If we were honest with ourselves Prince is probably already a false icon to most of us. I am not overtly religious any more but when I was a teenager in the 1980's I was quite conscious that if I had to make a choice Jesus would probably lose out to Prince. Thank God I grew up. Just think-the Bible has caused nearly 2000 years of debate and interpretation.Imagine if Prince was a faith system-there would be about a 1000 subsets of the faith ha ha!

..as S-O-O-N as u apply urself 2 prayer..u will F-E-E-L ur senses gather themselves 2gether..
...they seem like bees which return 2 the hive and there shut themselves up 2 work at the making of honey..
..and this will take place w/o effort or care on ur part...
...God thus rewards the violence which ur S-O-U-L has been doing 2 itself..and G-I-V-Es 2 it such a domination over senses that when it desires 2 recollect itself...a sign is enough 4 them 2 obey and so gather themselves 2gether...
..at the 1st call of the will...they come back more and more quickly...
....at last..after countless exercises of this kind...God disposes them 2 a state of UTTER REST and of perfect contmplation...
..mzsexybaby
[Edited 9/2/09 14:16pm]

...Jesus G-I-V-Es his disciples instructions on how 2 pray....not in public 4 everyone 2 see:...
.."but thou..when thou prayest...enter in2 thy closet...and when thou hast shut thy door....PRAY 2 THY FATHER which is in secret...and thy Father who seeth in secret shall REWARD THEE OPENLY"...
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..by "in the closet"...i think Jesus was trying 2 suggest that R-E-A-L prayer takes place in the heart
...outward prayer alone is not enuff....God pays attention 2 THE MIND...
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...when u turn 2 God...God is turning 2 u...
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...u N-E-E-D not S-E-E-K Him here...He is no futher off than the door of ur heart
..there He stands lingering.....awaiting whoever is ready 2 open and let Him in...
...u N-E-E-D not call 2 Him afar....He waits much MORE impatiently than u 4 u 2 open 2 Him...He L-O-N-Gs 4 u a thousandfold more URGENTLY than u 4 Him....
..one point....THE OPENING AND ENTERING...
...mzsexybaby

I've loved Prince, disliked him, felt sorry for him, found him utterly charismatic and having a wonderful aura, been bored by him and have regretted wasting money on him. With that said, he'd make a perfect preacher.

DesireeNevermind said:

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....MATURE FAITH..that's what i would call it...
..FAITH in the possibility of S-E-L-F-MASTERY and new integration...
...FAITH in one's ability 2 L-O-V-E in accordance w/reality principles rather than with pleasure principles...
..FAITH in the WORTHWHILENESS of fellow human beings and the possibility of relatedness 2 them...
..mzsexybaby'PROPHETIC RELIGION STRESSES THE IMPORTANCE OF FAITH IN THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF HAPPINESS AND INNER PEACE'

mzkqueen03 said:

See...I am constantly tested as I have a hard time having faith in the worthwhileness of fellow human beings since so many of them eat their own/attack from within like a cancer.

Boy if Pastor Prince could delve deeper into this subject. Alas he probably would sermon us that this is merely a sign of the times. God shed his grace on thee. Keep the children free.

DesireeNevermind said:

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..A CITY...
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..as awesome a place as it is....
...is also earth..
..earth recycled by humans who themselves are earth standing on 2 legs w/movable thumbs and immense imaginations....
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...CREATION spirituality is as much a city experience as a rural one provided we are willing 2 look 4 the source of things and the relationships among them....
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..TELEPATHY IS A LIVING THING...
...a thing of beauty and a joy 4ever...wit the MAGIC of silent converse and silent accord....it is strange indeed...
..mzsexyaby'CECY EST UN LIVRE DE BOM FOY'

