By the way, nice mixes Ernest.

I must say...this is quite disgusting. It's like the Catholic Church demanding Da Vinci change his paintings..as they have..or like the church demanding Madonna change her show, which they have...or Hitler deleting perfectly good humans..because they weren't to his liking..this is megalomania at it's highest...even for personal use. I think it's sick. Mad. Like a twisted scientist altering biology...This is not the same as a remix..sorry. This is just plain wierd. I am cool with how Prince intended his tracks to be...THIS is very odd and kind of coo-coo. No offense personaly...

TC Ellis used to manage this 14 yr. old kid we were producing, one day he challenged the kid to freestyle, Tony was there too. The 14 year old kid shredded them both lol. The funny thing is me and my homies werent the least bit shocked lol.

lotusboy said:

ernestsewell said:

But im obviously younger than u..so u can't be referring to me as a troll!
and thanks for not flipping your lid over my dusgust at your chop-job on P's music and trying to take out my planet with your death ray!

ernestsewell said:

But im obviously younger than u..so u can't be referring to me as a troll!
and thanks for not flipping your lid over my dusgust at your chop-job on P's music and trying to take out my planet with your death ray!

I must say...this is quite disgusting. It's like the Catholic Church demanding Da Vinci change his paintings..as they have..or like the church demanding Madonna change her show, which they have...or Hitler deleting perfectly good humans..because they weren't to his liking..this is megalomania at it's highest...even for personal use. I think it's sick. Mad. Like a twisted scientist altering biology...This is not the same as a remix..sorry. This is just plain wierd. I am cool with how Prince intended his tracks to be...THIS is very odd and kind of coo-coo. No offense personaly...

lotusboy said:

squirrelgrease said:

Im pretty sure u agree with what I said....??

squirrelgrease said:

Im pretty sure u agree with what I said....??

Lotusboy. I respect that you like the original version and your sense of loyalty to the man, but I also respect Ernest version of how he would interpret the song less Tony M.

Allthough if I had to take a liking to which overall version I would rather listen to it would be Ernest.

I'll just draw the line and say I don't believe Tony M. enhanced any of the recordings he layed down his vocals on. Never thought he had the high level of talent compared to other musicians Prince has worked with.Its also good to give props out to Prince when you like something hes done but also give him a little pushback when you're just not feeling it. I think by giving him a little pushback its not slighting him or being negative but actually benefits Prince receiving a balanced point of view, as opposed to no pushback by a bunch hacks that would say YES or agree to his every whim.

I did just that. I freed Tony M. from having to enter my ear canal on some songs. I've long though of conducting my own little experiment with editing a few Prince tunes down. Yes, I know. It's not my job, but whatever.

I took a handful of songs and edited a few things here and there to make them flow a bit better.

"Temptation" - I put a quick fade on the end after the main song ends. You can actually hear Prince's guitar ending (something I never really noticed), and where he immediately added that stupid tag ending. After his last "...my body.." I put a fade over the next 2 or 3 measures. Works great. Song clocks at 5:02. I'll put the new times on the songs I list hereon.

Then I headed over to the Diamonds & Pearls album, and worked over a few songs there.

I edited Tony M. out of "Daddy Pop" (4:29), "Willing & Able" (4:33), "Push" (4:58), and "Live 4 Love" (6:22). A couple of the edits were tricky, but overall they were pretty easy to do. "Live 4 Love" was the tricky one, and "Willing & Able" took some coddling to get it right. "Push" is full of rap, but just to get rid of Tony's rap and go straight to Prince's felt better.

I then worked on a few songs from .

I reworked "My Name Is Prince" (5:16), and totally removed Tony's rap. Wasn't too hard, and it ends much sooner. I never liked that song because it was just too damn long, and not nearly interesting enough to be THAT long. Good song, but better w/o Tony.

