dayum has this turned into a rick vs. prince thread?



I luv MZ Marie tho Her sultry voice and true to heart lyrics are always impressive. Pint sized talent. I wish Rick, Prince and Tina would have done a major collaboration. That would have been awesome.

blackguitaristz said:

sorry. didnt read this thread. Good luck trying to get royalties. I dont get charged by this kind of shit, honestly. And just so you know, this shit is virtual, make believe, U cant actually check someone or score cool points up here. Check my history, i'm sporadic at best, so what does that tell you?. You keep score, and you do get bent out of shape because i cant imagine asking a stranger what they'r smokin and some of the other crap i see up here. I swear on everything dear that if any of my post kinda matched yours it was merely by coincidence because i give this shit that little consideration. when i said truce i meant it, cus i dont keep up with this shit enough to battle the all mighty blackguitarguy serious LOL.Oh yeah, Rick asked for that asswhoopin Prince put on him, thats why it dont mean shit to him.

I wish I could find the very first thread I ever made on the org. It was over in the "Music: Non-Prince Section" and it was called "Prince vs. Rick James". In the thread, I started with 1978 and went up to around 1986 breaking it down album per album, year per year for each artist and comparing them against each other as far as their content, style, and success. It was probably the best thread I ever made.

Anyway, in that thread, when I made it up to 1982, I said that "Throwin' Down" and "1999" were about neck and neck until white people discovered "Little Red Corvette" and I also said that in 1984, when Prince released "Purple Rain", the album and the movie, the tables totally turned away from Rick then and it was like Prince buried him in a hole where he was rarely heard from again.

My favorite part of the thread though, was when I started talking about the very first time both artists started slipping. It was the exact same year, in 1985. Rick released his first bullshit album, "Glow", and Prince released his first bullshit album, "Around The World In A Day". When those fams from the Prince section got wind of that statement, they entered that thread like gangbusters.

I said in that thread, and I still believe it's true today, that if Rick really wanted to beat Prince's ass and kick him when he was down, he would have released a strong classic Rick James album with the Stone City Band sound in 1986 after "Glow" wasn't hitting on shit. Prince had already pissed people off with "Around The World In A Day" and then pissed them off even more with "Parade" in 1986. If Rick had not gotten so far out on drugs and had not let them get the best of him, he could have made a kickass album and absolutely ripped Prince to shreds that year. Prince may have been doing good over in Europe, but back here at home, and especially in the black clubs, people were saying Prince had totally lost it and were asking "Where the hell is Rick James, hell, fuck Prince".

so it would seem huh?

sorry. didnt read this thread. Good luck trying to get royalties. I dont get charged by this kind of shit, honestly. And just so you know, this shit is virtual, make believe, U cant actually check someone or score cool points up here. Check my history, i'm sporadic at best, so what does that tell you?. You keep score, and you do get bent out of shape because i cant imagine asking a stranger what they'r smokin and some of the other crap i see up here. I swear on everything dear that if any of my post kinda matched yours it was merely by coincidence because i give this shit that little consideration. when i said truce i meant it, cus i dont keep up with this shit enough to battle the all mighty blackguitarguy serious LOL.Oh yeah, Rick asked for that asswhoopin Prince put on him, thats why it dont mean shit to him.

dreamshaman32 said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/309788 the Fire It Up tour 1980

hey Dreamshaman, this is the thread bgz is talking about...You should read it, pretty good stuff.

May U Live 2 C the Dawn

Why does every Prince/Rick thread turn into a battle rally? Some wild posts. I see you BGZ!

Timmy84 said:

THAT'S exactly what I've BEEN saying and what I've ALWAYS posted...It shouldn't be a "battle" in the first place. And it certainly has never been one to me regarding Rick and P. I have always celebrated the truimphs of BOTH bruthas who accomplished a hell of a LOT! I have ALWAYS loved them both. I grew up on them, man. What it is Timmy? I see you saw what I was talking about. I'm going to clean up on my royalties on this thread alone!
[Edited 8/6/09 14:29pm]

desinord said:

