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Thread started 01/06/10 12:22am

sms130

Discuss: The better quality version of the 6/7/84 show?

I don't want 2 get in any trouble with I am about 2 say but, here goes. It seems 2 me that the latest update/upgraded version of Prince's First Avenue gig in 1984 on his B-day (one of many classic imprompt shows at First Avenue in the early part of his career) may contain a more insight of that show, at least part of the show. This "new" version contain a few tracks from that show. From the quality, this sounds like it may have been straight from the source (a cassette tape). It has less audience responds. The quality is a bit more clear than what I've heard previously but, u know it came from a tape.

[EDIT Changed the title as it sounded like a solicitation for the boot - Mars23]
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Reply #1 posted 01/06/10 12:34am

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Did you read the thing about bootlegs?
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Reply #2 posted 01/06/10 12:46am

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And it's not impromptu. There's a rehearsal video from The Warehouse earlier that day. They had it planned. It might have been a one-off performance, but it wasn't impromptu.
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Reply #3 posted 01/06/10 12:57am

sms130

ernestsewell said:

And it's not impromptu. There's a rehearsal video from The Warehouse earlier that day. They had it planned. It might have been a one-off performance, but it wasn't impromptu.

Oops, I did write "impromptu". SMH... U're right, it was a one-off performance. Thanx, 4 the correction.
[Edited 1/6/10 9:55am]
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Reply #4 posted 01/06/10 1:02am

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If you have Purple Rush and 26, you have the goods.

http://thedigitalgarden.org/26.html

26
2 CDR
Label: 4DaFunk
Cat No: #4DF 076-077
Running Time: 75:44 / 76:35
Source: Audience Recording
Quality: EX- / EX
Released: December 2009

*Review*

Damn, we really are being spoiled this month and this release is no exception. It’s hard to be constructive when trying to find fault in a release, all in some vain bid to sound neutral or unbiased and I admit that I’m having a hard time doing so with this beauty. This, 4DF’s latest, is simply stunning and I don’t use that word lightly. What we have here is the infamous birthday concert from 1984 which has been around for some time now, featuring on many bootlegs in the past and I’ve no doubt a lot of you will be all too familiar with it. So if you’re wondering what’s so special about this version then just take a listen and you’ll soon see. The audio quality presented here is without a doubt the best I’ve heard so far of this recording and blows all other versions out of the water. Don’t get me wrong, we’re not talking soundboard here but there’s no doubting this is clear, crisp, clean and loud. 4DF boast in their liner notes that you won’t find a better quality recording and I can’t disagree with them. For a 25 year old tape to sound this good really is something to shout about.

Anyway, enough fawning and drooling, if you’re not familiar with the content here then you should be ashamed of yourself. Where have you been?! Seriously though, it’s an absolutely top-notch performance. Prince is on fine form and the Revolution have rarely sounded as tight or funky. Erotic City is as good a version as you’re likely to ever here and let’s not forget (how could we?) Roadhouse Garden and Our Destiny, which get their one and only live airing. Something very special indeed.

Disc 2 covers the rehearsal for the very same birthday show, recorded the proceeding month and, again, this has been around for some time with 4DF freely admitting to sourcing this version from Sabotage’s Purple Rush series. However, they’ve spruced it up somewhat giving a much clearer edge to it and with a fair bit of noise reduction going on. On top of that they have also correctly pitched the recording so now it plays as it should. That said, the recording is a little uneven in places(where the sound quality is concerned) and there are some fluctuations here and there but it’s not a huge problem and doesn’t detract too much from any overall enjoyment. It’s a nice little rehearsal but there’s no real surprises, encompassing the majority of what was performed on the night. However, if you enjoy this type of thing it’s kinda fun to listen to, especially if you follow it straight up with the main performance as I find it allows you to view some of the renditions a little differently than you may have previously.

It’s a great feeling that after all this time we can still be surprised by getting something fresh and new to listen to and I’ve no doubt this tradition will continue. Hunt this down get yourself a real gem of a release for your collection.
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Reply #5 posted 01/06/10 1:07am

sms130

udo said:

Did you read the thing about bootlegs?

