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Printable Tremolina said: unique said: so basically you have no idea how a court works, and don't care about hearing sides, and just want to skip to the judgement without the details as to how to arise at that point? that's why you aren't working in a court Altho' your own lack of respect and informing yourself deserve it, I don't think I will return your insult, since that only proves the weakness of your argument. I am definitely interested in hearing all sides, but the fact of the matter - that you totally ignore here - is that Prince has had the chance to speak on this for two years already, yet he hasn't said a word. Not one single word. And not when asked by the court either. He didn't even have the decency to tell the court his reasons why he would not appear to give the statement he was told to make. It's obvious that you look over those facts in some sort of drive to defend Prince on this one and that you don't understand that such behaviour will not be tolerated by a court. The fact is, the court reacted very negatively to Prince's inaction and hocus pocus with lawyers. Also, FYI, I have a very good idea of how a court works. As a lawyer I deal with them on a daily basis. Hence why I can see that Prince is only hurting himself by not saying anything, not instructing his lawyers and simply insulting the court by not appearing and not citing his reasons. Lastly, it is obvious you don't read my posts, because I have not judged Prince already and have informed myself as well as I could before expressing myself. In my posts I have expressly left open several possibilities, including yours that Morris messed it up and also a possible private explanation. I have repeatedly said I want to know what his side of the story is and only that he makes himself look guilty by the way he behaves. So I take issue with the fact that you ignore all that and just give me an ill thought out reaction. This especially when you yourself purely go on a total assumption - that you also apparantly made up all by yourself since Prince hasn't said a word on is - that he never even confirmed he would play and that the promoter just ran with him. If that were really true, you don't think his lawyers would have brought that up already by now so there would be no more case? No, you don't, apparantly because you are the one who doesn't know how it works in court. C'mon guys,....injecting realism into Princeworld is no fun. both of you, cut it out. | |
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I was wondering what happened to the thread about him being in Dublin at a restaurant???? Its gone.  Silence is Golden, But Duct Tape Is Silver | |
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Mars23 said: colm said: Here's the latest update -
Court hears of Prince concert booking Wednesday, 24 February 2010 20:05 Lawyers for the popstar Prince have told the Commercial Court that 'not one line' of an artist's contract was drafted for the singer to play at Croke Park in June 2008. Counsel for Prince, Paul Sreenan, made the observation on the second day of an action by promoters MCD for €1.7m against Prince and his agent. The singer is claiming agents WME had no authority to commit him to the performance. AdvertisementMr Sreenan put it to Keith Sarkisian of WME that 'not one line' of an artist's contract was drafted by WME for the concert. He said there were examples of the agency 'running ahead of its clients' instructions' and suggested that WME was under pressure to confirm Dublin to generate momentum for other European performances. Mr Sarkisian denied that he knew as early as 6 May that Prince was not doing the Dublin date and that he kept that information from MCD. He said he understood it to be 'a wobble', as there were always wobbles when Prince was involved and the singer tended to do things at short notice. He said the informal nature of negotiations with artists and promoters did not mean they as agents were careless or reckless. He agreed with Mr Justice Peter Kelly that the industry operated on 'my word is my bond' basis. When asked by Mr Justice Peter Kelly if Prince was an erratic person to deal with, Mr Sakisian said he would not say erratic because that might mean totally crazy but that 'Prince did things in Prince's way'. Earlier, the court heard details of dinner dates Mr Sarkisian had with Prince. The witness said the star never mentioned cancelling the Croke Park concert during two dinner dates he had with him in 2008. Keith Sarkisian was asked by Mr Justice Peter Kelly about the atmosphere at one of the dinners, which took place a short time after tickets went on sale for the Croke Park concert. Mr Sarkisian said there was no indication from the singer that there was any problem with the plans. Prince's defense is about a CONtract? Surely anyone working with him would know CONtracts are unnecessary. Con+Tract=That is the problem right there.  [Edited 2/24/10 21:56pm] Silence is Golden, But Duct Tape Is Silver | |
