PurpleKnight said:

Dave1992 said:

Yeah, and some prince fans think he can do no wrong, some are obsessed by him enough to go to paisley park, some think he has psychic powers and is a prophet. Some think he's a musical genius. On and on, you're missing the point goofballs. Put your thinking cap on instead of throwing out generic insults of "idiot" or "nutjob". The point is, man is in my opinion a genius, and also he is a very flawed human being. Do I really hate him? Of course not. But you are so mentally lazy that you won't even try to get the point, why even waste the energy replying.

mozfonky said:

The point is that you wrote a long diatribe about a man you do not personally know as if he offended you personally. The only thing it is your business to know, and this goes for any of us, is the art he creates.

You are gossiping about a man you do not know. That is the ultimate triviality.

PurpleKnight said:

Yeah? What is this whole site for man? Tell me? And his behavior is pretty well documented. If you can't accept that then who has the problem?

PurpleKnight said:

Plus, you are defending yourself by telling us that there are fans who act like nutjobs in the other way - by being over-obsessed about a man they do not know personally and probably never even will talk to in person - which is, in my opinion, the definition of a Prince fan who is a total nutjob.

mozfonky said:

But there's a big difference between showing interest in a man for his music and his on-stage persona and taking it with a pinch of salt and live your obsession for him with a tongue in cheek, or get over-excited - or over-mad - about what he does in his spare time and how he treats his fans. It's his life and his business. If you like the music and you think it's worth the 10-20$, go into a wrecka store and buy it. If you don't, cool! Just leave.

Dave1992 said:

Whether you guys like it or not, the man has lost a ton of fans over the years. Whether you guys like it or not, a persons behavior,beliefs etc.., does have an effect on how people feel about you or your music in general, if you don't believe that, go ask a few people who still think MJ was a molestor if they still like his music. One of my friends recently told me not to tell him anymore about Chuck Berry's extracurricular activities because "I like his music" and he didn't want to think about how perverted the man was when he listens to him. And finally, whether you like it or not a persons behavior does matter, it may not matter to you or me but it matters.

^
what about Chuck Berry ?
what did he do ?

Dave1992 said:

and you are calling someone you don't even know and will never meet a "nutjob" just because you don't agree with their opinion. Anyway, I thought this thread was dead and some rabble rouser tries to bring it back. Must be some truth to it.

Dewrede said:

Chuck was one of the best perverts ever in rock history, well, we all know he was probably falsely accused of screwing underaged girls in the 50's but the things he did since then are a little less well known. He likes to piss on white women and say "i'd kiss you baby but you're all pissy" and then he had a camera in a female restroom in his restaurant. He served several stints behind bars. Truth be told, all the early rockers were deviants.

mozfonky said:

you sound like you read OBSESSED (soz for the spelling mistake) by alex kahn) im not sure how much of that book is true

Did you know about reverse psychology?

mozfonky said:

WOW!!mozfonky you are a fighter. That's Good.

If people getting to know the worst side of Prince becomes so offended (the people) by taking this on such a personal level, it means that some of them found something so special in Prince that makes this high contrast hurtful in a way.
The majority probably would think that he is a musical genius and he has a ego at least as big as his talent, and some of them share the fact that Prince, has become a sort of point of reference in their lives, surely each one for different reasons, it could be just for the music or his persona, maybe a mix of both,also the misterious aura around his talent, the controversial choices taken in his life ecc.
As a matter of fact I'm one of them, "Prince" has an impact in my life. I make music for living, I would have made it without P anyway but for sure it did affect my perception on how to produce music, the vision of how a show should be...I was fascinated by other things too, so getting to know prince, well at least "about Prince", has often meant for me a chance of deep thinking (if you know what I mean as odd as it sounds), joy and confrontation

well, do I have a life?
yes, I do. I have persons that I feel special for and persons that are special for me, I have memories and hopes, just like everybody.
Why do I write this? every relationship, even the most romantic and open, on a certain level is just about having / giving. some people have a relationship with prince even if they don't know him personally (obviously prince has a relationship with a whole of people that he desn't know), in the end how much am I taking in enjoying the music,in being amazed by the performances, in analizing Princes' words and faces, in discussing the way Prince's output has influenced things and people? how much time and energy am I giving away in doing this?
if the result of your "minus" (giving) is higher than your "plus" (taking), chance is that you should quit Prince for a while, otherwise keep dreaming about Prince. In both ways, I know you have a life but...GET A GRIP!

yours sincerely, feB

I mean "in both cases"

Angelica777 said:

Yes I am, figuratively and literally.

feB said:

If you've read my posts you'd know exactly where I was coming from and you wouldn't see what i'm saying is such a polarized way. Of course I don't "Hate" Prince, I made a thread of "love" to juxatopose this one but because there are so many loons on here gushing over every little thing regarding Prince it was immediately locked. I was trying to express something which seems totally lost at this point. You know, our heroes are accountable for their actions and they do reflect on how people feel about them in general. It's never a case of it being "just the art" never. Doesn't mean we have to have any moral leaders but our symbols are expected to justify any adulation they recieve in spite of failures. When Elvis' fans think of him, they more likely think of the great things he did as a human being rather than the horrible things. With Prince it seems really out of balance. You know, I recall meeting Charles Cross, author/former Springsteen nut and he summed Bruce up saying "he's not what you think he is" and not long after seemed to hold a deep contempt of the man for not living up to an image. I reiterate, we can't reasonably expect any great moral, philosophical or intellectual epiphanies out of our pop stars but history shows that we discard those who cross a certain line in behavior. Prince never truly has done that but...when you have listened to his love songs for years and years and believes he has great respect for women (as an example) and you find out that he may very well have been physically abusive to women it makes hearing something like "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" a little different to listen to.

Happy Thanksgiving, ya'll!

btw...what's a "shim"? (from the first page)

Rogue588 said:

a person of questionable gender, like Prince.

mozfonky said:

You are so right. I respect your view ,I don't think you are a loon,you are just being honest. And even through Prince music is not his personality. People are going to believe what they want. But you can be honest we need more people
like you. See I like music of all kinds and maybe we should not worship Prince
as he is just a man.Not saying you are doing that, because on this site some people are very mean.Because some women see him as being so kind,loving, romance. That this man has no flaws, but he is a man and he writes and arrange music loving music. So I think the Prince that the fans see on the outside is
what is coming across. The one inside is the one other people see. So I think we should respect both sides. But telling the truth should not hurt anyone..

mozfonky said:

I totally understand your point, did I offend you? I didnt mean it, and I didnt read the "love" post. whatever answer and question I wrote it was pointed to me too.