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Reply #180 posted 02/24/10 7:13am

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Sorry, Gav is spot on on this one.

Anyone else remember the grief he got for trying to give fans a heads up on this? Heads were buried in sand that month. Lucky for me I knew he wouldn't have piped up on a whim, so I cancelled my hotel room just in time.

Regardless, the whole cock up could have been avoided easily if Prince had come clean....Just like the the other gigs where he pulled this type of stunt.
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Reply #181 posted 02/24/10 7:23am

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BUT WILL HE ACTUALLY BE HERE !! this is the question , do i jump in teh car and head 4 dublin , Must say its nice of him to visit us me on my Birthday ! tehe lol lol biggrin confused cool sad biggrin

That's aff...question ??? Have a gig in Ireland then !! Looking for my father ran off before I was born Bit like Prince
lol :beret:never turns up bawl
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Reply #182 posted 02/24/10 7:32am

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mfcuker said:

BUT WILL HE ACTUALLY BE HERE !! this is the question , do i jump in teh car and head 4 dublin , Must say its nice of him to visit us me on my Birthday ! tehe lol lol biggrin confused cool sad biggrin

That's aff...question ??? Have a gig in Ireland then !! Looking for my father ran off before I was born Bit like Prince
lol :beret:never turns up bawl



MUST ADD THIS ONE nuts AT LEAST HE HAS GOT HIMSELF NOTICED AGAIN GET ALL THAT FEE MONEY BACK ANYWAY §§§§ BUT NOT FRO0M MY TINY POCKET INFO HE WALKED OUT OF A CONCERT AT AUTEUIL IN PARIS I Forgave that saw him later on at ZENITH He actually stayed to the end WOW The stones did to under an enormous thuderstorm so.....Live and let die beret shrug
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Reply #183 posted 02/24/10 7:34am

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roseberet said:

roseberet said:


That's aff...question ??? Have a gig in Ireland then !! Looking for my father ran off before I was born Bit like Prince
lol :beret:never turns up bawl



MUST ADD THIS ONE nuts AT LEAST HE HAS GOT HIMSELF NOTICED AGAIN GET ALL THAT FEE MONEY BACK ANYWAY §§§§ BUT NOT FRO0M MY TINY POCKET INFO HE WALKED OUT OF A CONCERT AT AUTEUIL IN PARIS I Forgave that saw him later on at ZENITH He actually stayed to the end WOW The stones did to under an enormous thuderstorm so.....Live and let die beret shrug


I agree! nuts
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Reply #184 posted 02/24/10 7:41am

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Part of me hopes he loses the case - whatever the intricacies, he knew 55 thousand people had bought tickets, planned travel, and were looking forward to the concert. I lost about $700 on non-refundable flights and other reservations, as I'm sure did many others...He's never given an excuse for that.

sorry - feeling better now biggrin
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Reply #185 posted 02/24/10 7:46am

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Rorywan said:

unique said:



the "news media" would never be wrong, as they've never been wrong before, have they?

if you read the rest of the news reports, it seems to confirm what i said, such as the quote "you got me into this"

it might not cost prince at all, it may cost william morris agency, and then it's up to them to pursue it with prince

prince can make $3m or $4m with one gig in one night, so i doubt he'll be losing too much sleep over it. jehova is on his side, not some bloody orangemobilephone men. prince's god is better than theirs


This was not the news media, it was an interview with Princes defence lawyers. That is what they said. Which is strange is it not? I didn't think they would be allowed to comment like that in the middle of a court case?
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did princes defence lawyers tell you that directly, were you in the court yourself, or did you hear it from the media?
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Reply #186 posted 02/24/10 7:51am

Tremolina

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Tremolina said:



You mean as in never having any sort of agreement to begin with?

I guess that's also still possible but from what I am reading it seems the case is court is already past that question.

It seems he was sufficiently represented and it seems at least some sort of deal was made in february 2008, 4 months before the planned show. Then there was money transferred and a lot of promotion and publicity made, the org was hot on it too for months and there were 55.000 tickets sold through official channels.

Then he cancelled without citing a reason and as far as I can see he never denied doing that either.

He simply said NOTHING. So it's kind hard but still interesting to guess what made this happen. lol

Please, check this article out:

http://www.irishtimes.com...ml?via=rel

and do also notice how he or his lawyers manage to piss the court off

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so basically you have no idea how a court works, and don't care about hearing sides, and just want to skip to the judgement without the details as to how to arise at that point?

that's why you aren't working in a court



Altho' your own lack of respect and informing yourself deserve it, I don't think I will return your insult, since that only proves the weakness of your argument.