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unique said: grandebelle said:  Did anyone think he may have been too sick to play? How about that?  Can happen. People assume its because hes rude that he didnt play. Get the facts 1st. IF you can...  no. he would have made an announcement, they could have claimed the insurance, and they could have rescheduled. prince rarely cancels a gig due to health reasons You think he would announce he was sick? I think not. Sickness=weakness to Prince. Prince has a phobe for any sort of displayed weakness. Unless of course it is eminated through his music, then, it just becomes cool. Silence is Golden, But Duct Tape Is Silver | |
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This thread is insightful. Thanks for the updates colm. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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VinylFunk said: unique said: no. he would have made an announcement, they could have claimed the insurance, and they could have rescheduled. prince rarely cancels a gig due to health reasons You think he would announce he was sick? I think not. Sickness=weakness to Prince. Prince has a phobe for any sort of displayed weakness. Unless of course it is eminated through his music, then, it just becomes cool. he's done it before. remember his voice packed in during the musicology tour and one or two shows were cancelled? there was also a show at paisley in august or september 95 where he had the flu and told the audience that's why he wasn't going to sing much | |
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Star not very good at deadlines, agent tells court THE TWO men from the William Morris Agency were anxious for a response when they arrived at Prince’s Beverley Hills home less than two weeks before his scheduled Croke Park concert. Keith Sarkisian and Marc Geiger had waited for over a month to get an answer directly from Prince as to whether he was going to cancel the concert on June 16th, 2008. The enigmatic performer had already indicated that he was not interested in other dates on a European tour. The pair were on a salvage operation for the Dublin concert. They presented three options to Prince. He could play the concert and get a net pay day of $2.7 million (€2 million), he could cancel and give a legal reason such as being sick or he could cancel without reason. They explained that he could face potential liabilities for cancelling the show at short notice. “He got definitely agitated,” Mr Sarkisian said yesterday. “He kept saying ‘you guys got me into this mess. I’m going to have to fix it’.” When Prince confirmed for the first time that he would not be playing the concert, he expressed a desire to speak to MCD promoter Denis Desmond. “Tell the cat to chill, we’ll figure it out,” Mr Sarkisian recalled Prince saying at that June 3rd meeting. Despite the singer’s absence from the court, his mercurial personality loomed large over proceedings. Mr Sarkisian recalled having dinner at Prince’s house after tickets went on sale for the Croke Park concert. “What was the atmosphere like?” asked Mr Justice Peter Kelly. “Conversations with Prince are always interesting,” said Mr Sarkisian to a ripple of laughter. “They are usually about things such as world issues, politics or religion – not guarantees or monies.” Mr Sarkisian said he couldn’t recall if he mentioned the Dublin date at dinner in Prince’s house, but he recalled the singer was pleased to hear there was considerable interest from European promoters in him. “He was asking us to do more,” added Mr Sarkisian when asked if Prince had remonstrated with him for going ahead with the Dublin date. With the Irish date confirmed, or so WMEE thought, other promoters came on board. However, there was still no definitive answer from Prince. “Prince was not very good at deadlines,” said Mr Sarkisian. He said Prince’s assistant Ruth Arzate had told him not to press the singer “or else he could do the opposite”. Instead she suggested he write an e-mail to the reclusive star “as softly but as firmly” as Mr Sarkisian could. At the end of a long day Mr Justice Kelly said he had got the impression that Prince was a “very erratic individual”. Mr Sarkisian said it “might sound like he’s completely crazy, but it is more that Prince has ways of doing things and that may not make sense to other people.” [Edited 2/25/10 0:19am] | |
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irishwolfhound said: OperatingThetan said: Gav is on the money here. Also, upon years of observation, Gav is never shy to critique Prince if he feels it necessary. He is far from a sychophant. And yes, I read well ahead of time via Gav, that this concert would not be going ahead. i was the man who broke the Xclusive NEWS that the show was booked and happening.....lol not my fault prince pulled out.....lol he is finished N ireland now N his name is tarnished N promoter circles.... love N kisses WOLFY  Thanks....lol Really....lol...interesting....lol | |