I didn't name the source. I didn't offer 2 give links nor am I asking 4 the name of the group/company of the distributor of the boot. I just want the name of the boot that was the best quality of that show. I just wanted 2 know others opinion on this. Then again, I think I have the better quality of the show already. Yet, I'm not telling. smile
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Reply #6 posted 01/06/10 1:08am

ernestsewell

squirrelgrease said:

If you have Purple Rush and 26, you have the goods.

http://thedigitalgarden.org/26.html

What's that other site w/ the bootlegs? The one you listed doesn't have a lot in it, and it's shit that should be there. The other site even listed my two boots. I forget the site though. I remember it being more comprehensive.
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Reply #7 posted 01/06/10 1:18am

sms130

squirrelgrease said:

If you have Purple Rush and 26, you have the goods.

http://thedigitalgarden.org/26.html

26
2 CDR
Label: 4DaFunk
Cat No: #4DF 076-077
Running Time: 75:44 / 76:35
Source: Audience Recording
Quality: EX- / EX
Released: December 2009

*Review*

Damn, we really are being spoiled this month and this release is no exception. It’s hard to be constructive when trying to find fault in a release, all in some vain bid to sound neutral or unbiased and I admit that I’m having a hard time doing so with this beauty. This, 4DF’s latest, is simply stunning and I don’t use that word lightly. What we have here is the infamous birthday concert from 1984 which has been around for some time now, featuring on many bootlegs in the past and I’ve no doubt a lot of you will be all too familiar with it. So if you’re wondering what’s so special about this version then just take a listen and you’ll soon see. The audio quality presented here is without a doubt the best I’ve heard so far of this recording and blows all other versions out of the water. Don’t get me wrong, we’re not talking soundboard here but there’s no doubting this is clear, crisp, clean and loud. 4DF boast in their liner notes that you won’t find a better quality recording and I can’t disagree with them. For a 25 year old tape to sound this good really is something to shout about.

Anyway, enough fawning and drooling, if you’re not familiar with the content here then you should be ashamed of yourself. Where have you been?! Seriously though, it’s an absolutely top-notch performance. Prince is on fine form and the Revolution have rarely sounded as tight or funky. Erotic City is as good a version as you’re likely to ever here and let’s not forget (how could we?) Roadhouse Garden and Our Destiny, which get their one and only live airing. Something very special indeed.

Disc 2 covers the rehearsal for the very same birthday show, recorded the proceeding month and, again, this has been around for some time with 4DF freely admitting to sourcing this version from Sabotage’s Purple Rush series. However, they’ve spruced it up somewhat giving a much clearer edge to it and with a fair bit of noise reduction going on. On top of that they have also correctly pitched the recording so now it plays as it should. That said, the recording is a little uneven in places(where the sound quality is concerned) and there are some fluctuations here and there but it’s not a huge problem and doesn’t detract too much from any overall enjoyment. It’s a nice little rehearsal but there’s no real surprises, encompassing the majority of what was performed on the night. However, if you enjoy this type of thing it’s kinda fun to listen to, especially if you follow it straight up with the main performance as I find it allows you to view some of the renditions a little differently than you may have previously.

It’s a great feeling that after all this time we can still be surprised by getting something fresh and new to listen to and I’ve no doubt this tradition will continue. Hunt this down get yourself a real gem of a release for your collection.


Yeah, thanx 4 this. I never read the review. One thing I see they didn't mention the other/alternate take of this show which sounds like it's from a tape. It's not the version u all have where u hear part of the audience chatting a tiny bit after 'Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden'. This one is a bit different.
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[Edited 1/6/10 9:54am]
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Reply #8 posted 01/06/10 1:27am

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ernestsewell said:

squirrelgrease said:

If you have Purple Rush and 26, you have the goods.

http://thedigitalgarden.org/26.html

What's that other site w/ the bootlegs? The one you listed doesn't have a lot in it, and it's shit that should be there. The other site even listed my two boots. I forget the site though. I remember it being more comprehensive.

If you mean thedatabank.org - it's now closed. I understand that the material on that site is being added to the site squirrelgrease has pointed to, which is work in progress - at letter 'B' by the looks of things.