I am definitely interested in hearing all sides, but the fact of the matter - that you totally ignore here - is that Prince has had the chance to speak on this for two years already, yet he hasn't said a word. Not one single word.

And not when asked by the court either. He didn't even have the decency to tell the court his reasons why he would not appear to give the statement he was told to make.

It's obvious that you look over those facts in some sort of drive to defend Prince on this one and that you don't understand that such behaviour will not be tolerated by a court. The fact is, the court reacted very negatively to Prince's inaction and hocus pocus with lawyers.

Also, FYI, I have a very good idea of how a court works. As a lawyer I deal with them on a daily basis. Hence why I can see that Prince is only hurting himself by not saying anything, not instructing his lawyers and simply insulting the court by not appearing and not citing his reasons.

Lastly, it is obvious you don't read my posts, because I have not judged Prince already and have informed myself as well as I could before expressing myself. In my posts I have expressly left open several possibilities, including yours that Morris messed it up and also a possible private explanation. I have repeatedly said I want to know what his side of the story is and only that he makes himself look guilty by the way he behaves.

So I take issue with the fact that you ignore all that and just give me an ill thought out reaction.

This especially when you yourself purely go on a total assumption - that you also apparantly made up all by yourself since Prince hasn't said a word on is - that he never even confirmed he would play and that the promoter just ran with him. If that were really true, you don't think his lawyers would have brought that up already by now so there would be no more case? No, you don't, apparantly because you are the one who doesn't know how it works in court.
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Reply #187 posted 02/24/10 7:51am

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Hi unique been a long time since...Why dont we all go over to the Irish court and do a GIG lol !! May even Prince might turn up WOW

beret beret beret lol lol


two of prince's biggest loser fans are from ireland, so i tend to steer clear

next weekend in paris though is where the party be, 8 hours of prince music and videos
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Reply #188 posted 02/24/10 8:00am

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How can we get our hands on the court case documents? (evidence, proceedings, whatever)
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #189 posted 02/24/10 8:04am

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Tremolina said:

unique said:




so basically you have no idea how a court works, and don't care about hearing sides, and just want to skip to the judgement without the details as to how to arise at that point?

that's why you aren't working in a court



Altho' your own lack of respect and informing yourself deserve it, I don't think I will return your insult, since that only proves the weakness of your argument.

I am definitely interested in hearing all sides, but the fact of the matter - that you totally ignore here - is that Prince has had the chance to speak on this for two years already, yet he hasn't said a word. Not one single word.

And not when asked by the court either. He didn't even have the decency to tell the court his reasons why he would not appear to give the statement he was told to make.

It's obvious that you look over those facts in some sort of drive to defend Prince on this one and that you don't understand that such behaviour will not be tolerated by a court. The fact is, the court reacted very negatively to Prince's inaction and hocus pocus with lawyers.

Also, FYI, I have a very good idea of how a court works. As a lawyer I deal with them on a daily basis. Hence why I can see that Prince is only hurting himself by not saying anything, not instructing his lawyers and simply insulting the court by not appearing and not citing his reasons.

Lastly, it is obvious you don't read my posts, because I have not judged Prince already and have informed myself as well as I could before expressing myself. In my posts I have expressly left open several possibilities, including yours that Morris messed it up and also a possible private explanation. I have repeatedly said I want to know what his side of the story is and only that he makes himself look guilty by the way he behaves.

So I take issue with the fact that you ignore all that and just give me an ill thought out reaction.

This especially when you yourself purely go on a total assumption - that you also apparantly made up all by yourself since Prince hasn't said a word on is - that he never even confirmed he would play and that the promoter just ran with him. If that were really true, you don't think his lawyers would have brought that up already by now so there would be no more case? No, you don't, apparantly because you are the one who doesn't know how it works in court.


i didn't make any statements based on assumptions. being a lawyer you should surely be able to understand what people are saying, and not make statements based on assumptions, which is what you did. i'm not defending prince at all, only giving an alternate view to points raised here, so people don't all join hands in agreement over something they don't know the facts about
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Reply #190 posted 02/24/10 8:19am

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Tremolina said:

unique said:




so basically you have no idea how a court works, and don't care about hearing sides, and just want to skip to the judgement without the details as to how to arise at that point?

that's why you aren't working in a court



Altho' your own lack of respect and informing yourself deserve it, I don't think I will return your insult, since that only proves the weakness of your argument.

