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Riverpoet31 said: Last essential album (in terms of defining what makes his greatest music so ...well...essential):
Sign of the Times Last great album (not essential in terms of originality and innovation, but very solid all-over in terms of songwriting, musicianship and production): The Gold Experience BS I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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SUPRMAN said: nosajd said: You know I'm going to have to go w/ Lotusflow3r. But I hate that Elixer is tied up w/ it but I guess it's a good coaster for ur drink while u're listening to MPLSound or LF. Look, there's some pretty sweet songs on both of those discs. Dreamer, WoB, OSC, NMC4U, C&C, & a bunch more.
I think this is his best collection of work since TGE. If LF didn't exist I would have said the TGE but I think MPLS follows thru & shows Prince is still as diverse & raw sounding as ever. I would still have prefered more grit, but TGE wasn't any grittier w/ the exception of the PA & his scream I considered Lotus Flow3r also but it's derivative notes and Bria's disc don't make it essential. Or better, don't let it be essential. [Edited 11/14/09 15:01pm] Well I would certainly say that LF & MPLSound r waaaaay more essential than 3121 but that's just me. BUt u're right, Elixer is just like stuck to this set. I did like Prince's performance of Elixer @ Montreux though- wow! Don't get me wrong I am no 3121 hater @ all, in fact I love it but LF & MPLSound hit me more, minus Chocolate Box & TNBALM. | |
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daPrettyman said: Efan said: No, not really. TRC and PR, yes. But Gold Experience wouldn't get in just because of his name being  . Not for me anyway. Which isn't to say I don't enjoy TGE. I do. But I see it as a really good example of Prince's inability to leave well enough alone--it marks (for me) the beginning of Prince's overproducing. There's way too much going on in several of the songs (the ones I mentioned above). Those flaws stand way out to me on the album, and they signaled a bad change in his production style that hasn't really gone away.I get your point and understand where you are coming from, but when you are saying "essential", you have to say TGE is essential....good or bad....like it or not. I don't consider myself a huge fan of the PR album, but it is an essential P album/project. I love TRC and consider it essential (JW and all). To me,this topic is not about how much you like an album. It's about a career essential album. What the hell?!! Says who?!!! YOU???! Even if it's about a career essential album, what makes your opinion the penultimate definer of 'essential?' It's enough that it's essential to you. Prince would probably consider them all essential as that was the material he chose to release. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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chrisslope9 said: ForbiddenFruit said: sign 'o' the times, maybe lovesexy.
can't believe everyone mentions the gold experience. the casual listener knew that it was average at best - look at the sales-figures! many songs were better done before: gold - purple rain 319 - kiss i hate u - international lover dolphin (how beautiful do the words have 2 be, before they conquer every heart) - when doves cry (how can u just leave me standing alone in a world that's so cold) now is not better than housequake, irresistible bitch or sexy mf pussy control - hot thing the standout track could have been the most beautiful girl in the world, but the remix ruined it. endorphinmachine is overproduced. shy is good - and was mentioned as best track in many reviews. i dont remember a 10/10 or 5/5 etc. review. and they were right. 3121? essential? essential?! like purple rain or 1999?? like songs in the key of life? you must be joking. [Edited 11/10/09 14:57pm] [Edited 11/10/09 15:02pm] Look at the sales figures for SOTT What sales figures have to do with being essential? Guess that exclude The Rainbow Children' huh? I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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nosajd said: SUPRMAN said: I considered Lotus Flow3r also but it's derivative notes and Bria's disc don't make it essential. Or better, don't let it be essential. [Edited 11/14/09 15:01pm] Well I would certainly say that LF & MPLSound r waaaaay more essential than 3121 but that's just me. BUt u're right, Elixer is just like stuck to this set. I did like Prince's performance of Elixer @ Montreux though- wow! Don't get me wrong I am no 3121 hater @ all, in fact I love it but LF & MPLSound hit me more, minus Chocolate Box & TNBALM. I like both of those. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Is the question about essential albums for a music collection or a prince collection? "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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The Gold Experience. It's A Real Mother For Ya
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Another vote for The Gold Experience, although 3121 comes pretty close. |
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moderatorSUPRMAN said: daPrettyman said: I get your point and understand where you are coming from, but when you are saying "essential", you have to say TGE is essential....good or bad....like it or not. I don't consider myself a huge fan of the PR album, but it is an essential P album/project. I love TRC and consider it essential (JW and all). To me,this topic is not about how much you like an album. It's about a career essential album. What the hell?!! Says who?!!! YOU???! Even if it's about a career essential album, what makes your opinion the penultimate definer of 'essential?' It's enough that it's essential to you. Prince would probably consider them all essential as that was the material he chose to release. TGE is a defining moment in describing Prince/ . Like it or not. It is the debut cd of .**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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OnlyNDaUsa said: Is the question about essential albums for a music collection or a prince collection?