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[Edited 1/6/10 1:28am]
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Reply #9 posted 01/06/10 6:23am

udo

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sms130 said:

udo said:

Did you read the thing about bootlegs?

I didn't name the source. I didn't offer 2 give links nor am I asking 4 the name of the group/company of the distributor of the boot. I just want the name of the boot that was the best quality of that show. I just wanted 2 know others opinion on this. Then again, I think I have the better quality of the show already. Yet, I'm not telling. smile

I do not need defensive laguage.
It is stuff out there that they (moderators, Prince, (C)-lunatics, etc) do not want you to discuss, obtain, etc.
So if you do not want to act UNamerican you should understand.
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #10 posted 01/06/10 7:42am

Dewrede

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^ bullshit , discussing it is fine , besides you're not a moderator or are you now

btw what do you mean with unamerican ?
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Reply #11 posted 01/06/10 9:31am

ernestsewell

udo said:

So if you do not want to act UNamerican you should understand.

What thee fuck???
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Reply #12 posted 01/06/10 9:36am

Dewrede

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^
exactly confused
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Reply #13 posted 01/06/10 9:53am

sms130

udo said:


I do not need defensive laguage.
It is stuff out there that they (moderators, Prince, (C)-lunatics, etc) do not want you to discuss, obtain, etc.
So if you do not want to act UNamerican you should understand.


Where is this "UNamerican" stuff coming from? Since when discussing a Prince boot is "UNamerican"? I understand what u're talking about and for the record u should look around this site read the rules also. I'm a fan of Prince music just like the rest of u all. Boots of Prince's music is still being discuss and still exist. We all know what was Prince motivation behind the 'Crystal Ball' album. He can still put 2gether projects from time 2 time and release them on the lotusflow3r site. Hey, that's here nor there. Whether it's here in American or a cross the otherside of the globe, it still exist. My post is not the first and won't be the last. Hardcord fans are gonna continue discussing those imfamous bootlegs. It's about how u discuss them and I do respect that and yet I don't want 2 step on no ones toes.
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Reply #14 posted 01/06/10 9:56am

sms130

sms130 said:

udo said:


I do not need defensive laguage.
It is stuff out there that they (moderators, Prince, (C)-lunatics, etc) do not want you to discuss, obtain, etc.
So if you do not want to act UNamerican you should understand.


Where is this "UNamerican" stuff coming from? Since when discussing a Prince boot is "UNamerican"? I understand what u're talking about and for the record u should look around this site and read the rules also. I'm a fan of Prince's music just like the rest of u all. Boots of Prince's music is still being discuss and still exist. We all know what was Prince motivation behind the 'Crystal Ball' album. He can still put 2gether projects from time 2 time and release them on the lotusflow3r site. Hey, that's here nor there. Whether it's here in American or a cross the otherside of the globe, it still exist. My post is not the first and won't be the last. Hardcore fans are gonna continue discussing those imfamous bootlegs. It's about how u discuss them and I do respect that and yet I don't want 2 step on no ones toes.

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Reply #15 posted 01/06/10 10:09am

ernestsewell

This whole thread is some bullshit now.
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Reply #16 posted 01/06/10 10:18am

sms130

ernestsewell said:

This whole thread is some bullshit now.

Y? What's the fuss now?!
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Reply #17 posted 01/06/10 1:01pm

squirrelgrease

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Dewrede said:

^ bullshit , discussing it is fine , besides you're not a moderator or are you now

btw what do you mean with unamerican ?
[Edited 1/6/10 7:43am]


Udo always throws in some offhanded stuff about America when he gets the chance. I don't mind. The US did elect a President with an extra chromosome for 2 terms.
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Reply #18 posted 01/06/10 1:03pm

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sms130 said:

squirrelgrease said:

If you have Purple Rush and 26, you have the goods.

http://thedigitalgarden.org/26.html



Yeah, thanx 4 this. I never read the review. One thing I see they didn't mention the other/alternate take of this show which sounds like it's from a tape. It's not the version u all have where u hear part of the audience chatting a tiny bit after 'Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden'. This one is a bit different.
[Edited 1/6/10 9:54am]
[Edited 1/6/10 9:54am]


What's the name of the boot that you have? There are several circulating.
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Reply #19 posted 01/06/10 2:27pm

sms130

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Reply #20 posted 01/07/10 9:36am

udo

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Dewrede said:

^ bullshit , discussing it is fine , besides you're not a moderator or are you now


What does the moderator thing have to do with udnerstanding the way things work?

btw what do you mean with unamerican ?