Man,... you ain't hardly schooling anybody. Least of all me. I already stated long time ago on several other threads that P bit off of Rick. If you want to try to hang on to the ruffles, and what some band member in Rick's band wore, whatever. You can have that. Truth be told, BOTH Rick and P wouldn't have ever considered wearing ANYTHING with ruffles if it weren't for Hendrix so fuck all of the other shit. I NEVER stated that Rick or P owned the keys to wearing ruffles. Hell, when I was 15, as many on here know by now, I wore ruffles and a headband to the Purple Rain Premier in 84. In my mind, I was of course evoking Hendrix FIRST. BUT to everybody else who saw me there more than likely thought I was either copying Dez or Prince. But the credit for the flashy brutha in music all goes to Little Richard for without him, Jimi may not had felt as "free to wave his freak flag high" so to speak. And Jimi pretty much admitted to this as true. Richard himself stated that he "gave Jimi confidence and recompense of reward. My Lord."! Richard be rhyming his ass off. But as far as Rick's importance, THAT goes without saying. Rick was The Man in 81/82 and he did all of this WITHOUT racist ass MTV. Who initially was NOT going to even play Michael Jackson. So yeah man, many on here KNOW the history. BUT Rick DID bite off of P's look and vibe on the Wonderful album cover. But don't trip...Rick had no shame in his game. He certainly KNEW what the fuck he was doing. No one put a pistol up side Rick's skull making him do that shit. He WANTED to do it. He probably felt justified in that shit being that P had bit from him in 80-83.
As a kid, the first time I noticed P was "borrowing" from Rick was from Rick's album "Bustin' Out of L7" with the spray painted writting on the walls that P ended up using on Dirty Mind. Now P could have also taken that from the film The Warriors, which he also borrowed from in a few scenes for the film Purple Rain. Hell, Rick even could have gotten that from The Warriors. Like he got the animated artwork vibe for his Bustin Out of L7 album cover from KISS and the album "Destroyer". Even Rick's pose is identical to Gene Simmons pose on "Destroyer". When all of ya'll are bored, go get both albums and put them side to side and tell 'em that your boy bgz told ya so. Also with the two girls on each side of Rick on that album, that also echoes KISS's Love Gun album with the women at their feet. Ya'll know that Rick also had a song also titled "Love Gun". This wouldn't be the last time Rick paid homage to Gene and KISS. On Rick's "Throwin Down" album, he has Gene's bass guitar up there with him on the stairs. Just a little side info....It was no secret that Rick LOVED KISS for he has said in different interviews that he wanted his live shows with the fireworks and the smoke to look like a KISS concert. He said he wanted to bring that to the black kids and make it like the 4th of July.
[Edited 8/4/09 12:53pm]

desinord said:

Man,... you ain't hardly schooling anybody. Least of all me. I already stated long time ago on several other threads that P bit off of Rick. If you want to try to hang on to the ruffles, and what some band member in Rick's band wore, whatever. You can have that. Truth be told, BOTH Rick and P wouldn't have ever considered wearing ANYTHING with ruffles if it weren't for Hendrix so fuck all of the other shit. I NEVER stated that Rick or P owned the keys to wearing ruffles. Hell, when I was 15, as many on here know by now, I wore ruffles and a headband to the Purple Rain Premier in 84. In my mind, I was of course evoking Hendrix FIRST. BUT to everybody else who saw me there more than likely thought I was either copying Dez or Prince. But the credit for the flashy brutha in music all goes to Little Richard for without him, Jimi may not had felt as "free to wave his freak flag high" so to speak. And Jimi pretty much admitted to this as true. Richard himself stated that he "gave Jimi confidence and recompense of reward. My Lord."! Richard be rhyming his ass off. But as far as Rick's importance, THAT goes without saying. Rick was The Man in 81/82 and he did all of this WITHOUT racist ass MTV. Who initially was NOT going to even play Michael Jackson. So yeah man, many on here KNOW the history. BUT Rick DID bite off of P's look and vibe on the Wonderful album cover. But don't trip...Rick had no shame in his game. He certainly KNEW what the fuck he was doing. No one put a pistol up side Rick's skull making him do that shit. He WANTED to do it. He probably felt justified in that shit being that P had bit from him in 80-83.
As a kid, the first time I noticed P was "borrowing" from Rick was from Rick's album "Bustin' Out of L7" with the spray painted writting on the walls that P ended up using on Dirty Mind. Now P could have also taken that from the film The Warriors, which he also borrowed from in a few scenes for the film Purple Rain. Hell, Rick even could have gotten that from The Warriors. Like he got the animated artwork vibe for his Bustin Out of L7 album cover from KISS and the album "Destroyer". Even Rick's pose is identical to Gene Simmons pose on "Destroyer". When all of ya'll are bored, go get both albums and put them side to side and tell 'em that your boy bgz told ya so. Also with the two girls on each side of Rick on that album, that also echoes KISS's Love Gun album with the women at their feet. Ya'll know that Rick also had a song also titled "Love Gun". This wouldn't be the last time Rick paid homage to Gene and KISS. On Rick's "Throwin Down" album, he has Gene's bass guitar up there with him on the stairs. Just a little side info....It was no secret that Rick LOVED KISS for he has said in different interviews that he wanted his live shows with the fireworks and the smoke to look like a KISS concert. He said he wanted to bring that to the black kids and make it like the 4th of July.
[Edited 8/4/09 12:53pm]