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SugarnSpice said: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0225/1224265143081.html
Star not very good at deadlines, agent tells court THE TWO men from the William Morris Agency were anxious for a response when they arrived at Prince’s Beverley Hills home less than two weeks before his scheduled Croke Park concert. Keith Sarkisian and Marc Geiger had waited for over a month to get an answer directly from Prince as to whether he was going to cancel the concert on June 16th, 2008. The enigmatic performer had already indicated that he was not interested in other dates on a European tour. The pair were on a salvage operation for the Dublin concert. They presented three options to Prince. He could play the concert and get a net pay day of $2.7 million (€2 million), he could cancel and give a legal reason such as being sick or he could cancel without reason. They explained that he could face potential liabilities for cancelling the show at short notice. “He got definitely agitated,” Mr Sarkisian said yesterday. “He kept saying ‘you guys got me into this mess. I’m going to have to fix it’.” When Prince confirmed for the first time that he would not be playing the concert, he expressed a desire to speak to MCD promoter Denis Desmond. “Tell the cat to chill, we’ll figure it out,” Mr Sarkisian recalled Prince saying at that June 3rd meeting. Despite the singer’s absence from the court, his mercurial personality loomed large over proceedings. Mr Sarkisian recalled having dinner at Prince’s house after tickets went on sale for the Croke Park concert. “What was the atmosphere like?” asked Mr Justice Peter Kelly. “Conversations with Prince are always interesting,” said Mr Sarkisian to a ripple of laughter. “They are usually about things such as world issues, politics or religion – not guarantees or monies.” Mr Sarkisian said he couldn’t recall if he mentioned the Dublin date at dinner in Prince’s house, but he recalled the singer was pleased to hear there was considerable interest from European promoters in him. “He was asking us to do more,” added Mr Sarkisian when asked if Prince had remonstrated with him for going ahead with the Dublin date. With the Irish date confirmed, or so WMEE thought, other promoters came on board. However, there was still no definitive answer from Prince. “Prince was not very good at deadlines,” said Mr Sarkisian. He said Prince’s assistant Ruth Arzate had told him not to press the singer “or else he could do the opposite”. Instead she suggested he write an e-mail to the reclusive star “as softly but as firmly” as Mr Sarkisian could. At the end of a long day Mr Justice Kelly said he had got the impression that Prince was a “very erratic individual”. Mr Sarkisian said it “might sound like he’s completely crazy, but it is more that Prince has ways of doing things and that may not make sense to other people.” [Edited 2/25/10 0:19am] Nice work Colm | |
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Prince lawsuit: 'Just tell the cat to chill'
By Jason O'Brien Thursday February 25 2010 Given the recent antics of certain celebrities, it is somehow reassuring to catch a glimpse of Prince Rogers Nelson's life behind the closed doors of his luxury Beverly Hills home and have your preconceptions largely confirmed. "Dinners with Prince are interesting," his agent, Keith Sarkisian, told Dublin's Commercial Court to some laughter yesterday. The executive was giving evidence on the second day of an action by promoters MCD for €1.7m in compensation against Prince and his agents, William Morris Endeavour Entertainment. The singer claims the agents had no authority to confirm a concert in Croke Park that was cancelled in June 2008. Yesterday, Mr Sarkisian described a meal at the singer's home where the agent had expected to finally discuss the European concert dates he was under severe pressure to confirm. But instead of just the two of them there were five, including "a female friend I think is a singer". Unwilling to discuss Prince's business in front of three strangers -- "Prince is very private" -- the agent bided his time, only for the singer to promptly get up and leave the room. Then his security guard, Raul, told Mr Sarkisian dinner was over and it was time to leave. "You can't tell Prince to come back to dinner; at least I can't," Mr Sarkisian said, to more laughter. But, by this stage, confirming the concerts was no laughing matter for Mr Sarkisian. Tickets for the Dublin show had gone on sale in February 2008. It was now May, and he urgently needed to get confirmation of shows in Denmark, Holland and elsewhere so that they, too, could go on sale before it was too late to make it a tour. It was also in Prince's interests to the tune of an estimated $10m (€7.5m) profit from a tour, rather than $2m (€1.25m) profit from Croke Park alone. But it seems Prince likes to ask questions rather than give answers. So Prince's personal assistant and de-facto manager, Ruth Arzate, didn't ask her