See?
Didn't you notice a trend in the behaviour of the **AA? The (C) lobby? The patent controversy? GMO developments?
And their government?
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #21 posted 01/07/10 9:42am

udo

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sms130 said:

udo said:


I do not need defensive laguage.
It is stuff out there that they (moderators, Prince, (C)-lunatics, etc) do not want you to discuss, obtain, etc.
So if you do not want to act UNamerican you should understand.


Where is this "UNamerican" stuff coming from? Since when discussing a Prince boot is "UNamerican"?

If you notice what america is all about in and outside of their borders you will see that anything going against their industrial complexes, cartels, etc is seen as a thing that should disappear.
See the DMCA, See ACTA in the secret making, see the lobbies for all their controlfreak imperialistic yet failing things.
Now that is what makes the bootleg policy here as well. Not common sense, not ethics, but greed.

Now I jokingly draw the line a but farther by explaining the initial questions as asking for the materials, sure, but the idea is still the same.
They do not want you to know. They do not want you to have, unless they can make a direct buck of it.
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #22 posted 01/07/10 9:54am

ernestsewell

udo said:

Dewrede said:

^ bullshit , discussing it is fine , besides you're not a moderator or are you now


What does the moderator thing have to do with udnerstanding the way things work?

btw what do you mean with unamerican ?

See?
Didn't you notice a trend in the behaviour of the **AA? The (C) lobby? The patent controversy? GMO developments?
And their government?

Whatever it is you're smoking....I'll just have a Hi-C.
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Reply #23 posted 01/07/10 9:58am

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squirrelgrease said:

Dewrede said:

^ bullshit , discussing it is fine , besides you're not a moderator or are you now

btw what do you mean with unamerican ?
[Edited 1/6/10 7:43am]


Udo always throws in some offhanded stuff about America when he gets the chance. I don't mind. The US did elect a President with an extra chromosome for 2 terms.

lol lol
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Reply #24 posted 01/07/10 11:07am

Dewrede

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udo said:

Dewrede said:

^ bullshit , discussing it is fine , besides you're not a moderator or are you now


What does the moderator thing have to do with udnerstanding the way things work?

btw what do you mean with unamerican ?

See?
Didn't you notice a trend in the behaviour of the **AA? The (C) lobby? The patent controversy? GMO developments?
And their government?


no need to bash an entire nation for their incompotent ex president
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Reply #25 posted 01/07/10 3:39pm

sms130

udo said:

sms130 said:



Where is this "UNamerican" stuff coming from? Since when discussing a Prince boot is "UNamerican"?

If you notice what america is all about in and outside of their borders you will see that anything going against their industrial complexes, cartels, etc is seen as a thing that should disappear.
See the DMCA, See ACTA in the secret making, see the lobbies for all their controlfreak imperialistic yet failing things.
Now that is what makes the bootleg policy here as well. Not common sense, not ethics, but greed.

Now I jokingly draw the line a but farther by explaining the initial questions as asking for the materials, sure, but the idea is still the same.
They do not want you to know. They do not want you to have, unless they can make a direct buck of it.


Lay off with all of that "UNamerican" crap. I'm a fan of Prince's music just like the rest of u all. I respect the privacy issue that Prince have and I respect this site. The privacy of music is still an issue here (in america) and around the globe. Boots of Prince's music is still being discuss and still exist. We all know what was Prince motivation behind the 'Crystal Ball' album. He can still put 2gether projects from time 2 time and release them on the lotusflow3r site. Hey, that's here nor there. Whether it's here in American or a cross the otherside of the globe, it still exist. My post is not the first and won't be the last. Hardcore fans are gonna continue discussing those imfamous bootlegs. It's about how u discuss them and I do respect that and yet I don't want 2 step on no ones toes.
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Reply #26 posted 01/07/10 5:29pm

xlr8r

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All I have is the one called Birthday Partying which is bad quality.
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