Tremolina said:

i agree with this also (yes i know that sounds contradictory). i'm just speculating of course. i think the outcome of this will be very interesting.

I think he could have a narcistic disorder too.

nuthinbuttamuffin said:

Prince in my view, has a very controlling and dominant persona. Everybody always says he is a control freak. Hence also why its so strange that he would let this Croke Park thing get so out of control. I think he could have a narcistic disorder too. I'm no shrink of course, but I know somebody who has this and their behaviour looks very simmilar, because usually when somebody (anybody) does something Prince doesn't like (e.g. posting on youtube, bootlegs, fan sites using unauthorised material) his reaction is very offended and pretty extreme. Much more than the average artist reaction to stuff like that. Then he doesn't try to solve it by talking, or at least trying to see the other side, but by immediately taking hard, legal action, or by for example writing angry songs about it (EXAMPLES PFUNK, NO MORE CANDY 4 U) and acting according to these songs as well (no release of new music, not even for 77$).
[Edited 2/25/10 4:26am]

Tremolina said:

I agree. He behaves like a spoilt brat. But there are better medical descriptions!

I have no doubt in my mind that the new track is timed to take the sting and attention away from the court case. Every time Prince looks a chump, he throws a morsel to the hungry.

lezama said:

No, the case has been pending since a year already.

SquirrelMeat said:

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

purplecorvette1 said:

yes, ironic it's called Cause & Effect, considering the effect his lazyness has caused nearly 60 thousand fans.

I don't see how the emails between Prince and Goldring matter if Goldring didn't have the authority to work a deal on Prince's behalf. I doubt there was a contract for this, and certainly Prince didn't sign anything.

Emails aren't agreed upon contracts are they?

I could be missing something though--I'm no legal expert.

I was wondering what happened to the thread about him being in Dublin at a restaurant???? Its gone.

Rorywan said:

The Fam Police are going to get you for that!

"Prince was not very good at deadlines," said Mr Sarkisian.

At the end of a long day Mr Justice Kelly said he had got the impression that Prince was a very erratic individual.

Mr Sarkisian said it might sound like he’s completely crazy, but it is more that Prince has ways of doing things and that may not make sense to other people.

Not just any note, but one written "as softly but as firmly as I could", the agent said. He did his best, telling the singer that he didn't intend "to put him under pressure but wanted to ensure that we deliver exactly what you want" and that "the goal is world domination, country by country".

He [Marc Geiger] said Prince was the 'least clear person' he had dealt with in his 20-year career in terms of communicating what he wanted.

Prince lawsuit: 'Just tell the cat to chill'

By Jason O'Brien

Thursday February 25 2010

Given the recent antics of certain celebrities, it is somehow reassuring to catch a glimpse of Prince Rogers Nelson's life behind the closed doors of his luxury Beverly Hills home and have your preconceptions largely confirmed.

"Dinners with Prince are interesting," his agent, Keith Sarkisian, told Dublin's Commercial Court to some laughter yesterday.

The executive was giving evidence on the second day of an action by promoters MCD for €1.7m in compensation against Prince and his agents, William Morris Endeavour Entertainment.

The singer claims the agents had no authority to confirm a concert in Croke Park that was cancelled in June 2008.

Yesterday, Mr Sarkisian described a meal at the singer's home where the agent had expected to finally discuss the European concert dates he was under severe pressure to confirm. But instead of just the two of them there were five, including "a female friend I think is a singer".

Unwilling to discuss Prince's business in front of three strangers -- "Prince is very private" -- the agent bided his time, only for the singer to promptly get up and leave the room.

Then his security guard, Raul, told Mr Sarkisian dinner was over and it was time to leave.

"You can't tell Prince to come back to dinner; at least I can't," Mr Sarkisian said, to more laughter.

But, by this stage, confirming the concerts was no laughing matter for Mr Sarkisian. Tickets for the Dublin show had gone on sale in February 2008.

It was now May, and he urgently needed to get confirmation of shows in Denmark, Holland and elsewhere so that they, too, could go on sale before it was too late to make it a tour.

It was also in Prince's interests to the tune of an estimated $10m (€7.5m) profit from a tour, rather than $2m (€1.25m) profit from Croke Park alone.

But it seems Prince likes to ask questions rather than give answers.

So Prince's personal assistant and de-facto manager, Ruth Arzate, didn't ask her boss a direct question, despite being aware of the situation. Instead, she advised Mr Sarkisian to write Prince a note.

Not just any note, but one written "as softly but as firmly as I could", the agent said. He did his best, telling the singer that he didn't intend "to put him under pressure but wanted to ensure that we deliver exactly what you want" and that "the goal is world domination, country by country".

He didn't hear a word back. In the end, Mr Sarkisian managed to secure another meeting at the singer's home in Beverly Hills on June 3, less than two weeks before the Croke Park concert was to take place.

This, Mr Sarkisian alleges, is the first time Prince started giving straight answers, and he told him the Croke Park concert wouldn't happen. More than 50,000 tickets had been sold, and Prince was agitated when faced with the cancellation options. "I'm paraphrasing here but he said, 'You guys got me into this mess, I'll have to fix it,'" Mr Sarkisian said.

And Prince said he was open to talking with Denis Desmond, the music promoter who put the Croke Park gig together.