boss a direct question, despite being aware of the situation. Instead, she advised Mr Sarkisian to write Prince a note. Not just any note, but one written "as softly but as firmly as I could", the agent said. He did his best, telling the singer that he didn't intend "to put him under pressure but wanted to ensure that we deliver exactly what you want" and that "the goal is world domination, country by country". He didn't hear a word back. In the end, Mr Sarkisian managed to secure another meeting at the singer's home in Beverly Hills on June 3, less than two weeks before the Croke Park concert was to take place. This, Mr Sarkisian alleges, is the first time Prince started giving straight answers, and he told him the Croke Park concert wouldn't happen. More than 50,000 tickets had been sold, and Prince was agitated when faced with the cancellation options. "I'm paraphrasing here but he said, 'You guys got me into this mess, I'll have to fix it,'" Mr Sarkisian said. And Prince said he was open to talking with Denis Desmond, the music promoter who put the Croke Park gig together. "Tell the cat to chill, I'll figure it out," he had said. That drew more laughter in court yesterday, including from Mr Desmond in the gallery. Mr Sarkisian said "technically" his agency still represented Prince but while he still featured on its website, so did Elvis. Under cross-examination, Mr Sarkisian said that, when dealing with Prince, there was often "a wobble". Prince had a tendency to agree to things at the last minute, he said. But he denied that the agency had run ahead of itself by telling MCD Prince was interested in playing in Dublin before the artist had committed to it. He also denied that pressure was put on Prince to commit to play other concerts. The case continues. - Jason O'Brien Irish Independent |
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lezama said: Tremolina said: He has not much more time to explain his side of the story properly.
geez... the trial just started... No, the case has been pending since a year already. | |
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unique said: Tremolina said: Yes you did, because you said Prince's argument is that he never comfirmed in the first place. You can't know that when he hasn't said anything yet. So that's a 100% assumption on your side. And in my view you are most definetely defending prince and in a bitchy way that doesn't serve your goal at all, which by all means is fine with me, but do it with facts then. SINCE PRINCE HASN'T PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE SO FAR, the facts right now appear to be that he did agree to play and that he cancelled at the very last moment, so far not known why, again because Prince ignores the court. Like I said, time for him to come clean. If he still wants to get away with this. no, i never. read what i said. don't you understand english? i said what i thought, i never made any statements of fact You have come in here CLAIMING that was Prince's argument, but okay, so you would plead your case based on what you "think" uh? 
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Tremolina said: unique said: no, i never. read what i said. don't you understand english? i said what i thought, i never made any statements of fact You have come in here CLAIMING that was Prince's argument, but okay, so you would plead your case based on what you "think" uh?
Btw your empty insults are laughable. . i didn't claim anything, and what i type is supposed to be funny, did you just realise that? | |
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QUOTE OF THE YEAR!
MrSarkisian said it might sound like he’s completely crazy, but it is more that Prince has ways of doing things and that may not make sense to other people.
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colm said: Prince lawsuit: 'Just tell the cat to chill'
By Jason O'Brien Thursday February 25 2010 Given the recent antics of certain celebrities, it is somehow reassuring to catch a glimpse of Prince Rogers Nelson's life behind the closed doors of his luxury Beverly Hills home and have your preconceptions largely confirmed. "Dinners with Prince are interesting," his agent, Keith Sarkisian, told Dublin's Commercial Court to some laughter yesterday. The executive was giving evidence on the second day of an action by promoters MCD for €1.7m in compensation against Prince and his agents, William Morris Endeavour Entertainment. The singer claims the agents had no authority to confirm a concert in Croke Park that was cancelled in June 2008. Yesterday, Mr Sarkisian described a meal at the singer's home where the agent had expected to finally discuss the European concert dates he was under severe pressure to confirm. But instead of just the two of them there were five, including "a female friend I think is a singer". Unwilling to discuss Prince's business in front of three strangers -- "Prince is very private" -- the agent bided his time, only for the singer to promptly get up and leave the