...it is not a manipulation 4 control's sake as it is OFTEN judge...
..it is a way of BEING..
...a way of constantly STRIRRING-THINGS-UP...a conduit 2 achieve CREATIVE exhustion..
..so that u just DO whatever it is U DO....F-R-E-E of the limits of how u THINK u should DO IT..
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..u r simply FORCED 2 TRUST URSELF amd 2 TRUST HIM....AND IN THE END IT IS A GIFT...1 THAT U HAVE WORKED VERY HARD 4 AND THERE IS GREAT SATISFACTION IN THAT....
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..now that u know this u will C him as i have seen him ova these few weeks during the summer of 2007 in a city we HOLD SYNONYMOUS WIT ROYALTY...fitting 4 a Prince...A Man...A Musician...A Artist...WHO IS TRULY LIKE NO OTHER...
....21 Nights Randee ST. Nicholas...
..mzsexybaby'C..O..O..L'

If your mind is a go-go
Religion is a no-no
Just so I told u so-so
I'd say.....HELL no
KNOW.

..sadism certainly does not tell the whole story about man..
...it merely indicates that men and women destroy and hate out of a F-E-E-Ling of their own hopelessness and frustration..out of A desire 2 take vengeance upon the world 4 their own inner distortions and emotional conflicts..
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..there is..of course..a difference between desirable and undesirable fear..
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..desirable fear is the emotion we experience in the presence of real danger..physical or social...that very emotion intensified the flow of adrenalin..mobilized their physical and mental energy..and enabled them 2 meet the objective menace w/skill and success..it is 1 more evidence of man's capacity 2 use his human endowment 4 courages ends...
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...inner depression is the dark night of the S-O-U-L..
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..mondern-man enters in2 the very complicated conspiracy of fear in order 2 prevent his successful emergence in2 maturity and achievement...
...mzsexybaby

jcurley said:

another honest answer. I like that. As for me.... the question was posed to me spiritually
from the very first time I ever saw Prince.

while I find his allure ...undeniable and unforgettable... I must to choose God over man. always. Even when it comes to believing everything that a man (any man) behind the pulpit says... well that gets complicated but .... none the less...

for me, God must come first. Besides ... for me... my mate/husband to be /lover to be... etc... has been chosen for me...by the Living God Himself many moons ago. And there's a reason...which I won't go into here in public, except to say that I have received about 3 prophicies over my adult life ..about it. So I guess I'm very fortunate in a certain since....even though I don't know who that certain chosen one is yet. It may sound strange to some...but who better to choose love than Love personified? That's my take on it.

I'm not that religious .... though I probably should attend church again... however, I am very spiritual and I am quite sincere in my belief in the Living God.
[Edited 9/4/09 20:02pm]

jcurley said:

I probably could have written my previous post more better. but what the heck... I"m sure I didn't tie in my points as effectively as I should have...

however, regarding your comment on Prince is probably already a false icon to most of us.... well that's a good point. Desiree's thread topic does ask us to consider that aspect. I admit I didn't like the question at first ... but it's a valid question to ask ... for folks to consider. So in that regard ...props to Desiree

I think Prince is as cute as he can be. I don't have any posters on the walls ... or that sort of thing....but I love his music and I think Prince's fan base are very interesting overall.... creative and inspiring all their/your own rights ....probably more than any other artist.


I do enjoy listening to many other artists of different genre's.... but I do tend to favor Prince's music over the other artists. I love his vocals ...I love the music...

what do you think a false icon or idol would be? where does one draw the line
generally speaking ...

thats something to think about.

