wishuhvn said:

I guess with so many songs to choose from and in the case of the 21 nights - almost arbitrarily, even the best of us are gonna need a hand. Can U safely say you remember several hundreds of songs verbatim?

'dre

Vendetta1 said:

I guess talking about the Revolution is more interesting than say...the music for Crossing Jordan. I found it disappointing in their video interview how focused they were on $. Please Prince, No Reunion!

jdcxc said:

And Prince NEVER, EVER focuses on money.

DreZone said:

well i would dare to say that i know every single prince song, yes. i can
write down, recite the lyrics of anything you'd throw at me.

but i also understand that i may have listened to a certain song 300 times
whilst prince just recorded it in 1985, put it on an album, performed it
live a couple of times and pretty much moved on with his life and music.

so that makes it totally understandable how someone with so many songs is
gonna need a bit of help sometimes. and as long as the performance is cool,
he could sit at his piano and read the lyrics all night long, lol.

I really like this (apart from only gettin on the Montreaux website)

I have never heard the "original" but now I want to more than ever.

But I'm very happy to have heard this - would LOVE to be going to Montreaux

L4OATheOriginal said:

no, I got the point. your point was just some further W&L-fan bashing. i was trying to take the pointlessness of your point and do something with it.

MrMul said:

ahh...good point. I had never heard old friends for sale untill the release of the vault. I love the vault version. I later heard the original and loved it just as much but lots of folx do not like the vault version because they are attached to the first one they heard (500 times)
Lots of people have probably never heard this song. We really shouldn't put the blame on Prince, we've listened to him sooooo much that we are biased about EVERYTHING. It's ok that we are biased...just sayin' We are the ones who love his music and listen to it to death, let's not hold that against him. (general statement, not aimed at you MrMul)

jdcxc said:

ok

Cause I'm just as big a fan of the 1976-1979 music demos 4 U Prince as I am of Purple Rain music
Around the World in a Day is my favorite:Condition of the Heart my fav on that 1
Old Friends 4 Sale(jazz fusion) is my favorite since I heard it on the radio back in 85/86 as a promo for the movie

I noticed Prince lost his sound more and more after the Batman album, his voice changed some and had a rappish tone to it, and you hear that on the In A Large Room(remix)

connorhawke said:

I think that along the lines of what you said, rap had an adverse affect, not just in the post 1988years for Prince but music in general. I remember back then just about every RnB singer had a rapper on their song/album, every release/single had a rapper, and a lot of rap was remixes of classic songs(they were trying to get a hold of Prince music since 86. So a lot of originality is missing in the music, there are/were some good original groups, most came out of the mid80's - eeeeaaarly 90's most East coast too, but there was still a lot of remixing and borrowing going on.

LondonStyle said:

That's rumors, no one knows who the letter is from or why

Since Lisa is a partial composer of the songs, maybe if it is from Prince, it's about that, again, it's all speculation. We don't know that it's from Prince

Maybe it's from the guy who is the biological sperm donor

Yes

Eric did bring a sound to Purple Music that just helped turn it up
Which is why I so digging the Family 2.0 stuff, there is a clip on their site
where Eric is recording his sax part and I just kept playing it over and over

Eddie M(Sheila E sax player)also had a sound that just sounded like it was made for Purple Music:the Ladder & Temptation,

Eric & Eddie had a style that just didn't sound like regular sax play

machinegun said:

DreZone said:

great point jabroni one has 2 think of how many songs he has composed in his career and it's a credit that the notes he still remembers how 2 play so a little mess up on the lyrics isn't that bad. hell sometimes i can't remember the lyrics of his songs sometimes

errant said:

how can i bash 2 people that r overated and in a 30 year career of another, they only lasted 3 years? what about the other 27 years? oh now that's pointless

OldFriends4Sale said:

lost his sound?

well i guess that if he were 2 continue using the same sound that he was using over and over and over and over (not growing musically) his fans would b satisfied until they start saying "damn when will he change his sound?"

damned if he does, damned if he don't

L4OATheOriginal said:

prince didn't lose his sound but he did lose the combined sound that made
the revolution so special. he said it himself in "in this bed i scream":

"how did we ever lose each other's sound?"

anyway, i'm not pining for a revolution reunion or anything. that was then
and this is now. lol.

the lotusflower album (the single disc retail version) is brilliant imo so
i could do without wendy and lisa, whom were on planet earth and look how
that album turned out. not sure what songs they are on but i don't really
like anything on that one as much as the stuff on the lotusflower disc.

my initial complaint about this particular song was just that he shouldn't
remake those cuts but just master the 'original' versions and release them
as they are.

but it's his call at the end of the day. and after the initial shock wore
off i'm digging this version a whole lot.

