HonestMan13 said:

Thank you .

And I still joined the new Lotisflow3r KNOWING what to expect.
I got my T-shirt, I got my Crystal Ball 11 years ago, I got all of my stuff with the NPGMC. Was I still dissapointed with the product ? Hell yes.

You know what you are getting with Prince. So cowboy up and be ready to get fucked. Is it right no but I chose to spend my money anyway.

Now you have the right to be pissed if you did not get what you were promised but lets raise Hell together instead of blasting EVERYTHING or ANYONE who likes the little bastard.

cborgman said:

If Lotusflow3r.com was the personal slap in the face some orgers take it to be then I'd be long gone but I don't invest too much in the promises of any celebrity. It's great if Prince does everything that he says crossed his mind to do but if not then so be it. As a fan of Prince we all have the option of supporting him or abandoning him. Criticism of Prince is only worth it if it's constructive to effect a change. Complaining to other fans will not get you your 77 dollars back and it just paints you as bitter. Now explaining why no one else should join Lotusflow3r.com in a thread would probably come across as more informative to those trying to make that choice. A pointless tirade against something an individual is going to continue to support is just that pointless!

cborgman said:

and another orger said it best "if prince told them to jump they would be asking "how high?"

thebumpsquad said:

If you read back...your question was to another poster, not me. You also quoted his message. So no need to be rude.

But if you really want me to answer YOUR question I'll say this.

When sweeping statements such as "Prince shut down HQ" and "Prince is this and Prince is that" peppers certain folks' posts, then the credibility of such folk are no longer worthy to me. I prefer to go along with the thinking of legal professionals, Prince and AEG.

Law suits take years and this is a landmark turn in the industry. It would not be as big as this if it was all about nothing.

http://www.google.com/sea...1I7SKPB_en

PurpleDiamond2009 said:

I don't even know what a fam is so you're wasting your time.

thebumpsquad said:

I'll bet Prince turned a lovely shade of crimson after seeing the Housquake imprint on that photo.

I have no desire to file a complain because I didn't make the stupid decision to join the site. I never have actually.

Some of the craziest stuff I've read in a while is included in this thread and related ones. My favourite argument still is: "Hey, you knew you were going to be ripped off, then you got, and now you don't have a right to complain." Close second: "He's an artist. He doesn't owe you anything." ...and no. 3 goes to: "Well I'm satisfied with what i got" (most popular bonus punch: "...so everybody else has to shut up!").

L-M-F-A-O!

Prince's "fans" sure are among the most ridiculous people in the world, if there ever was a doubt about that, now's the time to acknowledge it.

FunkyDissCo said:

Exactly. Constantly whining and complaining about an artist you don´t even like is beyond ridiculous.

Bohemian67 said:

I posed the question in a general term as it was being passed off as a fact that HQ infringed Prince's intellectual property rights - a statement you yourself believed with a "cool, thanks for that" post.

I then asked for a specific example, something I'm still waiting for. From either the person who made the statement, or one of the believers (that would be you).

As for sweeping statements, you yourself are making numerous on this thread by falsely accusing others of breaching Prince's rights without having a single piece of evidence.

Character defamation and harassment issues are not the same as copyright, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself they are.

So anyway, back to his shitty fans.

Tame edit
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HonestMan13 said:

but what is the difference between constructive criticism and what you are decrying as bitter? what is the difference between explaining why no one should join lotusflower and the posts about what a ripoff lotusflower is in this thread?

PurpleDiamond2009 said:

my response would be "midget, please. gimme some unreleased material and i might."

Bohemian67 said:

fam: zealot who prince could kick them in the face and they would smile and say "HE TOUCHED ME!!!"

ernestsewell said:

smart man. i didnt fall for npgmc (no credit card at the beginning, and once i heard of the board censorship there: no FUCKING way, not to mention a memory of the crystal ball debacle), but did for lotusflower, which makes me an even bigger idiot.
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cborgman said:

The difference between being critical and being bitter is reading the posts from the individuals postings. I agree with 90% of everything critical stated about Lotisflow3r.com in regards to the lack of substantial material. I agree with 60% of what is stated on here about the death of Housequake. There are people here on this site who can make very rational defenses of their positions and I might disagree with some of those but I can read and at least understand their stances.

Others come here everytime a new release and say negative things about the music.Or they will come here and state how (fill in the blank former associated artist) new album is better than Prince's new output. Next it's someone from the old AMP bitching about Crystal Ball.(Which 10 years ago really made sense but now it's tired bullshit.)

It's people who have blasted me on this site that I really like reading their rants because they make sense. The ORG is on it's game when good disagreements start and we used to have discussions about the stuff. Now it's lame ass flame wars and web bullying.

