sorry. didnt read this thread. Good luck trying to get royalties. I dont get charged by this kind of shit, honestly. And just so you know, this shit is virtual, make believe, U cant actually check someone or score cool points up here. Check my history, i'm sporadic at best, so what does that tell you?. You keep score, and you do get bent out of shape because i cant imagine asking a stranger what they'r smokin and some of the other crap i see up here. I swear on everything dear that if any of my post kinda matched yours it was merely by coincidence because i give this shit that little consideration. when i said truce i meant it, cus i dont keep up with this shit enough to battle the all mighty blackguitarguy serious LOL.Oh yeah, Rick asked for that asswhoopin Prince put on him, thats why it dont mean shit to him.

http://prince.org/msg/7/309788 the Fire It Up tour 1980

hey Dreamshaman, this is the thread bgz is talking about...You should read it, pretty good stuff.

May U Live 2 C the Dawn

Oh Dream, OF4S was kind enough to repost the thread that set u on your way to having a crossover hit with my song. You remember this thread right? ...Of course you do. This is what put in motion you deciding to cover my material in the first place. Hey brah, (whispers) I imagine that you're going to need a follow up single, so dig, I have more than enough material for you to cover and use on the same thread OF4S was so kind to bring back just FOR you.

I agree with vainandy..The "Parade" singles seemed to go over well on R&B radio back then. "Kiss" was a huge hit and "AnotherLover" started to get a lot of airplay too. Some of my friends thought it was a new Stevie Wonder jam. Oh yes and "Mountains" got a lot of play too.

But once "U.T.C.M" hit the theaters and got horrible reviews, it killed the "Parade" LP. I think by then Rick had "The Flag" LP (yawn). I don't even think there were any hits on that LP.

If he had released his "Alice In Ghettoland" or "Slice Of Life" flicks in late 85/early 86, he probably would have eclipsed "U.T.C.M". R&B and hip hop flicks were doing pretty well back then. Rick could have cashed in.

I think if Rick was able to had Alice In Ghettoland released when he had planned, (before PR) then that definately would have changed the impact that PR had. And that's IF Warners still would have wanted to back it seeing Rick's movie was out. P himself might not would have wanted to release PR if Alice In Ghettoland was out first. BUT Rick, for whatever reason, the film didn't get made or released, P's did and it blew the doors off.

Also too, because of the slight similar aspects to both Alice In Ghettoland and Purple Rain, if Rick's had beaten P to the punch, P might have been like "Fuck it. I'm going to have to adjust this." Rick had himself = Prince. The Stone City Band = The Time. Teena = Appolonia. No doubt it was different scenerios that all the bands existed and Rick probably didn't have the mother/father discord that P had in his story. One of the elements that I felt made P's film as good as it was. Knowing P though, I could see him still wanting it out exactly like he did. He may have wanted to go head up with Rick. It all would have depended on just how well Rick's "Alice" would have done in the box office as well. To me, it's interesting that Rick and P had a few parallels between them during a certain time period.
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Teena =Apollonia! Not even! It's time U bounce son!

Damn, it took ALL that time for u to come up with THAT comeback?! You have to be much quicker than that if you're going to try to fuck with me! Anyways, I wasn't comparing the great Teena to Apollonia. But u already KNEW that. I only listed them together because their both female. Just like I wasn't comparing The Stone City Band to The Time. But obviously their both bands and if Alice in Ghettoland had jumped off then there is the correlation.
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In 1980, Prince opened for James on the Fire It Up tour. James complained that Prince stole his stage moves and according to Marie, Rick paid Prince back by stealing his gear. “Back then people weren’t really programming their own synthesizers,” says Teena. “Prince - you know – he’s a genius... he was one of the only one’s who could really do that – probably him and Stevie [Wonder] were the only one’s really doing it…[Prince] was programming all his synthesizers and setting the presets with his own sound and …at the end of the tour [Rick] took [Prince’s] synthesizers.” Teena cannot help but chuckle as she recounts the story. “He took them to Sausalito and he actually used them on the Street Songs album and then he sent them back to [Prince] with a thank you card. He was a piece of work…and a brilliant genius, too!”

Teena later found herself wedged between the two future legends when she went on the road with Prince. “We were on the Dirty Mind tour together… [Prince and I] never had a problem. We would kick it…neither one of us drank so after the concerts we’d go and sit and have our little orange juice or whatever. He had a lot of respect for me. There were some nights that I would come on stage and I would kick his butt, you know, and [afterwards] he’d walk by me and go “Whew! I have to work hard tonight’ and there were some nights that he would come by and say ‘I whooped you! I whooped you tonight!’ so it was really awesome and he’s always been really wonderful to me.”

For James, however, it was a different story. “I don’t think Rick really liked the fact that [Prince and I] were friends but you know….The rivalry to me as I look back on it - it was really Rick. It wasn’t really Prince. It was more Rick than anything. I never really saw Prince feeding into it too much. It really actually saddened me because I think the two of them would have made some amazing music together. It would have been ridiculous…but you know…it was what it was…I’m not really sure why it started. Rick always said it was because Prince snubbed his mother.” Indeed, James claimed that Prince had insulted his mother at the 1982 American Music Awards by refusing to give her an autograph. The mood should have been celebratory - Teena was nominated for Favorite Soul R&B Female Artist and Rick won Best Soul/R&B Album for Street Songs - but Rick was having none of it. Backstage, Prince’s manager at the time (the late Steve Fargnoli) hastily arranged for Prince to apologize but James ignored him. Even today, Teena views the story skeptically. “I really find that hard to believe and if it did happen, I don’t think it was intentional because Prince just isn’t that kind of guy. So it could have just been unintentional where she was around and he didn’t see her, you know what I’m saying? And Rick really knew how to take stuff and run with it…but from everything that I know [Rick] really, really did like [Prince’s] music….” Laughing, Teena adds one more caveat: “Although he would never admit to it. He would never admit to that.”