both really,both in the context of our little purple world and also for music journos, friends whom you would recommend to , etc. If I were being picky these are the only albums that I can honestly describe as an essential part of anyones's P collection: 1999 P. Rain Parade SOTT Lovesexy TGE TRC Loutus Flower [single CD NOT the triple set!] I suspect many would broadly agree with these choices. It also shows how unsustainable the golden 80's period was. Don't get me wrong I love Cd's like D&P, Symbol, 3121, Prince etc BUT many are just a good / solid song collection that are enjoyable to groove to but serve little other purpose. Likewise though how many other artists could give us so much choice/. Even if we look at say JB's vast back catalogue we'd end up with just a hand full of 'essential' albums. | |
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Darwintheorgangrinder said: Graycap23 said: If u dig Prince? All of them.
That's how I feel. even NPS and Rave?, come on people get real!. | |
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The Truth Every day should b a COSMIC DAY! | |
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cosmicday2010 said: The Truth
Co-sign. Personally . I think we are all Boring with No Lives cause all we do is talk about Prince,Criticize and Gossip. I need a Horny Man is what I Need and probably so do most of yas. We are Sexually Frustrated what we R... Amen..!!! - zelaire | |
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funkyhead said: Darwintheorgangrinder said: That's how I feel. even NPS and Rave?, come on people get real!. There's good trax on both those albums tho  | |
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definately the last one all day long | |
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daPrettyman said: SUPRMAN said: What the hell?!! Says who?!!! YOU???! Even if it's about a career essential album, what makes your opinion the penultimate definer of 'essential?' It's enough that it's essential to you. Prince would probably consider them all essential as that was the material he chose to release. TGE is a defining moment in describing Prince/ . Like it or not. It is the debut cd of .That's debatable. And it's debatable whether it's even important. Prince was already going by for quite a while before that, so it wasn't really new when the album was released (he was when Come was released, no matter what it says on the cover of the album). Also, he released all those stupid variation EPs of TMBGITW under . Of course they're not albums, but it's not like The Gold Experience really ushered in the era--it had already started. | |
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funkyhead said: Darwintheorgangrinder said: That's how I feel. even NPS and Rave?, come on people get real!. NPS is my Top Ten Prince albums. I wouldn't call it essential but it is his best R & B album. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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Efan said: daPrettyman said: TGE is a defining moment in describing Prince/ . Like it or not. It is the debut cd of .That's debatable. And it's debatable whether it's even important. Prince was already going by for quite a while before that, so it wasn't really new when the album was released (he was when Come was released, no matter what it says on the cover of the album). Also, he released all those stupid variation EPs of TMBGITW under . Of course they're not albums, but it's not like The Gold Experience really ushered in the era--it had already started. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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rave un2 the joy fantastic, a cool album! All u haters need to recognize, if u cant c right through these lies, good gawd! | |
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razord said: rave un2 the joy fantastic, a cool album!
