babynoz said:

Basically, an Irishman will tell you he will do a grand job, let you down and then blame the English for the state of everything.

I still blame the promoters on this, even though Prince acted like a dick. If they really didn't get a watertight contract with someone like Prince, then they don't understand their business.

Lets face it, most fans knew he wasn't going to turn up.

Where Prince screwed his fans over yet again was leaving it until the week before to pull the plug. He had months to deny any involvement and chose not to. He let a loyal fan base, from all over Europe books plane tickets, hotels and seats and then shafted them with a week to go.....again.

The promoters are to blame in the court case, Prince is to blame for his fans losing out.

SquirrelMeat said:

Very disappointed in you Squirrel, I could start with the sarcastic american jibes, but that would be a bit too lowbrow for my sense of humor.

But there are a few Scots in here who might take your gold chain and afro and stick them up your hole? Get me?

grandebelle said:

YES INDEED!!!

I think we should all get together and fucken sue Prince for leading us on and promising something he never delivered! with cuntflow3r.com

squirrelgrease said:

That question is DANGEROUS.

Yes, there were fans, who are experienced with the whims of the artist, that advised to wait with buying tickets untill you get the "official" confirmation from Prince

who says prince cancelled the gig btw?

maybe he just confirmed he wasn't going to attend

Tremolina said:

I think you blew your argument with that one line.
Always wait for official confirmation.

When this whole thing was "hot hot hot hot news" there still was no official confirmation.
As far as i know, there was never any official confirmation, it was always treated as just rumor.

Just recently, the Ipad was "hot hot hot news",.. the fanboys knew something was up but Apple kept mum and would not even confirm the the existence of the thing.
Always wait for official confirmation and dont get your hopes up until its official so you know exactly what you are supposed to be getting without getting your panties in a bunch.
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violetblues said:

No, because with regards to MCD and William Morris agency that doesn't matter. That only matter as regards to the fans.

The fans should not have bought tickets before knowing it was "official". But in defense of those fans I did state that when the official ticket agencies sell them fast and this is the ONLY show you can go to, while he hasn't been to Europe in more than 6 years and as far as I know never in Ireland, what you blaming them for then?



Blame Prince. He doesn't seem to have the sense and decency to let 55.000 people and his business partners know a little bit earlier that he is cancelling or confirming he really he isn't coming, or whatever.

JUST A SIMPLE YES OR NO WOULD HAVE DONE

But I will take that back when it turns out he had a very good reason to cancel and to cancel so late.

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plead they were acting at all times as agents for Prince under an agreement of August 2005 with express authority to negotiate on Prince’s behalf for the purpose of securing bookings.

http://www.irishtimes.com...ml?via=rel

Tremolina said:

Im blaming everybody!
A promoter with no signed contract, fans buying tix for someone who is not officially scheduled, and an artist used to living on whims and lives in a magical world of rainbows.
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Rorywan said:

it was official promoter stuff, but who says prince authorised it? i could stick an ad in the paper saying prince is playing, but prince would have nothing to do with it. prince didnt place the ads

violetblues said:

No, because with regards to MCD and William Morris agency that doesn't matter. That only matter as regards to the fans.

The fans should not have bought tickets before knowing it was "official". But in defense of those fans I did state that when the official ticket agencies sell them fast and this is the ONLY show you can go to, while he hasn't been to Europe in more than 6 years and as far as I know never in Ireland, what you blaming them for then?



Blame Prince. He doesn't seem to have the sense and decency to let 55.000 people and his business partners know a little bit earlier that he is cancelling or confirming he really he isn't coming, or whatever.

JUST A SIMPLE YES OR NO WOULD HAVE DONE

But I will take that back when it turns out he had a very good reason to cancel and to cancel so late.

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Tremolina said:

When this whole thing was "hot hot hot hot news" there still was no official confirmation.
As far as i know, there was never any official confirmation, it was always treated as just rumor.

Tremolina said:

Prince played 21 Nights in London less than a year before this happened. London is in Europe. Prince has played Ireland 6 times.

violetblues said:

WWhat the hell is this "official confirmation" and "rumour" BS? The concert was announced thru all the usual channels thru which a concert is announced - In the press, radio ads, TV ads, increased radio airplay, ticket competitions. What do you expect, a personalised invitation from Prince to arrive in the post?

The OFFICIAL tickets were on sale on Ticketmaster along with a diagram of the seating chart on their website. Whenever I see a concert advertised in the national press, on TV, radio and on billboards I take it as read that the concert will be taking place unless something unforeseen happens to the artist or band who are scheduled to perform.

MCD thought he was coming, William Morris thought he was coming. William Morris represent Prince. He pays them to do this. Prince told William Morris he wasn't coming, William Morris tols MCD he wasn't coming. He didn't come. Whether or not he ever had any intention of coming or not is the million dollar question.

The whole event was promoted and pushed the same way any concert would be, no different. It was not a "rumoured" show and I had all the "official" confirmation I needed to convince me it was a bona fide event. Lets hope we can find out for once and for all what the fuck happened!

Right now my bets are on he got a whim. Just being a superstar.

But I'm not excluding Goldring promising something he didn't agree with or maybe something very private happened.

His lawyers today did say that Prince was going to write a letter to the court.

Now I really wonder how that will that read...

Are u ready 4 the funk?!?!?!