I am definitely interested in hearing all sides, but the fact of the matter - that you totally ignore here - is that Prince has had the chance to speak on this for two years already, yet he hasn't said a word. Not one single word.

And not when asked by the court either. He didn't even have the decency to tell the court his reasons why he would not appear to give the statement he was told to make.

It's obvious that you look over those facts in some sort of drive to defend Prince on this one and that you don't understand that such behaviour will not be tolerated by a court. The fact is, the court reacted very negatively to Prince's inaction and hocus pocus with lawyers.

Also, FYI, I have a very good idea of how a court works. As a lawyer I deal with them on a daily basis. Hence why I can see that Prince is only hurting himself by not saying anything, not instructing his lawyers and simply insulting the court by not appearing and not citing his reasons.

Lastly, it is obvious you don't read my posts, because I have not judged Prince already and have informed myself as well as I could before expressing myself. In my posts I have expressly left open several possibilities, including yours that Morris messed it up and also a possible private explanation. I have repeatedly said I want to know what his side of the story is and only that he makes himself look guilty by the way he behaves.
So I take issue with the fact that you ignore all that and just give me an ill thought out reaction.

This especially when you yourself purely go on a total assumption - that you also apparantly made up all by yourself since Prince hasn't said a word on is - that he never even confirmed he would play and that the promoter just ran with him. If that were really true, you don't think his lawyers would have brought that up already by now so there would be no more case? No, you don't, apparantly because you are the one who doesn't know how it works in court.
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Reply #191 posted 02/24/10 8:20am

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Reply #192 posted 02/24/10 8:42am

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unique said:

Rorywan said:



This was not the news media, it was an interview with Princes defence lawyers. That is what they said. Which is strange is it not? I didn't think they would be allowed to comment like that in the middle of a court case?
wink
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did princes defence lawyers tell you that directly, were you in the court yourself, or did you hear it from the media?



Aah is this a trick question? I watched them say it on camera along with several million other people who tune into the news at 6?
"My God it's full of Stars"
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Reply #193 posted 02/24/10 8:45am

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unique said:

roseberet said:



Hi unique been a long time since...Why dont we all go over to the Irish court and do a GIG lol !! May even Prince might turn up WOW

beret beret beret lol lol


two of prince's biggest loser fans are from ireland, so i tend to steer clear

next weekend in paris though is where the party be, 8 hours of prince music and videos
[Edited 2/24/10 7:54am]


There are a lot of Irish fans on here who would find that very offensive.
Unique, what has happened?, I've read your posts on here for quite a long time, ur replies are normally intelligent insightful (especially legal aspects) why are you being so bitchy?
Peace.
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Reply #194 posted 02/24/10 8:46am

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This is the most important point so far from the court proceedings. It cames from the testimony of Keith Sarkisianm, an executive with the William Morris Endeavor Entertainment (WME), which acted on behalf of Prince... -
"However he said at all times WME acted on Prince's behalf and with his consent and everyone understood this both before and after tickets for the Dublin gig went on sale."
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Reply #195 posted 02/24/10 9:22am

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So far the crux of the argument is that the agents were actually agents for P but halfway during the sales he denied that they were his agents for the show?
Or am I misunderstanding?
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #196 posted 02/24/10 9:24am

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maybe he was too scared to come to Ireland, what with all the bombs and all.... wink
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Reply #197 posted 02/24/10 9:25am

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colm said:

Here's the latest...

Court hears of Prince concert booking
Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:50
The Commercial Court has been hearing details of dinner dates with the pop superstar Prince in a legal action over a cancelled concert.

An executive with the William Morris Endeavor Entertainment (WME), which acted for the singer, has described how the popstar never mentioned cancelling the Croke Park concert during two dinner dates he had with him in 2008.

The executive was giving evidence in the second day of an action by promoters MCD for €1.7m in compensation against Prince and his agents.

Prince, whose full name is Prince Rogers Nelson, claims the agents had no authority to confirm the concert.

Keith Sarkisian was asked by Mr Justice Peter Kelly about the atmosphere at one of the dinners, which took place a short time after tickets went on sale for the Croke Park concert.

Mr Sarkisian said there was no indication from the singer that there was any problem with the plans.

At the second dinner in the singer's home he said the opportunity to discuss the concerts did not arise, as the singer left the room after dinner and his security guard returned to thank him and tell him the dinner was over.