...a quicken'in pulse...an open dorr..a mystery now beckons us...it whispers...FLY 4th F-R-E-E...recast ur shame and now B proud...WHO..we wonder..whispers thus???...WHO..indeed..is there..and knows me well...BEHIND THAT DOOR???..
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..it matters and it doesn't...who it is..it is living..soft..Fierce..it awaits us..the appointed time...10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3...He comes now...softly,gently,like a L-O-V-Er...whis he is...He knows each hair and secret...every BUTTERFLY and tormented cry...quantum physics is child's play 2 him...ur slightest pain is MORE IMPORTANT..
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...He isn't who u thought he was...he isn't a was...he is an IS..he isn't bound by stupid projections...he's at least as smart as u R..
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..God sent me...God sent me..hate the guy..hate the guy..what an amazing drama that..2 blast away the one who knows..the ones who cares..the one who L-O-V-Es...and yet we do..we have NOT stopped..he can't come back..although he's here..we blew it then...we'd blow it now..in fact...WE BLOW IT CONSTANTLY...
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...OVER AND OVER..we lie,we steal,we hurt,we kill and yet there R those gentle winds...they form a wave of L-O-V-E's resistance..the invitation 2 B reborn...2 F-I-N-D that man behind the door...2 F-I-N-D his arms..2 C his he doesn't look like any1..he doesn't look like us...
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..and yet he is...he IS US...the whole thing..the big picture..the new,the old...the answer...the H-O-P-E..and U don't have 2 join a religion...u don't have 2 believe in him...u don't have 2 believe what i say...u can do whatever u want...BUT HE IS HERE...AND HE HAS POWER..and he has desire....2 SET U F-R-E-E...
...mzsexybaby

....he's going 2..it's happen'in..ur skin is changing...ur head is dancing,ur eyes R seeing what they didn't C...admit it..darling...ur mind is blown..he blew sum bubbles in2 ur brain..HE DID ..he did..i saw he DID...
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..i saw him 1st when i couldn't stand it...couldn't stand the sleepless nites..and he just SAT there..on the end of my bed...and he looked at me..and i knew it was him..and i C him EVERYWHERE...
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...and so do u..he's picking up speed..he's bursting 4th..and so R u..AND SO R WE..the race is on...
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..the old boy has a bicycle..we're on the back..he's headed out...out of all this stuff we made,dissappointing misdirected...we call it L-I-F-E but it isn't L-I-F-E..it's a MOCKERY..IT'S BLASPHEMY..u know this..i know this...one BOLD gesture and we're outta here..
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...he has a mother..u knew that..she's beautiful in ways so sweet..she's not the kind we often C..she's not the knid we C at all...she fusses and fixes us..u thought mayb that we don't N-E-E-D fixing??...oh..please...WIT THAT...WE'RE A TOTAL TEARDOWN..
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..and that's the beauty of the current day..they're going 2 remodel us..they told me so..they told a trillion others 2...in case u think i think my ears R special..i know they're not..but they R UNPLUGGED..at least compared 2 how they USED 2 B...and I HEAR MUSIC..urs and mine...
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...he climbs a staircase...at the top of the stairs is a small,sparse room....he opens the door and says 2 us...STAY HERE...I WILL B BACK..I WILL BRING U GIFTS..TRY THEM OUT HERE..and when u leave...u will head back down...wear ur new clothes..take ur gifts..they'll never know we had such fun..until they do..and then we'll all have fun 2GETHER..this isn't bad..IT'S A TOTAL PARTY...
..mzsexybaby

...a total party...that's the universe..that's the joke...A TOTAL PARTY...a total joy...
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..praise the Lord..out reign is over..we did enough damage...OUTR PRINCE IS COME...
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..and now...about her...oh..u say...u mean the slut?..the slut..how dare u call her that?...he kissed her on the mouth...so there..u bastards..HE DID..he DID..he embraced her L-O-V-E..he embraces her still..her charms were good..their kisses sweet..u can't stand it..but u don't know..
...mzsexybaby

...she saw it all...she knew it all..oil oh his body..kisses on his hands..
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..darling come...HIDE NO MORE..run no more..seek no more...cry no more..hit no more..yearn no more..prove no more...destroy no more..defend no more..attack no more..RELAX..i'm here COME HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE...
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..he's in front of the door..he's behind the door..HE IS THE DOOR...
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...mzsexybaby'RAPTURE.....AMEN'
[Edited 9/5/09 13:07pm]

mzkqueen03 said:

I like that line .....that's an interesting statement.