room. Then his security guard, Raul, told Mr Sarkisian dinner was over and it was time to leave. "You can't tell Prince to come back to dinner; at least I can't," Mr Sarkisian said, to more laughter. But, by this stage, confirming the concerts was no laughing matter for Mr Sarkisian. Tickets for the Dublin show had gone on sale in February 2008. It was now May, and he urgently needed to get confirmation of shows in Denmark, Holland and elsewhere so that they, too, could go on sale before it was too late to make it a tour. It was also in Prince's interests to the tune of an estimated $10m (€7.5m) profit from a tour, rather than $2m (€1.25m) profit from Croke Park alone. But it seems Prince likes to ask questions rather than give answers. So Prince's personal assistant and de-facto manager, Ruth Arzate, didn't ask her boss a direct question, despite being aware of the situation. Instead, she advised Mr Sarkisian to write Prince a note. Not just any note, but one written "as softly but as firmly as I could", the agent said. He did his best, telling the singer that he didn't intend "to put him under pressure but wanted to ensure that we deliver exactly what you want" and that "the goal is world domination, country by country". He didn't hear a word back. In the end, Mr Sarkisian managed to secure another meeting at the singer's home in Beverly Hills on June 3, less than two weeks before the Croke Park concert was to take place. This, Mr Sarkisian alleges, is the first time Prince started giving straight answers, and he told him the Croke Park concert wouldn't happen. More than 50,000 tickets had been sold, and Prince was agitated when faced with the cancellation options. "I'm paraphrasing here but he said, 'You guys got me into this mess, I'll have to fix it,'" Mr Sarkisian said. And Prince said he was open to talking with Denis Desmond, the music promoter who put the Croke Park gig together. "Tell the cat to chill, I'll figure it out," he had said. That drew more laughter in court yesterday, including from Mr Desmond in the gallery. Mr Sarkisian said "technically" his agency still represented Prince but while he still featured on its website, so did Elvis. Under cross-examination, Mr Sarkisian said that, when dealing with Prince, there was often "a wobble". Prince had a tendency to agree to things at the last minute, he said. But he denied that the agency had run ahead of itself by telling MCD Prince was interested in playing in Dublin before the artist had committed to it. He also denied that pressure was put on Prince to commit to play other concerts. The case continues. - Jason O'Brien Irish Independent interesting, the pieces are starting to come together... | |
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NelsonR said: interesting, the pieces are starting to come together... maybe prince can get away with it if he pleads insanity? maybe he is ultra super smart, far more intelligent than the rest of us put together, and he has carefully planned to act crazy in public so if he ever gets caught he can plead insanity or maybe he got the idea from a dvd. he might have been watching basic instinct [Edited 2/25/10 2:38am] | |
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Looking at the bigger picture here... Prince makes decisions when he is moved by his 'spirit' and artistic emotions. He lives in that world. Hence dropping things on a dime and doing something completely different. I truly believe he thinks all others should live the same way and rules and regulations do not apply to him. He follows God's law and i think he thinks he should not be 'bothered' with laws of the state etc.
I reckon he thinks that he can do what he likes in this respect. Which is why Prince in a court room would be a very strange but compelling experience. ----------
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nuthinbuttamuffin said: Looking at the bigger picture here... Prince makes decisions when he is moved by his 'spirit' and artistic emotions. He lives in that world. Hence dropping things on a dime and doing something completely different. I truly believe he thinks all others should live the same way and rules and regulations do not apply to him. He follows God's law and i think he thinks he should not be 'bothered' with laws of the state etc.
I reckon he thinks that he can do what he likes in this respect. Which is why Prince in a court room would be a very strange but compelling experience. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...il_Spector |
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colm said: nuthinbuttamuffin said: Looking at the bigger picture here... Prince makes decisions when he is moved by his 'spirit' and artistic emotions. He lives in that world. Hence dropping things on a dime and doing something completely different. I truly believe he thinks all others should live the same way and rules and regulations do not apply to him. He follows God's law and i think he thinks he should not be 'bothered' with laws of the state etc.
