GraffitiKid said:

*Salutes*

GraffitiKid said:


Yes. There's a few tracks on there I like. But the single "3121", he played it live in different versions during 2006. Sounds fantastic live. The fans who were there at the shows I attended, loved it.
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BartVanHemelen said:

Right. And? That's a six year span. A lot of stuff happened.

...the the fuck are you so mad for. Damn, I remember you being a bitch on usenet about Prince back when I was a kid. You still doing the same wack ass shit.

Good job.

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If "save" is another word for "Destroy" then yes.
But didnt he lose his child a couple of years before Larry came into the picture?
regardless...Ive heard NOTHING positive, nor seen ANYTHING positive from Larry's influence.
To me, it took a lot away from Prince's character. Prince was always a leader. He never followed. You tell him to go right, he goes left. Remember the song, The Max? "They tell me to walk a straight line, I put on crooked shoes"
Then Larry comes along, and its like Prince cant function without the guy. Sad, very sad.

3121 is most excellent, as is Lotusflower.

LOL@ people cussin each other out over other people's business.[/quote]


Agree 100% plus

I wont say he saved his life cuz Prince was not near death or even suicidal. He just gave him another "out" for his energy and pointed him in another direction when he asked "why did this happen to me?". Consider that just because someone comes into your life it does not mean they are there to stay. So the next question is....

Has Larry served his purpose or is Prince still in need of help?

gogol said:

i've always said that

gogol said:

From my point of view, LG was P's father figure and the big brother he may have been looking for.

BartVanHemelen said:

actually he played a lot of 3121 in London o-2, more then Planet Earth which was just released, which is kinda strange. So at least he must think that 3121 is better then Planet Earth, but then, i think everybody knows that!

DesireeNevermind said:

In this matter, I agree with Bart: who say Prince was "in need of help" in the first place??

From the Notorious article, Larry Graham made Prince into religious discussions and a member of Jehovah Witness.

Is this so bad then? YES it is..... imo JW is a fanatic right-wing conservative sect. Nothing to be grateful for.

I don't believe Prince "is in need of help", he never was. Like Bart said the baby death was in 1996 and what happened to Prince, the JW thing was years later, in 1998/99. Prince was able to live his life without Jehovah, until Larry came around and sadly converted him to this sect.

Larry did not "save Prince's life" like this thread suggest... Larry brought changes to Prince yes, but for the worse, not for the good.

It is not just only "a matter of swearing",

Prince was imo. offenssive in many ways, in the 1980s, and early 1990s, a 'danger' to society, in opposition, from "Sister" 1980 to "Pussy Control" in 1995, but the changes in the late 1990s made him a conservative,

but of course if you are a right-wing conservative yourself, you can't see how bad this is.

I'm a liberal, I consider myself free thinking / open minded, I can appreciate "Sister", "Head", "Sexy Motherfucker", and "Pussy Control"... those songs represent what I like most about Prince: the offenssive and challenging artist.

I can't stand Larry, all he did to Prince was bad.....imo.

I saw Larry opening to Prince's concert in 1998, Valby Hallen, Copenhagen Denmark. Larry is a excellent musician I agree, but his music, Everyday People, Thank You (For Lettin Me Be Mice Elf Agin) and others are imo. complete trash, I can't stand it... when Prince is playing these old standards at aftershows it just makes me want me to:

I seriously can't stand Larry Graham, the changes he brought to Prince, and all he stands for in "Prince-world"....

I don't know Larry personal - of course not, I'm sure he is a really nice guy, but what he did to Prince, those changes mentioned in Notorious, well those are just terrible.

imo...
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You could argue that the zealot jumped in when the guy was at his lowest (which must be very low for such a short guy) and took advantage of his weakened and vulnerable state.

A great tactic when attempting to bolster numbers or influence people I always find. Get the bastards when they're down

Fuck Larry with a hammer.

squirrelgrease said:

If I had a hammer, I'd hammer Larry in the morning! I'd hammer Larry in the evening! All over this land!

iloveannie said:

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mzkqueen03 said:

To do the work

Me thinks u have no idea what u are talking about.
Leave this particular subject alone.

Just my 2 pennies.

1013Nightlife said:

thepope2the9s said:

and the line before that one

Larry seems like a good influence for Prince. I think Prince is pretty good at knowing what he wants or does not want. I would prefer Larry than any other drugged out rock stars. They also make good music together and Larry has some amazing footwork..

squirrelgrease said:

gogol said:

thats how those cults get you. they get you when you are most vulnerable. Larry is a pioneering bass genius but they are both lost in a ridiculous cult. Prince is very very smart and I think one day he'll wise up and leave them. Larry is more old school so he'll be with them for life

i just love larry graham threads....

anyway,

i think its hysterical that all the religious, 'soul saving' nuts think that if Prince didnt meet Larry Graham and get into JW then he would have ended up on drugs and a herion addict.

which is a complete pathetic cliche and so typical of the brainwashed..

its as if a person cant tackle problems with determination or by building a plan or by letting time heal wounds...

no, its either get your soul saved or you'll become a drug addict...because people are just that weak... or maybe only weak people would buy into that junk...

how ridiculous.

if you cannot see a sad and serious decline in Prince's music since LG, then good for you.. keep drinking the purple holy water.

im just going to keep butt fucking and listening to Parade.

gogol said:

Prince life was in danger?

thedance said:

NpgSouljah said:

I prefer to hear Prince music at a Prince concert,

those old GCS songs are not my cup of tea.

itsjustaroundthecorner said:

That has more to do with his age than his religion.

He's just not as good a songwriter as he used to be, because his mind isn't as sharp anymore.

Matter of fact, people were saying the quality Prince's music was declining way before he became a Jehovah's Witness.

Hell, some people think he lost it when he released Around the World in a Day.

Who are you to say his music has declined?

I'm not a religious person, but Larry Graham helped Prince during some of the darkest times in his life.

So what if he doesn't say "fuck" anymore?

People complain about his lyrics being too dogmatic. I guess they weren't paying attention when Prince put the Lord's Prayer in the middle of one of his most popular songs.

Prince has always had Christian religious imagery and lyrics in his music.

Some people say he's become a sexist.

Have these same people seen the video for Gett Off???

Some people say he's become homophobic.

Like Bambi is so inclusive.

A majority of things people accuse Larry Graham of making Prince do because of his religion, he had already been doing for years.

I guess if Larry and Prince did heroin together instead of reading the Bible, no one would be saying anything.

thedance said:

Those aren't GCS songs, genius.

thedance said:

Actually not GCS songs, diff'rent strokes 4 diff'rent folks I guess...