.... ONE-L-O-V-E inside...
..DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER??..
...being up on the roof..
..sneaking in2 THAT PLACE..
...2 F-I-N-D out who he was...
..and WE SURVIVED....2GETHER...cuz his music HAS S-A-V-ED OUR L-I-F-E..
...changing 1,000's of people 2 such GROOVE,SOUND.....and the world around them...
...THANKX 4 D MUSIC.....THANX 4 TRUE-MESSAGE
..mzsexybaby

Narcissism is a debilitating personality disorder that should not be taken lightly LOL. Prince's relationships professional and otherwise have all been affected by it as well as the overall quality of his body of work and business dealings. I wouldnt be a critic, but i would offer him a or any one of his followers a hug.

Lotus2unfld said:

I think a false icon is where you would look to that before yourself or God, which I believe to be the same thing. Looking to something like Prince would be driven by aspiration or whatever, you would be denying the reality you are meant to have

The Freaks Come Out.

Surely it would sound better as 'Princeology'?

Well he wouldn't be the first wacko to start his own religion would he. All respect I had for him would go.

I could see mzkqueen carrying out murders and sacrifices on his behalf within the first week. No offence queeny

iloveannie said:

Ha ha. But seriously- I know most of us here are uncomfortably with the JW thing but when you look back Prince was always Messianic in his approach, songs such as Purple Rain, Lets Go Crazy, 1999 and crystal Ball reflect a very apocalyptic if not obsessive sense of ones place in (His) Theocratic order.If anything maybe we should be grateful (if not for him at least) that he has found a more structured outlet for these musings. Songs like Last December show a person that has concluded, rightly or wrongly. The way Prince was going with his Lust V Love, Or God V Self would either have driven him insane or lead to him starting his own faith. Maybe his conflicts (As most troubles do) resulted in music that we preferred but to be honest I wouldnt want Prince to inflict his thoughts on himself for the rest of his life, it would be too frustrating

Prince himself had a problem with the name 'fan', which he described as a shortened version of the word 'fanatic'. So he says 'fam', short for family. Sounds like that got lost on a few people here.

This outpouring of babble dressed up to sound like religious guidance is making me sick.

Prince isn't any more or less a human than any of us. He is talented, but he still goes to the toilet, just like me and you. To cap it off he lives a very opulent lifestyle - I don't think Jesus had a gold-plated pair of sandals.

I get the main point of the thread, but some of the condescending 'I get God, look at me' drivel on here is just so cringeworthy.
[Edited 9/8/09 8:30am]

...what would Jesus do??..
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.."2day slavation has come 2 this home..and this man is a son of Abraham as much as you...for the Son of man came 2 seek and 2 save what is lost"....
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.."the master wants them and will return them quickly"...
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..."behold ur king comes 2 u..humble and riding on an ass...on a colt he foal of an ass"...book of Zachariah..
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..psalms of Ascent..
...Hosanna..(God..save us)..Hosanna..blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord...
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.."blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord!..peace in heaven and glory in the highest"..
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.."I TELL U...if thses stay silent..the very stones WILL CRY OUT"...
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..the rock face...scattered with tombs and monuments..then the walls..then the bright stonework and marble of the Temple and the places..then the gold of pinnacles and towers glittering in the strong sunshine...a city of great magnificence and mighty fame throughout the world..
...mzsexybaby

...."oh..if u..even u had only known..this very day..what would bring u peace!..but it is HIDDEN from ur eyes"...
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..."they will not leave one stone upon another because u did not recognize the time when God came 2 S-A-V-E u!"..
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...HOSANNA...GOD S-A-V-E THE SON OF DAVID...
..mzsexybaby

iloveannie said:

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...y is it that i ALWAYS get the ENFORCER-job??...
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...if not..i'm geting the right-hand-man-job...
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...but enforcer is always my FAVORITE!!!...
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..."Jesus stood up..He faced in2 the wind..not even steadying Himself by holding a rope or timbar..in the tone of voice he had used 2 the demon in the synagogue..He spoke SHARPLY 2 the elements...'QUIET!'...He commanded the wind...'BE STILL!'..He ordered the waves"...
..mzsexybaby'NO ONE QUITE LIKE U'

..OR i could do the exorcisms....
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..."suddenly a great cry rang through the building..a man on 1 of the benches yelled in a high-pitched voice..throwing at Jesus the age-old phrase and taunt 2 an enemy...'WHAT HAVE WE 2 DO WIT U..JESUS OF NAZARETH?'...
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..the people were horrified..they recognized the man's voice and wondered how he had slipped in..4 by his staring eyes and strange ways they knew him 2 b in the grip of a demon..an unclean evil spirit...and should have been excluded from the congregation...he had defiled them by his presence and now was spoiling the sermon...
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...they tried 2 suppress him...this rabbi from Nazareth might attempt a lengthy exorcism later but not here in the synagogue..meanwhile the man must b silenced..
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...but he yelled the more..'JESUS OF NARARETH!..I KNOW WHO U R...THE HOLY ONE OF GOD'...now he had added blasphemy..the people believed..they hoped the preacher would ignore him...
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...Jesus stopped..He looked ithe man's direction and spoke in a stern,emphatic voice.."Be Quite!..and come out of him at once!"....
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..the man suddered violently...with a loud shriek..he fell 2 the floor...
...a few moments later the people could hardly believe their eyes...the man had picked himself up and now sat quietly with an intelligent look...which none had seen on his face 4 yrs...as Jesus resumed his sermon...the man listened..plainly unaware that he had made a noise..
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...when the sermon ended and the congregation spilled out....they could not contain their excitement..."it is something new..it is HIS AUTHORITY which is amazing..he taught us on his own authority and not like the scribes...DID U SEE HIS POWER OVER THAT DEMON?..he told it 2 go..AND IT OBEYED..THAT IS THE MOST AMAZING OF ALL"...
...mzsexybaby'ABBA..FATHER..U R ALWAYS WITH ME'

^ yes The Church of Princetology could do well with some skilled exorcists particularly to ward off those Madonna cone bra wearing demons.

Seriously though, his church would be a prime target for demons no?

DesireeNevermind said:

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...surely....but what thoses demons fail 2 realize is that I,personally will escort them out THE DOOR
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...the people living in darkness...have seen a GREAT-LIGHT..on those living in the shadow of death A LIGHT HAS DAWNED...
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...any1 who has ears...let them hear!..
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...whoever wants 2 S-A-V-E his L-I-F-E will lose it...
..whoever loses his L-I-F-E 4 me(JESUS) WILL F-I-N-D IT...
...it was no good if a man gained all that this world could offer...yet lost his own S-O-U-L..."if anyone is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation...the Son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels"....
..mzsexybaby

...BLESSED are the poor in spirit..4 theirs is the Kingdom of heaven...BLESSED are those who mourn..4 they will b comforted..BLESSED are the meek..4 they will inherit the earth...BLESSED are those who hungar and thrist 4 righteousness..4 they will be filled...BLESSED are the merciful..4 they will be shown mercy...BLESSED are the pure in heart..4 they will see God..BLESSED are the peacemakers..4 they will be called Sons of God..BLESSED are those who are persecuted because of righteousness..4 theirs is the Kingdom of heaven..BLESSED are u when men insult u..persecute u..and falsely say all kinds of evil things against u because of me(Jesus)...REJOICE and b GLAD..because great is ur reward in heaven..4 in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were b4 u...
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..mzsexybaby'I'M NOT GONNA LET THE "ELEVATOR"...BREAK ME DOWN'