Start a survey or a thread of people who used to post here and now just lurk because of the massive negativity here and I think the answer would shock.

muleFunk said:

well, i can't speak for everyone, but as an old school orger (almost 7 years and over 40,000 posts), here's the reason i don't do much more thank lurk in this forum, when i can even stomach that. the fams go somewhat crazy when middle of the road peeps like me and you post intelligent and fair reviews of subpar material. they attack to the point it's not even worth posting and trying to have a discussion.

granted there are trolls, who are relentlessly negative for the sake of stirring up the fams (every board has them), but they are a small minority and are best ignored. there is however, a vast multitude of their counterparts, the fams, who are just as disruptive and rabid.

and the sad part is it wasn't like this in the old days. this forum used to have a sense of humor and a balance. now, with npgmc closed, we are rather overrun with the purple kool-aid drinking fams who would angrily defend a cd of prince farting repeatedly.

that's just me though.

cborgman said:

No it's not cborgman

^^definitely you are not alone!!

the real question is why isn't he doing something with Lotusfailure.com to keep his fan-base happy?

why did he take our money and run....and where has that money gone...
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You are right but don't forget the people who would lynch Prince for any damn reason too.

However you really hit it home, the balence is not there.

jimino1 said:

Now that is what pisses me off with Prince and the whole HQ/Org/other fam sites debacle. Prince easily could let or pay people like HQ or Ben to run the fan end of it and have his business people or some of "us" that were on the up and up run the CD/distribution of his stuff. The web thing is not that hard once you get around copyrights and payments.

The people who are running the websites did 100000% better job that what he's doing with Lotusflow3r. And Lotus is lightyears better than NPGMC.

He has the best fans, we stuck with him through the 90's and bought Rave & Emancipation. We played "The Rainbow Children" over and over in hopes of one day liking it.
We give Prince our money to pre-order a cd or website even though we know better.
While most 80's pop stars have been abandoned by their fans, we were still eagerly trading early snippets of "chocolate box" and "planet earth" before their release.

Prince is a great artist, supported by great fans.
Yes we are crazy, no doubt, but we are not MJ fan delusional, and THAT'S a BIG BIG plus for him, us and the entire world.
lets give ourselves a big round of applause.....and by that, i mean a big kick in the butt


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violetblues said:

the mj fams make our prince fans look like haters by comparison. the mj fams scare the crap outta me.

remember this one?

allegedly, several committed suicide after mj died.


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I love Prince... on a microphone...a CD..and the stage..

i don't know him to judge him..

i lost that "GA GA" bulls%$# a few years back for ethical reasons..

i can love the artist and back away from the man...

It's the Haters, not the real fans that won't leave him alone.

thebumpsquad said:

The OP was about negative fans hating on Prince. Immediately the "so inclined" lstarted throwing punches at the OP and other posters for their comments. Reply 25 says "it has nothing to do with Prince it has to do with the internet and the people on it." Meaning just because a few opinions on a board say the man is "the worst bully, liar, fraudelent businesman there is" doesn't make it the truth. Then the name calling and swearing began. There is a difference between speaking intelligently & courteously and just "letting it all hang out," just to boost one's ego. Go and count how many allegations there are against Prince. in this entire thread. From people, who either, want their own fame and fortune or job from him or who feel diddled out of money.

When someone tries to see the other side of the coin, (Prince's side) they are attacked, critisized and called names, again only making my point correct that it's "not about Prince but people on the internet." You find my "empathy" waffle. So be it. I find your lack of empathy, blind. You tell me you're telling me something for the "zillioneth time" when I've never spoken to you here before. So what's the deal? I don't know you, or who is from ex-HQ and I don't care, I've been on this board since August.

Your "brothers in arms" shared info about a "font" that was considered copyright. A previous thread "Were you threatened/sued by Prince" led to admittances of copyright infringement by certain "so inclined" fans. In this thread, the reason of bitterness and closure of HQ became clear. The claim is that "Prince shut down HQ" but alas, there's no evidence of that.

Post 108 from BEYONDSPACE also said: "I think Aaron was asking for it. He knew that Prince and his camp didn't like photoshopped images on the header, but yet Aaron or whoever did it constantly. Even changed his symbol. Prince's camp provided housequake with banners and album art, but still they did that photoshopped header that looked like it could have been official but wasn't. I knew it wouldn't stay there for long."
When Prince's camp provides art etc but people photoshop and change things I would call that harassment.

As far as answering your question and this is my last post to you. You of all people should know that an example of something infringing copyright versus something "deemed to be of fair use" is a grey area.

muleFunk said:

Prince would be making a mistake if he did that. The word fan comes from "fanatic" right?

muleFunk said:

Join any other forum on line, be it sport, religion or another topic.
It's the same everywhere. It's noT the topic. IT'S THE PEOPLE!!!!!