just threw it out there as a gift. It's just as good as many of his unreleased songs and we are glad we got to hear those. This is the best he can do at the moment...just be glad that he's still making music.

There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like the song, but everyone seems so DISAPPOINTED. P is in his 50s...don't expect explosively original artistic output from anyone that age.


falloff I'm sure he's so proud to hear your vigorous defense of him!
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Reply #353 posted 02/28/10 12:03pm

IstenSzek

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Efan said:

FunkiestOne said:

plus this song is FREE...he just threw it out there as a gift. It's just as good as many of his unreleased songs and we are glad we got to hear those. This is the best he can do at the moment...just be glad that he's still making music.

There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like the song, but everyone seems so DISAPPOINTED. P is in his 50s...don't expect explosively original artistic output from anyone that age.


falloff I'm sure he's so proud to hear your vigorous defense of him!


free lotusflow3r tshirts for all the positivos

woot!

i guess i won't be receiving one this time either lol
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #354 posted 02/28/10 12:04pm

cream72

FunkiestOne said:

plus this song is FREE...he just threw it out there as a gift. It's just as good as many of his unreleased songs and we are glad we got to hear those. This is the best he can do at the moment...just be glad that he's still making music.

There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like the song, but everyone seems so DISAPPOINTED. P is in his 50s...don't expect explosively original artistic output from anyone that age.


Exactly not as if they paid for it people complains that hes sitting on all this unreleased material and when he releases it they complain more...you either like it or you dont smile
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Reply #355 posted 02/28/10 12:06pm

catpark

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catpark said:

I love it! loving the guitar and drums on it, can't wait to hear it in wma.
Cannot believe the negativity here on Prince disbelief

Yes!
Agree with your sentiment.
Is there a better quality version"out there"? wink

Well I have a mp3 of it, wish it was on loseless wma or wave or whatever u call. But can't complain first time I heard it was from a orger playing down the phone for me and loved it from then so I'm pretty please with just having the mp3 for now.
Its fab song, just glad Prince is still making new music a lot of artist his age don't.
FUNKNROLL! dancing jig "February 2014, wow". 'dre. nod
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Reply #356 posted 02/28/10 12:20pm

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Not impressed. It sounds like a quickie bland pop song where he is trying to make a statement. More of a mishmash of chaos & disorder or 90's beats and sounds. Two Prince songs so far this year/decade and it looks like it's not promising. I'd rather see him live instead of hearing every little thing he records.
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Reply #357 posted 02/28/10 12:28pm

ronnwinter

All it needs it some simple editing...
Take the intro and the outro...cut out everything in between. Loop it 30 times and BAM..you have a cool instrumental jam by Prince.
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Reply #358 posted 02/28/10 12:46pm

Ugot2shakesumt
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Mythbusters proved it is quite possible to polish a turd
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Reply #359 posted 02/28/10 1:22pm

Rightly

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aintnoboutadoubtit said:

I love the track.

It seems to be one of those divisive 'love/hate' things. Prince is creating controversy whatever.

After this reaction however, I do wonder what chances we have for that 'batch' of songs mentioned by the Radio Host ever being available on Lotusflow3r.

relevant point

What a drama!!!
still got it? or has he lost. Like in purple rain.

he's keping folk entertained

I like it but I don't agree with it's sentiments, which seem to be the opposite of Lion of Judah.
small circles, big wheels!
I've got a pretty firm grip on the obvious!
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