Minneapolis public radio station 89.3 the current reports that they’ll premiere a new track by Prince this Friday (7am) entitled “Cause and Effect”. Prince has been a supporter of the public station, even attending their 5th birthday party at Minneapolis’ First Avenue last month. The station describes the new song:

…it’s a rocker – filled with virtuosic guitar work, explosive drum breaks, a poppy chorus, trademark shrieks and whoops, some intriguing lyrics (“if I had the chance to do it all again / I wouldn’t change a thing except my next of kin”) and a call to mankind (“you need compassion”). Opening with Prince’s classic pop smarts, the last minute of the tune swerves into a propulsive minor key guitar/strings/drum workout like we haven’t heard from him in years.


To hear the new song from Prince, tune in to 89.3 this Friday at 7am Minneapolis time. If you’re not in Minni, tune in via the live stream on their website. The track will also be available that morning on Prince’s website, lotusflow3r.com.

Prince has been in the news recently because of an Irish trial over the cancellation of his Croke Park gig in the summer of 2008. [i]Rather than take the witness stand, maybe ”Cause and Effect” will be Prince’s official statement on the matter?

I’m excited to hear this new track. R u excited?? -Dr.FB[/i]

Tremolina said:

I think you blew your argument with that one line.
Always wait for official confirmation.

When this whole thing was "hot hot hot hot news" there still was no official confirmation.
As far as i know, there was never any official confirmation, it was always treated as just rumor.

Just recently, the Ipad was "hot hot hot news",.. the fanboys knew something was up but Apple kept mum and would not even confirm the the existence of the thing.
Always wait for official confirmation and dont get your hopes up until its official so you know exactly what you are supposed to be getting without getting your panties in a bunch.
[Edited 2/23/10 11:24am]

Tremolina said:

This is what's posted at www.drfunkenberry.com:
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(“if I had the chance to do it all again / I wouldn’t change a thing except my next of kin”) and a call to mankind (“you need compassion”).

SquirrelMeat said:

In court this point could also be construed by MCD's lawyers as highly negligent of Prince towards MCD and possibly William Morris' agency as well.

From what I've read in the press, it seems that neither MCD nor Goldring from William Morris knew Prince was cancelling untill the day he made that known. Just 10 days before the show would take place.

I have also been checking out the org's news and threads about it when the entire hype was going on and it appears that Prince performing at Croke Park was hot, hot, hot news for a long time.

So it would be really strange if Prince had no idea what was going on. Highly unlikely.

Yes, there were fans, who are experienced with the whims of the artist, that advised to wait with buying tickets untill you get the "official" confirmation from Prince, but come on, when the official ticket agencies are already selling tickets you can't blame fans from running to buy them before they sell out.

And they sold out. Yet still no word from Prince.

So yes, you can blame Prince for not having the sense and decency to just say one word to the public about the question whether he would really be performing.

Just a simple yes or no would have done. Just one message to the public. Is that really so hard?

The fact that he didn't do that may be typically Prince, but could also hint at something else going on. Maybe there was an agreement in principle to come and play, but not yet fully on the money or the exact date or something else important.

I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing was the case. Or maybe Goldring promised MCD too much, too early. Or maybe Prince really had a good reason to cancel but it is very private so he didn't say anything to the public about it. Or maybe he really just cancelled on a whim.

Because it also appears that Prince's lawyers claim that Prince was misrepesented is probably on shaky ground. If you read how this case has been developing in court it appears there have been a lot of contacts between MCD, William Morris, and Prince's personal assistent.

So it would be highly strange if Prince really had no idea he was being represented to appear at Croke Park on June 16th.

That seems all the more plausible, considering you could expect the court to throw the case against Prince out if it appeared he was misrepresented and considering William Morris is (one of) the biggest concert representatives in the world. It would be highly unprofessional if it would make such a deal for Prince without his explicit consent.

Yet I defintely can't exclude that possibility either tho'.

But then still Prince could have had the decency and common sense to tell everybody earlier that he wasn't coming.

Or did something happen at the last moment?

I really have no idea

DISCLAIMER: THIS POST IS PURELY SPECULATIVE


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[Edited 2/23/10 11:08am]

Tremolina said:

good post

Heart-warming to see just how many Prince fans are also part-time lawyers.

unique said:

You mean as in never having any sort of agreement to begin with?

I guess that's also still possible but from what I am reading it seems the case is court is already past that question.

It seems he was sufficiently represented and it seems at least some sort of deal was made in february 2008, 4 months before the planned show. Then there was money transferred and a lot of promotion and publicity made, the org was hot on it too for months and there were 55.000 tickets sold through official channels.

Then he cancelled without citing a reason and as far as I can see he never denied doing that either.

He simply said NOTHING. So it's kind hard but still interesting to guess what made this happen.

Please, check this article out:

http://www.irishtimes.com...ml?via=rel

and do also notice how he or his lawyers manage to piss the court off

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violetblues said:

WWhat the hell is this "official confirmation" and "rumour" BS? The concert was announced thru all the usual channels thru which a concert is announced - In the press, radio ads, TV ads, increased radio airplay, ticket competitions. What do you expect, a personalised invitation from Prince to arrive in the post? The OFFICIAL tickets were on sale on Ticketmaster along with a diagram of the seating chart on their website. Whenever I see a concert advertised in the national press, on TV, radio and on billboards I take it as read that the concert will be taking place unless something unforeseen happens to the artist or band who are scheduled to perform.
MCD thought he was coming, William Morris thought he was coming. William Morris represent Prince. He pays them to do this. Prince told William Morris he wasn't coming, William Morris tols MCD he wasn't coming. He didn't come. Whether or not he ever had any intention of coming or not is the million dollar question.
The whole event was promoted and pushed the same way any concert would be, no different. It was not a "rumoured" show and I had all the "official" confirmation I needed to convince me it was a bona fide event. Lets hope we can find out for once and for all what the fuck happened!

Now I wonder if Prince is going to send this new song to the judge as his statement!