...than 80's Prince. Sure the songs were a lil less.."colorful/whimsical"...but lyrically & stylistically there was this underground cool 2 Prince's "dead" Era. He was just as daring, just in a different way.

I was gonna say the songs were less challenging, but i dont even think thats true.


i know some will agree and some wont, but this is a complete 180 from when i first became a fan.

now that i've had years to listen to everything from 76 to now...i really think P post- D&P had an intirely different cool that may have even superseded the revolution era.

just sayin..

Actually, I agree with you. I think he was really definining his personhood in that time rather than being a collection of persons by album. He was evolving into a psychic vampire that more or less kept a singular focus. Too bad religion fucked it all up.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

do you really think religion fucked it up? maybe its just the church boy in me (and i aint religions biggest fan neither) but its hard for me to see religion fuckin up princes thing. i think rainbow children is some of the greatest work he's done in his latter years..

"we dont give a duck" 's and all..

SirPsycho said:

Yes, Religion fucked it all to hell. For the first time, Prince actually held back. I'm not talking about the whole duck thing, that can be a clever tongue in cheek. I'm talking about the whole approach to his body of work and this obsession that it was no longer good as it was, that it needed to be changed.

The whole idea of the O+> years was to create a new life/vision/career, outside Prince's. He was really doing something concrete then he started talking about re-recording the entire catalogue which at first sounded exicting but that included censorship. Prince bought into some guilt trip, that is clear. Someone at peace doesn't need to lie about the past. They face it, learn from it and move on from it.

I have to agree, as well!

'80's Prince was HOT! HOT, HOT, HOT!!!

'90's Prince was much COOLER and 2000's Prince is positively, absolutely, fucking FRIGID!!!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

well said. i dunno..i just get the feeling religious affiliation or not. all of that was inevitable with P. look at how he did the black album.

and even now, he isnt as "pure" as he'd like to let on. (i thought his penmanship for bria said alot)

he did kinda turn his back on the "new birth" of and all, but to be honest- even as cool as i think the music was, the bios make it seem like he was in a reaaaally bad place


i mean i see what you're saying in the end, i just think his desire for control overall got in the way of his creativity, religious fervor is only one example of it.

before i even read the comments to this thread, i'm gonna say it:

I FREAKIN LOOOOVE 90'S ERA PRINCE!!!

he was pissed off, he was out of his damn mind, he was cranking out so many projects he didn't even know what to do with them all, he had hair and makeup that even on a bad day made rupaul jealous, he had some seriously insane outfits and OH MY GOD, the music he made in the 90s was so challenging that TO THIS DAY people haven't caught up to it.

i'm NOT saying he wasn't guilty of a fair amount of crappy songs in the 90s, but when he was on fire, he was still able to burn down the block.

the man let his freak flag fly high in the 90s and i appreciate the hell out of it.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Anxiety said:

yessir.

Anxiety said:

Prince was totally underground as the psychic vampire. It was so thrilling that he kept appearing with his magic even though Warner Brothers was trying to baptize his ass in garlic juice.

Rock on with ya bad selves, Supa and Anx!!!

How God in a man's life could be anything but wonderful, I don't why people say those things.

Even though, "Emancipation," is later on, there is so much spiritual strength being given to us.

Although I agree with some of the lyrics from "Elixer," being indescreet, it doesn't change that GOD has been Prince's partner in his career. You also have to remember that when I say some things, they are biased as a jealous female would be loving Prince as a man. I'm woman enough to admit that first of all and secondly, Prince is having a mid-life crisis.

I'd have to agree with you.

At times in the 80's it seemed like he was trying to be an "act" using his mysterious nature (and sexuality) to his advantage--which I loved, don't get me wrong--but it did seem a little forced, or scripted at times.

In the 90's Prince--and --went haywire, in a good way. I felt his "emancipation" and he seemed more REAL and inventive--and strange(!). It was a good time. *sighs*

*the only exception would be his corny hip-hop attempts

etifaim said:

honestly? i've come to appreciate those as well over the years..and i'm a hip hop enthusiast (and was at one point a traditionalist)

his strong and weak point (as far as hip hop was concerned) was that he was TOO prince for his own good

i love it tho

Tame said:

I bet Anything you don't consider Allah, Shivah, Mary Mother of God, or any number of venerated beings as wonderful. don't. lie.

awww...shit...

SirPsycho said:

this is supposed to be an honest thread!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SirPsycho said:

I did specify which ones I was talking about -- the corny ones.

Strollin' and Live for Love-- not corny.

Hell even Mad Sex gets kudos from me.

I was specifying the corny ones

Oh, and I'm a hip-hop enthusiast too...when it's done right.

etifaim said:

Can we establish that Big Fun is a straight CALL OUT to anyone, including Shit Hoppers that Prince could burry their ass face down when he wants to?

PS - When I say Shit Hoppers, I'm referring to the jackass rappers and not the fans Well at least not you guys

etifaim said:

fair enough

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

:disbeleif:

a piece of me dies everytime one you guys say that

SirPsycho said:

Blame Andrea!

but let's face it, Hip Hop is a blight on the black community. I know people like you, and I do too actually, have respect for hip hop as it was when it was born. Creative, constructive messages (although extremely blunt) and was a voice for the disaffected. I'm sure there are still some really great acts out there now but overall it's just been glorified in such horrifying and degrading ways teaching men to embrace the most debased parts of themselves.



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if we're going to call all of hip-hop "shit-hop" because of a few bad apples, then because of the sterling artistry of pioneering geniuses such as britney spears, lindsay lohan and brooke hogan, i feel strongly that we should refer to all pop music as "slop music".

Anxiety said:

fine with me mr central

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

80's prince and 90s prince... same guy, different animal.
not to mention, 2000s prince!
always evolving, never, ever boring.
but i don't think i can say i prefer one over another. he gets both softer and sharper as the years progress

Anxiety said:

Before I lurk on, I have to say two words:


FUCK YEAH!!!




This post is holy