Asked by his counsel if he asked him to return to discuss matters, Mr Sarkisian said: 'You don't tell Prince to come back'.

Mr Sarkisian outlined a number of emails to Prince's personal assistant Ruth Arzate during which he says the Dublin concert was clearly confirmed.

As they started to have difficulty getting a final say on other European dates he was advised by Ms Arzate to send a note to Prince.

He said he had to be careful how to write the note and normally took direction from Ms Arzate who would 'interpret' for them.

He said he was told not to try to force an answer from the artist as it would probably make him do the opposite.

However he said at no stage in the process was it mentioned that Dublin would be cancelled and he was sending regular updates on tickets sales to Prince's personal assistant.

The first time he was definitively told that Prince would not be going to Dublin was at a meeting on 3 June.

He said at this meeting Prince was agitated when presented with his options on canceling the concert and said 'you guys got me into this'.

He was also willing to speak to Denis Desmond and said: 'tell him he'll have to chill'.


During cross-examination by counsel for MCD, Mr Sarkisian said at all times they acted as agents for Prince.

Asked if he was still the singer's agent he said: 'technically yes'.

It was put to him that Prince's name was still on WME's website and he replied: 'well I think Elvis is still on our website'.

However he said at all times WME acted on Prince's behalf and with his consent and everyone understood this both before and after tickets for the Dublin gig went on sale.



The WME Executive's testimony is really telling. It shows that Prince seems to think certain rules don't apply to him and that he can do whatever he wants regardless of how it affects others. Of course, we sort of already knew this, didn't we? And what else would you expect from someone who's lived in his own world, firing anyone who dared to tell him, "No" since the age of 18. neutral


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Reply #198 posted 02/24/10 9:28am

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joanne55555 said:

maybe he was too scared to come to Ireland, what with all the bombs and all.... wink



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Reply #199 posted 02/24/10 9:39am

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maybe he was too scared to come to Ireland, what with all the bombs and all.... wink


That's really not funny.
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Reply #200 posted 02/24/10 9:45am

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colm said:



WWhat the hell is this "official confirmation" and "rumour" BS? The concert was announced thru all the usual channels thru which a concert is announced - In the press, radio ads, TV ads, increased radio airplay, ticket competitions. What do you expect, a personalised invitation from Prince to arrive in the post? The OFFICIAL tickets were on sale on Ticketmaster along with a diagram of the seating chart on their website. Whenever I see a concert advertised in the national press, on TV, radio and on billboards I take it as read that the concert will be taking place unless something unforeseen happens to the artist or band who are scheduled to perform.
MCD thought he was coming, William Morris thought he was coming. William Morris represent Prince. He pays them to do this. Prince told William Morris he wasn't coming, William Morris tols MCD he wasn't coming. He didn't come. Whether or not he ever had any intention of coming or not is the million dollar question.
The whole event was promoted and pushed the same way any concert would be, no different. It was not a "rumoured" show and I had all the "official" confirmation I needed to convince me it was a bona fide event. Lets hope we can find out for once and for all what the fuck happened!


MCD promoted the show on the understanding that prince would attend, but the case revolves around prince saying he didn't confirm he would attend, yet the promoter went on with advertising and selling tickets to the show

the issue of "authorised" relates to one party selling tickets that another didn't authorise, according to the other party

i think prince's point is that he didn't confirm the show, yet the promoter went ahead and took it so far without proper confirmation from the artist, in the hope he would give in and play the show so as not to upset his fans. but i think we all know that's not the way you try and deal with prince



Prince hasn't said anything yet, so you are just making that up. His lawyers have not stated that he didn't "confirm" either. They only claimed that he was misrepresented, which appeared to be nonsense because they have long term agreement to represent him in these matters. You shouldn't make stuff up and ignore what's really going on.

Also, "thats not the way you try and deal with prince"? In court it doesn't matter what cooky way Prince wants you to do business with you and whatever superstar nonsense he feels he is entitled to as opposed to ordinairy people. If he entered into an agreement, he must live up to it.

So, the only real questions are, did he or did he not and if so why did he cancel. Since he isn't saying anything, yet the other side is providing evidence that he did agree, things right now do not look good for him. He has not much more time to explain his side of the story properly.

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Reply #201 posted 02/24/10 9:50am

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maybe he was too scared to come to Ireland, what with all the bombs and all.... wink



Now apart from the lawyers we have the politicial experts whofarted
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Reply #202 posted 02/24/10 9:58am

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Bombs? Everyone in Ireland is too drunk to set a bomb off.
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Reply #203 posted 02/24/10 10:04am

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Bombs? Everyone in Ireland is too drunk to set a bomb off.