blackguitaristz said:

And I thought I was the only one to notice the similarities between Rick and Kiss!Prince was also influenced by Kiss live shows as evident in Prince's live concerts.Besides on the song(The Walk)Detroit is called Rock City ala Kiss's Detroit Rock City!

Dang, P sure knows how to get in that head, huh? LMAO!!

blackguitaristz said:

I don't expect too may people on here to be hip to this but I always saw that P AND Rick both were biting a lil' from Leif Garret! He was a popular teen idol from the mid to late 70's and the way Leif used to act on stage, his mannerisms, I saw in both Rick and Prince. I remember when Rick was on SNL performing Super Freak, Rick had that Leif Garret shit down! I remember when I was a kid, I was like "Damn, Rick reminds me of Leif Garret!" I thought that was so cool that Rick was that free to draw from that. Anybody remember the show CHIPS when Leif was a guest star on there? Man, P used all of that shit in Purple Rain. The Kid's character was a combination of Leif from Chips, Rembrandt from The Warriors, and Ron O'Neil as Priest from SuperFly. The inner sleeve picture of P from his second album, with the leather jacket, is dead on Leif. The same hair, everything. I still have all of this shit on videotape.

I never saw Leif Garret in Rick but I definately saw him in Prince back in 1979. I never saw Leif on "CHIPs" but I did see him on "Wonder Woman" and he performed "I Was Made For Dancing". He had on those skin tight black satin spandex pants that women used to wear during the disco era. The first time I ever saw Prince on "American Bandstand" later that year, I immediately thought of Leif Garret. Prince had the hair and he was slinging it like Leif. Prince also had the satin spandex pants and was prancing like Leif too. The only other male I ever remember seeing wearing those pants was Rod Stewart in the "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" video. In that video, Rod pranced also.

blackguitaristz said:

blackguitaristz said:

My favorite was when he was on "Radioscope" and he was pissed about Prince putting Vanity 6 before he put out The Mary Jane Girls. Rick was mad as hell and they were beeping out the cuss words left and right....

"That little sneak! He was on tour with me once and I've been talking about putting out a girls group for years! Of course, he's sneaky and overheard shit and always stealing my ideas. But I can tell you one damn thing, my bitches can sing! That damn Vanity ain't shit! She gives him pussy and he gives her a record deal!"

Rick was pissed! All I could hear was a "beep" here and a "beep beep" there and even more "beep beep beeps".

blackguitaristz said:

There ain't nothing like actually living through an era. We can tell people shit that today's magazines don't even know.
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blackguitaristz said:

I remember reading somewhere (I think it was the Rick James site when I used to post over there) that when that incident happened, Rick said over the microphone...."Y'all pay no attention to Princess. He just came to see how it's supposed to be done".

blackguitaristz said:

That's not the only time he's referred to Prince in the female tense. I remember seeing a show on VH1 back in the late 1990s called "The List". On the show, they would have four celebrities nominate their choice of musical artists for whatever topic they were discussing and then they would vote and eliminate them down to a top 3.

On the episode that Rick was on, the topic was "Top 3 Artists of the 1980s". When it came around to one of Rick's turns to nominate someone, he nominated himself. Someone else nominated Madonna, and as the turns kept rolling around, one lady eventually nominated Prince. I was glued to my TV because I was waiting to see Rick's reaction. He said very calmly...."Good choice. That's a very good choice. She's beautiful, she's talented, and she knows how to rock those heels".

Anyway, the results of the show was.....

1. Michael Jackson
2. Madonna
3. Rick James

Now you know good and damn well that they voted for him over Prince because he was one of the guests on the show.