I reckon he thinks that he can do what he likes in this respect. Which is why Prince in a court room would be a very strange but compelling experience. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...il_Spector hmmm... i wouldn't go that far. but Prince in court would definitely be surreal. ----------
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nuthinbuttamuffin said: colm said: hmmm... i wouldn't go that far. but Prince in court would definitely be surreal. Just reiterating your point. Most of these superstars who have lived sheltered and privileged lives really do belive they are above the law. Granted there is no comparison in regard to the seriousness of Princes and Phil Spectors cases, but there have been many many cases like this down the years, where someone who hasn't heard the word NO for decades and has more money than common sense genuinely thinks they have their own rule book. Phil found out thats not the case. Will Prince? We'll find out this week... |
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colm said: nuthinbuttamuffin said: hmmm... i wouldn't go that far. but Prince in court would definitely be surreal. Just reiterating your point. Most of these superstars who have lived sheltered and privileged lives really do belive they are above the law. Granted there is no comparison in regard to the seriousness of Princes and Phil Spectors cases, but there have been many many cases like this down the years, where someone who hasn't heard the word NO for decades and has more money than common sense genuinely thinks they have their own rule book. Phil found out thats not the case. Will Prince? We'll find out this week... Oh i agree on that point. But with Prince i think there's more to it than not liking the word 'No'. If he lives in a world where it is truly 'organic and spiritual' and all decisions are made that way. Then he probably doesn't even feel rules apply to him even though he knows they are there and consequences can happen. A bit like The Matrix. He sees us lot living in a false world. Does that make sense? Finding it hard to explain. ----------
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nuthinbuttamuffin said: Looking at the bigger picture here... Prince makes decisions when he is moved by his 'spirit' and artistic emotions. He lives in that world. Hence dropping things on a dime and doing something completely different. I truly believe he thinks all others should live the same way and rules and regulations do not apply to him. He follows God's law and i think he thinks he should not be 'bothered' with laws of the state etc.
I reckon he thinks that he can do what he likes in this respect. Which is why Prince in a court room would be a very strange but compelling experience. I don't think he is that "surreal", I think he is simply awkward and controlling. If he thinks he should not be bothered by law, he wouldn't get his fans and staff to have to contract in blood every time. The guy uses law to his advantage more than any other artist. Look at You Tube and the cease and desists to web sites. He just seems to act like he is above the law when its the other way around. . |
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unique said: QUOTE OF THE YEAR!
MrSarkisian said it might sound like he’s completely crazy, but it is more that Prince has ways of doing things and that may not make sense to other people.
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nuthinbuttamuffin said: colm said: Just reiterating your point. Most of these superstars who have lived sheltered and privileged lives really do belive they are above the law. Granted there is no comparison in regard to the seriousness of Princes and Phil Spectors cases, but there have been many many cases like this down the years, where someone who hasn't heard the word NO for decades and has more money than common sense genuinely thinks they have their own rule book. Phil found out thats not the case. Will Prince? We'll find out this week... Oh i agree on that point. But with Prince i think there's more to it than not liking the word 'No'. If he lives in a world where it is truly 'organic and spiritual' and all decisions are made that way. Then he probably doesn't even feel rules apply to him even though he knows they are there and consequences can happen. A bit like The Matrix. He sees us lot living in a false world. Does that make sense? Finding it hard to explain. Yes, he thinks that way because his talent has brought him a huge amount of wealth allowing him to surround himself with like minded people and allowing him to live in whatever "world" he wants to without circumstance. If I was to start living my life with the same set of ideals that Prince lives his, my friends and family would wonder why I am acting crazy and tell me to snap out of it. It would be impossible to do so in what is the real world. Prince has lived a very, very different type of life to most people. Maybe its not his "fault" he is the way he is. We as a society and a race have chosen to idolise these people. |
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SquirrelMeat said: unique said: QUOTE OF THE YEAR!
MrSarkisian said ] that should be the orgs strapline instead of "independant and unofficial lies and rumours, Prince fanatic community site" or "welcome to the org...boo!" | |
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nuthinbuttamuffin said: Looking at the bigger picture here... Prince makes decisions when he is moved by his 'spirit' and artistic emotions. He lives in that world. Hence dropping things on a dime and doing something completely different. I truly believe he thinks all others should live the same way and rules and regulations do not apply to him. He follows God's law and i think he thinks he should not be 'bothered' with laws of the state etc.