Yeah, that album is essential, it shows people that Prince can cut an absolutely sucky album. We are all so full of  here | |
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SUPRMAN said: 3121
big mac, whopper, tripple deluxe cosign. We are all so full of here | |
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SUPRMAN said: Riverpoet31 said: Last essential album (in terms of defining what makes his greatest music so ...well...essential):
Sign of the Times Last great album (not essential in terms of originality and innovation, but very solid all-over in terms of songwriting, musicianship and production): The Gold Experience BS I also agree with this, what is the love for Gold? I know that the love of music is subjective, but Gold pales to RBC, Musicology, and even PE and LotusFl./Mplsnd. For me, you could take SHH and throw the rest of that album away. We are all so full of here | |
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The Gold Experience is brilliant, grandiose >> the SOTT album of the 1990s:
3121, Musicology, Planet Earth are all among Prince's weakest albums, imo: 01. Purple Rain (10) 02. Sign "O" The Times (10) 03. 1999 (10) 04. Lovesexy (10) 05. Parade (10) 06. Around The World In A Day (10) 07. The Gold Experience (10) 08. Dirty Mind (10) 09. Controversy (9) 10. Diamonds & Pearls (9) 11. Love Symbol Album (9) 12. Come (9) 13. Black Album (9) 14. The Rainbow Children (9) 15. Graffiti Bridge (8) 16. Prince (8) 17. Crystal Ball (8) 18. Emancipation (8) 19. For You (8) 20. Batman (8) 21. LotusFlower / MPLSound (8) 22. Musicology (7) 23. Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic (7) 24. 3121 (6) 25. The Truth (6) 26. Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (6) 27. The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale (6) 28. Chaos & Disorder (6) 29. The Chocolate Invasion (6) 30. Slaughterhouse (6) 31. Planet Earth (5) 32. Newpower Soul (4) 33. ONA Piano (3) 34. N.E.W.S. (2) 35. ONA... Live (2) 36. Indigo Nights (2) 37. Kamasutra (0) [Edited 11/16/09 5:14am] Prince 4Ever.  | |
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um that symbol album is the last one i liked top to bottom without wanting to throw it away .. that doesnt mean i like the tony m raps ... but a lot of good songs on there for sure .. blue light morning papers pimp rag tootsy pop and a cane ... to the nines ... melt with u ... other albums still had a couple good song like the most beautiful remix or dig u better dead .. where every u go ... love u but dont trust u ... fury .. but there is a lot of extra cringe factor and i cant call an album full of cringe essential .. i'll excuse the cringe on d n p and symbol cuz its mostly due to the rapper and the songs are sooo good but after that it all gets sketchy ... essential would be the wb hits 3 cds ... thats the place to start for sure ... prince would make a great nother hits post wb package but the albums as a whole are getting worse unfortunately | |
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funkyhead said: Darwintheorgangrinder said: That's how I feel. even NPS and Rave?, come on people get real!. Yes.....even those. | |
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Graycap23 said: funkyhead said: even NPS and Rave?, come on people get real!. Yes.....even those. i worry about you!. by the way where's all the great inside scoops you used to give us!. | |
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funkyhead said: Graycap23 said: Yes.....even those. i worry about you!. by the way where's all the great inside scoops you used to give us!. U will miss Prince one of these days.....and u will be appreciating NPS and Rave. | |
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MattyJam said: dionisis said: The last essential album would be Lovesexy - every album since is either average or utter shit.
No, that's just what you're talking. Ha haaaaa - such a reply has just reminded me why i don't come on here to give my opinion much any more. | |
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There are a lot of great P songs from the 90s but no truly great albums on par with the 80s ones. So I'd have to say Lovesexy. | |
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OK im gonna go with The Truth album. To me it's the last time i felt i was listening to real greatness on a consistent level. OK there's Animal Kingdom on there but as a whole it's the last time Prince released something that i considered truly worthy of his name.
There's good stuff on Lotusflow3r though and i liked the concept of The Rainbow Children even if the music was dull. Overall it would be 1997 and The Truth for his last essential album. [Edited 11/17/09 10:21am] [Edited 11/17/09 10:22am] | |
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