I have always said that Prince should keep his music off there and continue to make a point, fuck what so called fans think. All artists should step up to the plate and not let a hand-full of artists do the dirty work for them.
Some have scoffed at the notion, but recently Fox's Rupert Murdock threatened Google to take all their product off their search engine and made them cry uncle real quick. People giggled and scoffed at litigation against Pirate Bay, and last I heard those fools were licking their wounds crying in a corner somewhere feeling sorry for themselves.

Until better safeguards are set in place to protect artists and intellectual property, artists and rights holders have to quickly get together to get new worldwide standards set in place ASAP to ease some of their financial hemorrhaging.
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violetblues said:

OK, but how does someone trying to play a Prince song on a piano or guitar hurt him in any way? It's not pirating a copy of his music - it's watching someone who really enjoys the music, and who spent a lot of time trying to learn it.

I have always said that Prince should keep his music off there and continue to make a point, fuck what so called fans think. All artists should step up to the plate and not let a hand-full of artists do the dirty work for them.
Some have scoffed at the notion, but recently Fox's Rupert Murdock threatened Google to take all their product off their search engine and made them cry uncle real quick. People giggled and scoffed at litigation against Pirate Bay, and last I heard those fools were licking their wounds crying in a corner somewhere feeling sorry for themselves.

Until better safeguards are set in place to protect artists and intellectual property, artists and rights holders have to quickly get together to get new worldwide standards set in place ASAP to ease some of their financial hemorrhaging.
[Edited 12/18/09 19:47pm]

How does the kool-aid taste, violetblues? Looks like you've been drinking plenty of it!

Ohh, so we feel when someone's rights may be infringed but not others.

There will have to be comprises that go both ways, but right now, the only one's having the discussion are Prince and a few other artists.
This is an issue that is not going away and the sooner artists and other media producers and right's holders come to terms and seriously deal with it the better.

Sorry, I still don't understand (and I am trying to). I get what you are saying if it relates to people distributing other peoples work, if they are obtaining it for free, or if they are profiting from it. I think there can be some intelligent discussion there.

But, if I create a YouTube video where I struggle through a solo - who is losing money here? Who's rights are being infringed upon? Will it cause people to not buy a Prince CD because they can here it for free from me (ridiculous) ?????

Now if he is doing it to protect copyright infringement, well that may be a different story - funny laws there. If you do not fight every case then you can lose your rights - but I don't think that applies here (lawyers speak up if I am wrong).

vman4639 said:

A recent 1.6 million judgment against Google, plus yearly payment for use use brought on by ASCAP is a step in the right direction.

Just like hotels and restaurants have to pay yearly payments to ASCAP for music played through the speakers or in the dinning areas, or bands playing cover tunes, or Karaoke machines, if something you do that includes other peoples work is published and made public like you do when you post on Youtube, then the same rules should apply. If you play your solo and keep it at home and play it for you and your friends own entertainment is another story.

Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use."


^
i have seen a few of them with this in description and they arent getting muted or taken down.

someone had to find a loophole eventually

minneapolisFunq said:

Excellent - so my earlier post concerning teaching someone how to play a section of a song seems to fit in there nicely.

without fans your nothing .. put a f'n vid up for gods sake u child. your the artist cause we helpd you get there!

fingertips said:

Prince is fortunate to have the chops to make a living touring, many artists such as songwriters do not.
People may feign fake sadness when they hear about Motown artists who died broke, because when it come right down to it, people only care about themselves.

Good luck with any new artist trying to make it on Youtube fans alone, lol I would love to hear about some Youtube artist that became a huge success because of its Youtube fan base.

Artists must insist that their work have value and treat their work accordingly.
Sales are way down but It's not because there is not a market for music, its just that artists and music providers kept playing the same game while technology moved past them.
If demand and market wasn't there, you wouldnt be getting all these morons in a hissy fit clamoring to keep getting it free.
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In November 2005, Way posted his songs on the website SoundClick. Following positive reviews on the site, he then established his own web pages on YouTube and MySpace.[9][10] In March 2007, he recorded "Crank That" and released his first independent album Unsigned & Still Major: Da Album Before da Album, followed by a low-budget video filmed demonstrating the "Crank That dance". By the end of May 2007, "Crank That (Soulja Boy)" received its first airplay and Way met with Mr. Collipark to sign a deal with Interscope Records.

On August 12, 2007, the song appeared on the Emmy-award winning HBO series Entourage, and by September 1, it topped the Billboard Hot 100 and Hot RingMasters charts.[11] Way's major label debut album Souljaboytellem.com, which was reportedly recorded using just the demo version of FL Studio,[8][12] was released in the United States on October 2,[13] peaking at #4 on both the Billboard 200 and Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums charts.

Soulja Boy Tell 'Em!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...Tell_%27Em



Before any of you Leave Prince Alone Brigadiers out there, get your panties in a twist...NO I AM NOT COMPARING SOULJA BOY TO PRINCE! I am simply presenting a new artist that HAS made it big utilizing the power of Youtube.

Now if an unknown upstart could pull that off with a little effort on his part, just imagine for a moment if you will, what Prince could do with what he has in his repertoire to bring to the table, if he ever got his head out of the chemtrail clouds long enough to take a look at the big picture!

There's a whole world full of people or as Prince's camp apparently likes to think of them...CASHCOWS...out there that have never heard of Prince but you can bet your ass...they have heard of and use Youtube!

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Whether we like it or not, a new mechanism...will be set...and you all are just going to have to deal with it.

fingertips said:

Prince is fortunate to have the chops to make a living touring, many artists such as songwriters do not.
People may feign fake sadness when they hear about Motown artists who died broke, because when it come right down to it, people only care about themselves.

Good luck with any new artist trying to make it on Youtube fans alone, lol I would love to hear about some Youtube artist that became a huge success because of its Youtube fan base.

Artists must insist that their work have value and treat their work accordingly.
Sales are way down but It's not because there is not a market for music, its just that artists and music providers kept playing the same game while technology moved past them.
If demand and market wasn't there, you wouldnt be getting all these morons in a hissy fit clamoring to keep getting it free.
[Edited 12/19/09 9:45am]

Apparently there has been quite a few people who posted vidoes of themselves singing on YouTube & signed record deals! I think YouTube should pay royalties for each play a song gets on there, just like radio. It's a great promotional tool though, for me it's great to discover new bands/artists. For example I heard a lot about Sly Stone & Earth Wind & Fire on here last year, checked them out on YouTube, loved it, baught the CD's!