I reckon he thinks that he can do what he likes in this respect. Which is why Prince in a court room would be a very strange but compelling experience. Prince has worked hard to create such an 'spiritual and artistic' image around him, but he is one of the most law minded artists out there. He has a very good idea of what his rights and obligations are and especially those of others he has a problem with. | |
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colm said: nuthinbuttamuffin said: Oh i agree on that point. But with Prince i think there's more to it than not liking the word 'No'. If he lives in a world where it is truly 'organic and spiritual' and all decisions are made that way. Then he probably doesn't even feel rules apply to him even though he knows they are there and consequences can happen. A bit like The Matrix. He sees us lot living in a false world. Does that make sense? Finding it hard to explain. Yes, he thinks that way because his talent has brought him a huge amount of wealth allowing him to surround himself with like minded people and allowing him to live in whatever "world" he wants to without circumstance. If I was to start living my life with the same set of ideals that Prince lives his, my friends and family would wonder why I am acting crazy and tell me to snap out of it. It would be impossible to do so in what is the real world. Prince has lived a very, very different type of life to most people. Maybe its not his "fault" he is the way he is. We as a society and a race have chosen to idolise these people. That's true, but Prince has chosen to let himself be idolised, even in this JW day and age. | |
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Tremolina said: nuthinbuttamuffin said: Looking at the bigger picture here... Prince makes decisions when he is moved by his 'spirit' and artistic emotions. He lives in that world. Hence dropping things on a dime and doing something completely different. I truly believe he thinks all others should live the same way and rules and regulations do not apply to him. He follows God's law and i think he thinks he should not be 'bothered' with laws of the state etc.
I reckon he thinks that he can do what he likes in this respect. Which is why Prince in a court room would be a very strange but compelling experience. Prince has worked hard to create such an 'spiritual and artistic' image around him, but he is one of the most law minded artists out there. He has a very good idea of what his rights and obligations are and especially those of others he has a problem with. i agree with this also (yes i know that sounds contradictory). i'm just speculating of course. i think the outcome of this will be very interesting. ----------
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colm said: nuthinbuttamuffin said: hmmm... i wouldn't go that far. but Prince in court would definitely be surreal. Just reiterating your point. Most of these superstars who have lived sheltered and privileged lives really do belive they are above the law. Granted there is no comparison in regard to the seriousness of Princes and Phil Spectors cases, but there have been many many cases like this down the years, where someone who hasn't heard the word NO for decades and has more money than common sense genuinely thinks they have their own rule book. Phil found out thats not the case. Will Prince? We'll find out this week... he says "no" at the start of alphabet street. wait, that was how many years ago? it's not really that serious a case for prince though. it's not a criminal case, so he's not going to jail, it's just money, and the lotusflower renewal is up soon, and he could repay the whole amount by doing one gig that he doesn't even need to let fans into if he plays for some arab or celeb we certainly shouldn't be comparing the seriousness of a cancelled rock show to someone being murdered. phil spector used to carry a gun about with him, and even fire it in the recording studio, so the consequences of saying no to him were a bit heavier than saying no to prince. you'd just end up with a bible reading or lecture if he didn't just ignore you. if you really pissed him off you'd get a knock at your door at 10am every saturday | |
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unique said: colm said: Just reiterating your point. Most of these superstars who have lived sheltered and privileged lives really do belive they are above the law. Granted there is no comparison in regard to the seriousness of Princes and Phil Spectors cases, but there have been many many cases like this down the years, where someone who hasn't heard the word NO for decades and has more money than common sense genuinely thinks they have their own rule book. Phil found out thats not the case. Will Prince? We'll find out this week... he says "no" at the start of alphabet street. wait, that was how many years ago? it's not really that serious a case for prince though. it's not a criminal case, so he's not going to jail, it's just money, and the lotusflower renewal is up soon, and he could repay the whole amount by doing one gig that he doesn't even need to let fans into if he plays for some arab or celeb we certainly shouldn't be comparing the seriousness of a cancelled rock show to someone being murdered. phil spector used to carry a gun about with him, and even fire it in the recording studio, so the consequences of saying no to him were a bit heavier than saying no to prince. you'd just end up with a bible reading or lecture if he didn't just ignore you. if you really pissed him off you'd get a knock at your door at 10am every saturday |
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