IstenSzek said:

that's xactly how i feel as well

L4OATheOriginal said:

When I say, lost his sound, I don't mean staying the same(same as what? since his sound was as diverse as 4U - Lovesexy Batman even as well as Madhouse, the Family:Screams of Passion, YES Nothing Compares, Sheila E:Dear Michaelangelo Love on a Blue Train, Shortberry Strawcake, the Time:I Don't Want 2 Leave U, Ice Cream Castles)

Prince had/has a definate sound, and your hear it in a diverse groups of songs just like those I listed above. A lot his music was timeless in my opinion, vvery different and distinct. I'm not saying that none of his music after Batman or Diamonds & Pearls did not have it, I just hear less of it, there are a lot of Prince songs that sound like regular rnb or pop or rock. Space Tangerine (the Rainbow Children album) have that sound. I know a lot of u may like it, but Love Sign sounds like a regular rnb song, then there are a lot of songs from Rave that, I would not be able to point out as Prince, there are also the James Brownish songs that don't have the Purple touch like:Irrisistable Bitch, Love or Money, Housequake had (those are songs that have a James Brownish inspiration but is definately Prince music.

IstenSzek said:

I like Lotusflow3r because it sound like Prince too me, I like Rainbow Children because it sounds like Prince, there are songs here and there that 'sound' like Prince post Diamonds & Pearls, I should have add lost his sound or lost his vision or something.

And I didn't bring up W&L, I think when we talk about Prince's music, we just to quickly to bring them up like someone is comparing what he is doing to what he did when they were in the band,(Lisa probably had a longer effect with collaboration in Prince's music than Wendy anyway)

because when I'm talking about Prince music I'm talking about Leaving 4 NY(promo) Tick Tick Bang Head Soft n Wet, Dirty Mind, Sexuality, Do Me Baby Private Joy, the Walk, Nasty GIrls, All the Critics, Let's Work, Computer Blue, God, Girl Olivers House, Screams of Passion, Hon E Man,Mia Bocca etc etc

dunno if it's been said already (not reading thru 10 pages of to 'n' fro!)...

Could his return to Minneapolis be associated with a rummage thru the vault to re-record some of the long unreleased tracks? Maybe there'll be another Crystal Ball like affair, but with new versions etc...

errant said:

Yeah, I don't understand why people do that, it wasn't just about Wendy or Lisa(:the co-creator of that songs) but also Sheila E and Eric Leeds Atlanta Bliss

A lot of us are fans of these people sound and collaborations too

L4OATheOriginal said:

lol that's crazy to sum it up to 3 years. W&L while working with Prince was not an individual team, I don't get why people do this??

Like Lisa did nothing with Prince prior to Wendy joining the band?

Lisa immediately was pulled into working night and day with Prince on music from 1979/80 released Prince albums, unreleased music and protege music

and even then we don't know what behind the scenes collaboration Wendy included since she was in Minneapolis right after Lisa joined the band during the Dirty Mind era

not to miss that a lot of music Prince put out after they were gone was still music he created with them and/or various Revolution members

Power Fantastic
Crystal Ball
In A Large Room with No Lights
most of the music from SOTT was from the Dream Factory, even some music from Lovesexy:Eye No/Ball, Graffiti Bridge and onward
not only that but in the last 5 or so years since they have been talking on a regular basis, Prince has sent music to them to add a piece to(we don't have record of those songs, most likely they help out 4 free)

OldFriends4Sale said:

here is the point ..all hypothetical tho, if any of his songs had a different combination of players on them that recorded the song, then years later he took another set of players 2 play the same song, would the response b as adverse as it has been in this thread?

xample ...if the whole parade album was originally done by the new power generation then years later prince did it with the revolution, would u feel differently about it?

cause this is what's been done live by the way but the constant thing is prince ..

OldFriends4Sale said:

doesn't matter how many songs were created in that time frame, bottom line is wendy started poking her head around 1983 and even if songs were used after 1986, the bulk of her playing with prince is only 3 years.

and she's a rhythym guitarist only ..not a lead guitarist like dez or even mico ..how many guitar solo spots did prince give wendy? or hell how many keyboard solo spots did he give lisa? fink runs circles around her and renato does as well.

hence both of them r good at what they do, but he has had better musicians them both of them period.

It NEVER ends.....

L4OATheOriginal said:

Well Said...

i can't warm to this version!

L4OATheOriginal said:

Your going a bit to deep lol
Fink Lisa & Renato are 3 different styles
Why are you comparing them?
I take nothing from Dr Fink

And where is all the music he created with Renato? that people are booting about?
And again, I don't know why U(people) continue to lump Lisa & Wendy together(the haters & lovers)

Lisa came to the table on her own, and I again say she had a profound affect on what became Prince music + proteges

I'm not looking at Wendy & Lisa a duo prior to 1986/87

since u want to throw in others, I'll throw in Susannah too, because her insiration went even further than just music and songwriting, shit some of the best Prince songs she's the muse

L4OATheOriginal said:

I don't think you would have the same history if they were different people

When I understand how indivual and unique each human is, I have to say yes I probably would have a different thought.
It was the right people: Dez, Matt, Bobby, Cat, Susan Rogers, the guy who directed Purple Rain, Susannah, Sheila

Only Morris could have been the lead for the Time, anyone else it would have been a different dynamic, Alexander O'Neal wouldn't have had what it took to do the Time

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