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Reply #204 posted 02/24/10 10:05am

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Rorywan said:

unique said:



two of prince's biggest loser fans are from ireland, so i tend to steer clear

next weekend in paris though is where the party be, 8 hours of prince music and videos
[Edited 2/24/10 7:54am]


There are a lot of Irish fans on here who would find that very offensive.
Unique, what has happened?, I've read your posts on here for quite a long time, ur replies are normally intelligent insightful (especially legal aspects) why are you being so bitchy?
Peace.
[Edited 2/24/10 8:47am]


it's got nothing to do with the lot of irish fans, just 2 of them. if you knew who i meant you would get the joke. i'm not on about you, i have no idea wtf you live, and don't care either
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Reply #205 posted 02/24/10 10:06am

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i didn't make any statements based on assumptions. being a lawyer you should surely be able to understand what people are saying, and not make statements based on assumptions, which is what you did. i'm not defending prince at all, only giving an alternate view to points raised here, so people don't all join hands in agreement over something they don't know the facts about


Yes you did, because you said Prince's argument is that he never comfirmed in the first place. You can't know that when he hasn't said anything yet. So that's a 100% assumption on your side.

And in my view you are most definetely defending prince and in a bitchy way that doesn't serve your goal at all, which by all means is fine with me, but do it with facts then.

SINCE PRINCE HASN'T PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE SO FAR, the facts right now appear to be that he did agree to play and that he cancelled at the very last moment, so far not known why, again because Prince ignores the court.

Like I said, time for him to come clean. If he still wants to get away with this.
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Reply #206 posted 02/24/10 10:06am

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unique said:



MCD promoted the show on the understanding that prince would attend, but the case revolves around prince saying he didn't confirm he would attend, yet the promoter went on with advertising and selling tickets to the show

the issue of "authorised" relates to one party selling tickets that another didn't authorise, according to the other party

i think prince's point is that he didn't confirm the show, yet the promoter went ahead and took it so far without proper confirmation from the artist, in the hope he would give in and play the show so as not to upset his fans. but i think we all know that's not the way you try and deal with prince



Prince hasn't said anything yet, so you are just making that up. His lawyers have not stated that he didn't "confirm" either. They only claimed that he was misrepresented, which appeared to be nonsense because they have long term agreement to represent him in these matters. You shouldn't make stuff up and ignore what's really going on.

Also, "thats not the way you try and deal with prince"? In court it doesn't matter what cooky way Prince wants you to do business with you and whatever superstar nonsense he feels he is entitled to as opposed to ordinairy people. If he entered into an agreement, he must live up to it.

So, the only real questions are, did he or did he not and if so why did he cancel. Since he isn't saying anything, yet the other side is providing evidence that he did agree, things right now do not look good for him. He has not much more time to explain his side of the story properly.

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it's my thoughts, which i clearly stated were, so of course i made it up. that's what i think, or what i thought at the time of posting. i thought you were a lawyer? surely you must be able to understand what people mean when they talk or post? how can you come to the right answer if you don't understand what people are on about?
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Reply #207 posted 02/24/10 10:08am

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unique said:

i didn't make any statements based on assumptions. being a lawyer you should surely be able to understand what people are saying, and not make statements based on assumptions, which is what you did. i'm not defending prince at all, only giving an alternate view to points raised here, so people don't all join hands in agreement over something they don't know the facts about


Yes you did, because you said Prince's argument is that he never comfirmed in the first place. You can't know that when he hasn't said anything yet. So that's a 100% assumption on your side.

And in my view you are most definetely defending prince and in a bitchy way that doesn't serve your goal at all, which by all means is fine with me, but do it with facts then.

SINCE PRINCE HASN'T PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE SO FAR, the facts right now appear to be that he did agree to play and that he cancelled at the very last moment, so far not known why, again because Prince ignores the court.

Like I said, time for him to come clean. If he still wants to get away with this.


no, i never. read what i said. don't you understand english? i said what i thought, i never made any statements of fact
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Reply #208 posted 02/24/10 10:39am

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i think he may have had concussion that week from knocking his head between bria's boobs


Ohh geez lol
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Reply #209 posted 02/24/10 11:11am

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citrus said:

i think he may have had concussion that week from knocking his head between bria's boobs


Ohh geez lol



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