"Sexy M.F." (4:40) got rid of Tony as well. Wasn't much on that one, but it's highly superior. The music swells and isn't interrupted w/ his nonsense. I think I also cut out some of the "sexy MF, shakin' that ass" chant. It goes from Levi's solo, right into another horn break, then the big ending, totally skipping Tony.

"Love 2 The 9's" (4:54) This one was tricky as well. I cut out Tony's interview of the female totally. It goes from Prince saying "hit it", to a horn part, then "would you hug me on a crowded street". The flow is SO SO SO much better on this one. LOVE IT.

"The Continental" (3:09) I just can't stand that weird ass ending on it. A measure before it switches to that ending, I worked in him saying "CONTINENTAL" from the beginning of the song (as to create a more solid ending). It ends with a snare hit and drops right into "Damn U" when played in order. It's much snappier at just over 3 minutes.

"The Flow" (1:54) Much shorter w/o Tony's nonsense in there, but it works. I always loved the song, but his machine gun rapping was just insane to me. It was muddled. You still hear Prince say, "Tony, kick that piece of shit", but the music just continues on. It's almost like an awesome extended instrumental ending after Prince's verse continuing with the "rock to the F L O W" chant throughout of course.

Ultimately I like these edits. We all hate Tony M., I think. I took the time to take his dumb ass out of the songs, and frankly the albums are a lot better for it. I couldn't take him out of things like "Gett Off" or his little parts earlier on in "Live 4 Love", etc. But his "moments" are totally deleted. As I went back and listened to some of the songs in order of the album, and let other unedited songs segue in and out, I was happier hearing them. D&P has some weak points obviously (like "Jughead" which is deleted 100% from my playlist), but the lack of Tony makes it a better album for me. I've always been a huge fan of , and even moreso now.

ernestsewell said:

Tony M is on "The Continental"? I only like the end of this song with the prince sex rap to Carmen Electra.

dolorespark said:

This response isn't about me. You made some good points in your response to . In a general sense - it really is up to a fan to NOT bend to every whim that an artist has in them. Every artist has some weird period in their music, and the fans will either drink it down blindly, or sit up and think "Now that ain't quite right". It's about each person's taste of course. I think the 00's were horrible for Prince's music, yet some argue that The Rainbow Children and Musicology is some of his best work in 10 years to that point. Some hate Planet Earth, but sans a song or two, I like the album a lot, as I do 3121.

I've found few to no fans that have ever thought Tony M. added anything positive, interesting, or valuable to Prince's musical legacy from 1989-1992. Hell, even Kirk Johnson got a lot of backlash for his dry and uninspired drum beats from 1996-2001. New Power Soul would have been 10x better if just to have some live drumming throughout. It's why fans gravitate toward Exodus more, in general, when it comes to the three NPG albums. It had great live drumming, and felt like a BAND album.

A real fan does not accept every single thing an artist does. It's not about giving room to be "a hater" (such a stupid term), it's about being objective. Being a musician, I tend to listen to music differently, and judge it more harshly sometimes, than someone who perhaps is not a musician. That goes for any musician, in some cases.

Iron sharpens iron. Fans hopefully push an artist to do better, and hopefully an artist pushes themselves to do better as well, and give the fans something that is worth their money, time, effort, and energy.

As far as the editing - I'm loving it. is SO much more enjoyable without that MFer in the mix.

Tony M. can suck my cats NUTS!
[Edited 12/30/09 21:52pm]

I did just that. I freed Tony M. from having to enter my ear canal on some songs. I've long though of conducting my own little experiment with editing a few Prince tunes down. Yes, I know. It's not my job, but whatever.

I took a handful of songs and edited a few things here and there to make them flow a bit better.

We all hate Tony M., I think.

I bet Tony M - aka The Deacon - would like a mix tape of the bits you edited out!

For all the debate about Tony, he was a good guy at the time, nice to fans, and brought something new. Gett Off would not have been Gett Off without Tony.

lotusboy said: