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PrintableDesireeNevermind said: Paris9748430 said: EXACTLY!!! It's like if someone passed around flyers saying they were giving stolen T.V.'s other electronics. Then they get mad when the cops raid their house!!! It's like the movie American Gangster. Frank Lucas would've gotten away with it if he didn't wear gigantic a fur coat to an Ali fight. Which announced to the world that he was a big time criminal!!! 
And in the end he was a SNITCH!!! Yeah, but he snitched on himself by being so brazen long before he snitched on anyone else. Just like what's happening here. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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3232 said: Can someone enlighten the rest of us?
In what way does a baby dancing to the song "lets go crazy' being played in his mammas kitchen, affect prince's image/royalties/ music/ pocket/ ego, or whatever the fuck it is he his trying to protect? The next person who interviews him should throw that question at him...I would be glued to the t.v for his brilliant answer to that one. It doesn't affect his royalties, image, or anything else, but there are copyright laws in this country. There are vloggers on Youtube who onced used licensed music on their videos, but now they're not because of copywrite issues. I've seen plenty of videos on youtube that had muted music because of copywrite issues long before Prince got involved with this. You can't put songs in movies or T.V. shows without permission because of copywrite laws. What makes the internet any different? JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: 3232 said: Can someone enlighten the rest of us?
In what way does a baby dancing to the song "lets go crazy' being played in his mammas kitchen, affect prince's image/royalties/ music/ pocket/ ego, or whatever the fuck it is he his trying to protect? The next person who interviews him should throw that question at him...I would be glued to the t.v for his brilliant answer to that one. It doesn't affect his royalties, image, or anything else, but there are copyright laws in this country. There are vloggers on Youtube who onced used licensed music on their videos, but now they're not because of copywrite issues. I've seen plenty of videos on youtube that had muted music because of copywrite issues long before Prince got involved with this. You can't put songs in movies or T.V. shows without permission because of copywrite laws. What makes the internet any different? You make a good point but Prince isn't giving permission because HE THINKS his image, royalties, mujsic, pocket and ego are being unduly impacted. | |
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Paris9748430 said: 3232 said: Can someone enlighten the rest of us?
In what way does a baby dancing to the song "lets go crazy' being played in his mammas kitchen, affect prince's image/royalties/ music/ pocket/ ego, or whatever the fuck it is he his trying to protect? The next person who interviews him should throw that question at him...I would be glued to the t.v for his brilliant answer to that one. It doesn't affect his royalties, image, or anything else, but there are copyright laws in this country. There are vloggers on Youtube who onced used licensed music on their videos, but now they're not because of copywrite issues. I've seen plenty of videos on youtube that had muted music because of copywrite issues long before Prince got involved with this. You can't put songs in movies or T.V. shows without permission because of copywrite laws. What makes the internet any different? so on my wedding day, walking my bride down the isle while "adore' is being played faintly in the background of my wedding video, if i post it on a site, the Purple one will be affected negatively by this? I am cracking up...is this for real? WTF? PRINCE=GOD [Edited 7/5/09 0:29am] [Edited 7/5/09 0:31am] | |
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DesireeNevermind said: You make a good point but Prince isn't giving permission because HE THINKS his image, royalties, mujsic, pocket and ego are being unduly impacted. In a way, I don't blame him. In a way, I don't blame him for being so controlling over his image and his music. Some of the biggest and most influential people in music history who've died over the past few years have died broke. Bo Diddley died broke. James Brown died broke. His family could barely afford to pay for his funeral. Once they were able to bury him, they didn't because they spent weeks fighting over his shit. They had poor James sitting in a room with the A.C. turned all the way up so he wouldn't start to rot because his family were fighting over money that he didn't have!!! As unbelievable as it is. Michael Jackson, The King of Pop died broke. If he wasn't broke, he was 100's of millions of dollars in debt. Also, as the son of a musician. I'm sure Prince saw his own father sign tons of extremely terrible record deals after the other. So, I don't blame him for wanting to make sure he was in control of every aspect of his music and image. He told a story in Rolling Stone about how record companies used to get Little Richard for "A Cadillac and a bucket of chicken". What he was talking about was the way record companies would give black artists like Little Richard shiny new cars instead of giving them the millions of dollars they were owed in royalties. Are Prince's methods a extreme sometimes? Yes, but his music and his image is all he has. It's his legacy. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: DesireeNevermind said: You make a good point but Prince isn't giving permission because HE THINKS his image, royalties, mujsic, pocket and ego are being unduly impacted. In a way, I don't blame him. In a way, I don't blame him for being so controlling over his image and his music. Some of the biggest and most influential people in music history who've died over the past few years have died broke. Bo Diddley died broke. James Brown died broke. His family could barely afford to pay for his funeral. Once they were able to bury him, they didn't because they spent weeks fighting over his shit. They had poor James sitting in a room with the A.C. turned all the way up so he wouldn't start to rot because his family were fighting over money that he didn't have!!! As unbelievable as it is. Michael Jackson, The King of Pop died broke. If he wasn't broke, he was 100's of millions of dollars in debt. Also, as the son of a musician. I'm sure Prince saw his own father sign tons of extremely terrible record deals after the other. So, I don't blame him for wanting to make sure he was in control of every aspect of his music and image. He told a story in Rolling Stone about how record companies used to get Little Richard for "A Cadillac and a bucket of chicken". What he was talking about was the way record companies would give black artists like Little Richard shiny new cars instead of giving them the millions of dollars they were owed in royalties. Are Prince's methods a extreme sometimes? Yes, but his music and his image is all he has. It's his legacy. BUT HE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT LEGACIES OF THE TIME, JILL JONES, ROSIE GAINES. ANDRE CYMONE ETC. He talks about control over his art but he never allowed other artists to have that same level of control for their own career's sake. I think all that's happened to him be it real or imagined with regard to his image, music and profits are of his own doing. So maybe he's just trying to cage the beast that he created. | |
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3232 said: so on my wedding day, walking my bride down the isle while "adore' is being played faintly in the background of my wedding video, if i post it on a site, the Purple one will be affected negatively by this? I am cracking up...is this for real? WTF? PRINCE=GOD No, Prince won't be affected negatively by it. But if you post that video with the song on it. Prince finds out about it, asks you to take it down, and you refuse. He has every right to seek legal action because of copywrite laws. Is it a particularly moral thing to do? No, but it's within his rights. If you posted the video with that song on Youtube. You would be no different than an independant filmakers who puts a song in his movie without permission. The songwriter and publishing owner's first instinct wouldn't be to sue you. They'd ask you to take it down first. If you refuse, then you face a lawsuit. It's the same as a rapper who uses a sample of a song and doesn't get it cleared. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: DesireeNevermind said: You make a good point but Prince isn't giving permission because HE THINKS his image, royalties, mujsic, pocket and ego are being unduly impacted. In a way, I don't blame him. In a way, I don't blame him for being so controlling over his image and his music. Some of the biggest and most influential people in music history who've died over the past few years have died broke. Bo Diddley died broke. James Brown died broke. His family could barely afford to pay for his funeral. Once they were able to bury him, they didn't because they spent weeks fighting over his shit. They had poor James sitting in a room with the A.C. turned all the way up so he wouldn't start to rot because his family were fighting over money that he didn't have!!! As unbelievable as it is. Michael Jackson, The King of Pop died broke. If he wasn't broke, he was 100's of millions of dollars in debt. Also, as the son of a musician. I'm sure Prince saw his own father sign tons of extremely terrible record deals after the other. So, I don't blame him for wanting to make sure he was in control of every aspect of his music and image. He told a story in Rolling Stone about how record companies used to get Little Richard for "A Cadillac and a bucket of chicken". What he was talking about was the way record companies would give black artists like Little Richard shiny new cars instead of giving them the millions of dollars they were owed in royalties. Are Prince's methods a extreme sometimes? Yes, but his music and his image is all he has. It's his legacy. And no dancing toddler gonna have any negative impact on his legacy...it can only make him more popular...whatever these so called sites post of him, can do him no harm, he will spend so much money chasing these site, thats where he WILL lose out ...he's not the only one with a legacy to protect...but he's the only one who stoops as low as attacking a toddler taking his 1st few dance steps to music of his...Prince should be flattered.He takes himself too damn seriously. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: BUT HE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT LEGACIES OF THE TIME, JILL JONES, ROSIE GAINES. ANDRE CYMONE ETC. He talks about control over his art but he never allowed other artists to have that same level of control for their own career's sake. I think all that's happened to him be it real or imagined with regard to his image, music and profits are of his own doing. So maybe he's just trying to cage the beast that he created. Since he wrote the songs that the people you list perform. He has every right to control if those songs can be seen on Youtube or not. So because he wrote stuff like "777-9311", "Mia Bocca", and "The Dance Electric". He has say on if those songs can go on sites like that. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: DesireeNevermind said: BUT HE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT LEGACIES OF THE TIME, JILL JONES, ROSIE GAINES. ANDRE CYMONE ETC. He talks about control over his art but he never allowed other artists to have that same level of control for their own career's sake. I think all that's happened to him be it real or imagined with regard to his image, music and profits are of his own doing. So maybe he's just trying to cage the beast that he created. Since he wrote the songs that the people you list perform. He has every right to control if those songs can be seen on Youtube or not. So because he wrote stuff like "777-9311", "Mia Bocca", and "The Dance Electric". He has say on if those songs can go on sites like that. What about the song "creep" he performed at cochellea? not his! but e tried to have a say in the whole youtube thing..now isnt that double standard? he wrote for the Time, Jill ect..so he can claim over them.."creep " is NOT his...why would/should he even consider going after it being posted? Oh, yeah, he is Prince, he rules MUSIC ! all music! HE decides...he can cover,but not be covered.Legacy my ass! [Edited 7/5/09 1:09am] | |
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Chick got it right when he called Prince a little prick | |
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Paris9748430 said: DesireeNevermind said: BUT HE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT LEGACIES OF THE TIME, JILL JONES, ROSIE GAINES. ANDRE CYMONE ETC. He talks about control over his art but he never allowed other artists to have that same level of control for their own career's sake. I think all that's happened to him be it real or imagined with regard to his image, music and profits are of his own doing. So maybe he's just trying to cage the beast that he created. Since he wrote the songs that the people you list perform. He has every right to control if those songs can be seen on Youtube or not. So because he wrote stuff like "777-9311", "Mia Bocca", and "The Dance Electric". He has say on if those songs can go on sites like that. no, im talking about his interference overall in their success. his lack of promotion of these artists, the way he claimed warner's did him. him not sharing profits for earlier songs contributed by andre, his shelving songs written by JJ and rosie and morris. there is this widespread misconception that Prince was the only talent in these artist careers and they were merely puppets. that is far from truth. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I think Prince's legacy will be impacted by how he treated other artists under his wing and keeping his vidz off youtube and imeem will not help him any. | |
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3232 said: And no dancing toddler gonna have any negative impact on his legacy...it can only make him more popular...whatever these so called sites post of him, can do him no harm, he will spend so much money chasing these site, thats where he WILL lose out ...he's not the only one with a legacy to protect...but he's the only one who stoops as low as attacking a toddler taking his 1st few dance steps to music of his...Prince should be flattered.He takes himself too damn seriously. An artist has every right to control how his or her music is heard and seen. As far as I know, he hasn't sued anyone. That's how misinformation gets out there. As far as I know, his label and lawyers sent the toddler's mother a Cease and Desist letter asking her to remove the video because it violated copywrite laws. The woman refuses, so Youtube removes the video to avoid a lawsuit. The mother gets angry, sues Prince, his label, and goes to the media. Which is of course within her rights. I just think there's been a whole lot of false information of both sides of this issue. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. If Prince allows his music on Youtube, fine. If he doesn't, it's no big deal. Other artists have had videos removed from Youtube and have sound muted. I have no idea why Prince has become the poster boy for this issue. People read attention grabbing headlines like "Prince sues toddler" and think he's the only artist who does this. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Paris9748430 said: Since he wrote the songs that the people you list perform. He has every right to control if those songs can be seen on Youtube or not. So because he wrote stuff like "777-9311", "Mia Bocca", and "The Dance Electric". He has say on if those songs can go on sites like that. no, im talking about his interference overall in their success. his lack of promotion of these artists, the way he claimed warner's did him. him not sharing profits for earlier songs contributed by andre, his shelving songs written by JJ and rosie and morris. there is this widespread misconception that Prince was the only talent in these artist careers and they were merely puppets. that is far from truth. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I think Prince's legacy will be impacted by how he treated other artists under his wing and keeping his vidz off youtube and imeem will not help him any. God forbid, if/when Prince passes on,,,brace yourselves to hear the nasty that WILL come to light... | |
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3232 said: DesireeNevermind said: no, im talking about his interference overall in their success. his lack of promotion of these artists, the way he claimed warner's did him. him not sharing profits for earlier songs contributed by andre, his shelving songs written by JJ and rosie and morris. there is this widespread misconception that Prince was the only talent in these artist careers and they were merely puppets. that is far from truth. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I think Prince's legacy will be impacted by how he treated other artists under his wing and keeping his vidz off youtube and imeem will not help him any. God forbid, if/when Prince passes on,,,brace yourselves to hear the nasty that WILL come to light... and i assure you it will not be theleast bit pretty. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: no, im talking about his interference overall in their success. his lack of promotion of these artists, the way he claimed warner's did him. him not sharing profits for earlier songs contributed by andre, his shelving songs written by JJ and rosie and morris. there is this widespread misconception that Prince was the only talent in these artist careers and they were merely puppets. that is far from truth. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I think Prince's legacy will be impacted by how he treated other artists under his wing and keeping his vidz off youtube and imeem will not help him any. Stuff like this won't affect his legacy one bit. People here talk about how he's treated artists under his wing, but if he called them to work with him again most of them would jump at the chance. Lisa and Wendy have had plenty of success without Prince, but every single time Prince calls them to work with him. They're right there. We all know how Prince treated Wendy and Lisa, but they always answer their phone when he calls. If he wanted a full-blown Revolution Reunion, they'd drop everything they're doing and say yes. Sonny and Michael B. have worked with him on and off for almost 20 years. Shelia E. probably knows how Prince is better than anyone, and they're practically joined at the hip. Hell, Carmen freakin' Electra says that if Prince wanted to work with her again, she'd jump at the chance. So yes, for every Jill Jones, Jesse Johnson, and Andre Cymone who don't like working with him. There are more ex band members, protegees, etc who would work with him again in a heartbeat. This youtube, imeem shit doesn't matter one bit as far as Prince's legacy goes. He'll be remembered as being one of the 1st mainstream artists to embrace the internet. Not for refusing to let his videos be played on Youtube so some 15 year old kid can watch them, and then NOT buy any of his albums afterward!!! JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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I'm on the site now. Needed my fix of "motherless child" live...It is definitely a love hate thing with Prince sometimes. I would happily buy it all if he would let me lol! | |
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Paris9748430 said: He'll be remembered as being one of the 1st mainstream artists to embarass the internet. | |
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Pochacco said: Paris9748430 said: He'll be remembered as being one of the 1st mainstream artists to embarass the internet. yeah that's more like it. Prince will be remembered but not in the way that most fans will expect. Just everybody wait. | |
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Pochacco said: Paris9748430 said: He'll be remembered as being one of the 1st mainstream artists to embarass the internet. Right, because he won't allow some snot nosed kid to dance crappily to one of his songs. People will forget all about Purple Rain, Kiss, and When Doves Cry because he wouldn't let folks see some stupid toddler dancing!!!  [Edited 7/5/09 1:36am] JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Pochacco said: yeah that's more like it. Prince will be remembered but not in the way that most fans will expect. Just everybody wait. Remember after Jmes Brown passed...the remaining band members would tell theire side of the "James Brown story" ego, the money issues...I can just imagine the "Prince story" deep ,dirty little well kept secrets...major money conflicts.If one search realy deep on the web you can already find snippets of rare interview with people who worked with him or came in contact with him, they all have something in common regarding money descrepancies. | |
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3232 said: DesireeNevermind said: yeah that's more like it. Prince will be remembered but not in the way that most fans will expect. Just everybody wait. Remember after Jmes Brown passed...the remaining band members would tell theire side of the "James Brown story" ego, the money issues...I can just imagine the "Prince story" deep ,dirty little well kept secrets...major money conflicts.If one search realy deep on the web you can already find snippets of rare interview with people who worked with him or came in contact with him, they all have something in common regarding money descrepancies. HE IS WELL KNOWN FOR NOT PAYING PEOPLE PROPERLY. HE ALSO LIKES TO LOCK PEOPLE INTO CONTRACTS THAT BENEFIT HIM.  | |
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metallicjigolo said: I have a feeling that all that content will end up on Lotusflow3r soon. Which is a good thing. We won't have to go lookin all over the place for it. Take a chill pill y don't you?!? Life is good.
 Ummm...it probably won't. Not all of it anyways, and what Prince deems worthy for consumption by the unwashed masses probably won't be released in as good of quality as it was available before. Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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3232 said: DesireeNevermind said: yeah that's more like it. Prince will be remembered but not in the way that most fans will expect. Just everybody wait. Remember after Jmes Brown passed...the remaining band members would tell theire side of the "James Brown story" ego, the money issues...I can just imagine the "Prince story" deep ,dirty little well kept secrets...major money conflicts.If one search realy deep on the web you can already find snippets of rare interview with people who worked with him or came in contact with him, they all have something in common regarding money descrepancies. Isn't that what happens when everybody who's famous dies? You've either got people coming out the woodwork. People who were supposed be "friends" talking about what an awful person he was. Or you'll get people who spent talked shit about a person every chance they got when they were alive. A soon as that person dies, folks will come out of nowhere crying their eyes out. Talking about how much they loved the person who died and how much they'll miss them!!! JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Pochacco said: Paris9748430 said: He'll be remembered as being one of the 1st mainstream artists to embarass the internet. And embarass his fans...i am a fan of a well diverse selection of musicians out there...but Prince is the ONLY one that causes some form of embarassment...comes in cycles/seasons...makes me pause and do a self check,like "why the fuck do I follow this circus since 1982?" well he & DMX. [Edited 7/5/09 1:52am] | |
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3232 said: Pochacco said: And embarass his fans...i am a fan of a well diverse selection of musicians out there...but Prince is the ONLY one that causes some form of embarassment...comes in cycles/seasons...makes me pause and do a self check,like "why the fuck do I follow this circus since 1982?" well he & DMX. [Edited 7/5/09 1:52am] Prince is FAR from being the only artist to embarrass his fans!!! Come on people, get a grip. There's Britney Spears Metallica George Michael Hell, if Michael Jackson himself didn't make you a little embarrassed to be a fan. I KNOW his obsessed fans made you embarrassed to be one!!! You know, the ones that started offing themselves once news of his passing broke!!! Get outta here with this "Woe is me" disgruntled Prince fan B.S.!!! JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: 3232 said: And embarass his fans...i am a fan of a well diverse selection of musicians out there...but Prince is the ONLY one that causes some form of embarassment...comes in cycles/seasons...makes me pause and do a self check,like "why the fuck do I follow this circus since 1982?" well he & DMX. [Edited 7/5/09 1:52am] Prince is FAR from being the only artist to embarrass his fans!!! Come on people, get a grip. There's Britney Spears Metallica George Michael Hell, if Michael Jackson himself didn't make you a little embarrassed to be a fan. I KNOW his obsessed fans made you embarrassed to be one!!! You know, the ones that started offing themselves once news of his passing broke!!! Get outta here with this "Woe is me" disgruntled Prince fan B.S.!!! When the others may have a moment when they go haywire...Prince, on the other hand, is predictable..seasonal (at times a whole era, SLAVE)...and i can sense that one of them season is real close...hahaha!. | |
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3232 said: Paris9748430 said: Prince is FAR from being the only artist to embarrass his fans!!! Come on people, get a grip. There's Britney Spears Metallica George Michael Hell, if Michael Jackson himself didn't make you a little embarrassed to be a fan. I KNOW his obsessed fans made you embarrassed to be one!!! You know, the ones that started offing themselves once news of his passing broke!!! Get outta here with this "Woe is me" disgruntled Prince fan B.S.!!! When the others may have a moment when they go haywire...Prince, on the other hand, is predictable..seasonal (at times a whole era, SLAVE)...and i can sense that one of them season is real close...hahaha!. Yeah...it's like he PMS's. When Prince goes on the rag, we all pay  Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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zoetruluv said: it was also the dumbasses who mentioned it on here.
did you think he wouldnt read it too? Oh I think a lot of that was deliberate. Pathetic attempts to get purple brownie points, if you will. That whole "he's only doing it because he wants to put his stuff on lotusflow3r" is weak at best...delusional to say the least. I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Shoulda been saving that stuff, we just moved,we are not GONE. [Edited 7/5/09 6:38am] | |
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