"Tell the cat to chill, I'll figure it out," he had said.

That drew more laughter in court yesterday, including from Mr Desmond in the gallery.

Mr Sarkisian said "technically" his agency still represented Prince but while he still featured on its website, so did Elvis.

Under cross-examination, Mr Sarkisian said that, when dealing with Prince, there was often "a wobble". Prince had a tendency to agree to things at the last minute, he said.

But he denied that the agency had run ahead of itself by telling MCD Prince was interested in playing in Dublin before the artist had committed to it.

He also denied that pressure was put on Prince to commit to play other concerts.

The case continues.

- Jason O'Brien

Irish Independent

NelsonR said:

maybe prince can get away with it if he pleads insanity?

maybe he is ultra super smart, far more intelligent than the rest of us put together, and he has carefully planned to act crazy in public so if he ever gets caught he can plead insanity

or maybe he got the idea from a dvd. he might have been watching basic instinct
[Edited 2/25/10 2:38am]

and give Prince a break ya'll. because it's the right thing to do. This is not how money and contracts should ever be handled.

Tremolina said:

Ehhhh.... But you don't present your case a year before a trial starts... So have patience. You'll find out all you want to know in due time.

Tremolina said:

I agree. He behaves like a spoilt brat. But there are better medical descriptions!

I have no doubt in my mind that the new track is timed to take the sting and attention away from the court case. Every time Prince looks a chump, he throws a morsel to the hungry.

Here's the latest Guys -

Agent tells court about 'mercurial' Prince
Thursday, 25 February 2010 16:40
A US entertainment agent, who represented the popstar Prince, has told the Commercial Court the singer was 'mercurial' and instructed them to communicate with him only through his personal assistant.

Marc Geiger, of the William Morris agency, was giving evidence on the second day of an action by promoters MCD against Prince, real name Prince Rogers Nelson, and his agents over the cancellation of a concert in 2008.

He said Prince was the 'least clear person' he had dealt with in his 20-year career in terms of communicating what he wanted.

Mr Geiger was describing a meeting at the singer's house during which he said Prince was 'very agitated' over the Dublin concert and said he had not confirmed it.

He said Prince told them he 'did not work like that', referring to the fact that Dublin was a one-off concert. The singer accused them of not getting him any offers of other European shows.

Mr Geiger said he told Prince this was patently untrue. He said they had come to him with an offer of seven European performances worth $2m, and that Dublin had been confirmed. He said they walked him through options on the effect of a cancellation.

He said Prince spoke about Denis Desmond of MCD and said 'tell the cat to chill, we will work something out.'

He said for the entire meeting Prince's personal assistant Ruth Arzate, who was their point of contact, said nothing.

The meeting ended in a terse fashion, he said but Ms Arzate gave them a hug at the end of it and they left.

Mr Geiger was asked to go through the 'deal points' of the proposed contract with Prince. It was put to him by counsel for Prince, Paul Sreenan, that neither Prince nor his assistant had ever received that document.

MCD is claiming €1.7m in compensation after the concert scheduled for Croke Park in June 2008 was cancelled ten days beforehand
[Edited 2/25/10 10:10am]

SquirrelMeat said:

Oh, but I have no doubt there could be better descriptions and yes definetely, he always does that. He knows what he is doing and what is going on. Nothing he does is without a reason. Sometimes this is very cool, sometimes not.

Lotus2unfld said:

Yeah, but do you think Prince would have actually signed a CONtract? I think they had to deal with him this way because he doesn't like to commit to stuff. I'd imagine getting a signed contract from Prince is like finding a snowball in hell. I mean, I know he does, sometimes, but I think he likes to avoid it as much as possible. Purely speculative on my part, of course.

lezama said:

No, but you see, Prince was supposed to give evidence already, yet he didn't and pissed the court off.

nuthinbuttamuffin said:

Just reiterating your point. Most of these superstars who have lived sheltered and privileged lives really do belive they are above the law. Granted there is no comparison in regard to the seriousness of Princes and Phil Spectors cases, but there have been many many cases like this down the years, where someone who hasn't heard the word NO for decades and has more money than common sense genuinely thinks they have their own rule book. Phil found out thats not the case. Will Prince? We'll find out this week...

grandebelle said:

no. he would have made an announcement, they could have claimed the insurance, and they could have rescheduled. prince rarely cancels a gig due to health reasons

nuthinbuttamuffin said:

Just reiterating your point. Most of these superstars who have lived sheltered and privileged lives really do belive they are above the law. Granted there is no comparison in regard to the seriousness of Princes and Phil Spectors cases, but there have been many many cases like this down the years, where someone who hasn't heard the word NO for decades and has more money than common sense genuinely thinks they have their own rule book. Phil found out thats not the case. Will Prince? We'll find out this week...

VinylFunk said:

I'm happy it's gone. People haven't even heard his new song Cause and Effect and they have so much to say about it. The last thing I want to read is a 15 page thread about some blonde Prince supposedly had dinner with in Dublin.

2 words..." As if"...they guy does what he wants when he wants and screw everyone so I doubt hed travel to an Irish court unless it was to collect a briefcse of money hed successfully sued soembody for

colm said:

Phil Spector killed someone. What in the purple fuck does that have to do with Prince?

Genesia said: